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Topic : 09/21 Cult Confrontations

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Created on : Friday, September 15, 2006, 12:03:46 pm
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Imagine growing up in a free society, but being forced to live in isolation without money, TV, cars, or contact with your family. That’s what Dr. Phil’s guests say happened to them in a religious sect known as the Aggressive Christianity Mission Training Corps. Maura brought her daughter, Rebekah, with her to the sect when Rebekah was 12. The mother and daughter say members of the cult abuse children and belittle adults who question authority. How can they move on with their lives? Then, Paula says her daughter, Stacy, cut her off when she joined the Aggressive Christianity Mission Training Corps. Paula hasn’t seen Stacy in 10 years, and maintains that her daughter was brainwashed and emotionally kidnapped. Find out what happens when Dr. Phil sends Paula to the compound with a private investigator to find Stacy. Then, Fawn B. and her friend, Fawn H., had recently escaped a polygamist cult and were having trouble adjusting to their new life. Fawn B. has been excelling in school, but the other Fawn dropped out, ran away and has experimented with sex, drugs and alcohol. Can the troubled teen turn her life around? Join the discussion.

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September 21, 2006, 11:53 pm CDT

when you have exposed these religious cults to be no more than a group of drug dealers dr phil

i dont know why the goverment dosent get behind you and go in and shut them down,

dr phil all they are doing is making sure that there will always be a demand for drugs on the streets, am i the only person that sees this? time and time again dr phil you have proven this with your cameras rolling, and it seems to be ok with all goverment agencies for them to opperate as long as they have alot of property, makes you wonder whos getting a pay off to keep law enforcement out!!!! dr phil what would happen if a large group of your viewers were to throw in with you and just go in with force if thats what it takes and bring those children out and get them back home where they belong? you have all my info on how to contact me if you ever want to put a group togather, ill gladely go, in my eyes it would not be wrong they cant hook children on drugs and call it in the name of god to me, i know better,and i want to let you know im with you 100% you need not put your self in harms way, you are needed to tell america what happens, you are the only man i know that isnt afraid to tell it like it is,

 
September 22, 2006, 12:04 am CDT

dr phil cant do it alone!!!!!

we all need to do much more than just sit behind our coputer screens and just talk about this problem, it relly is every ones problem, not just the parents whos children are lost to them, do we americans just sit and watch and allow these people to just go out and take our children and sell them for sex ? or do we ban togather and go out and do something about this?
 
September 22, 2006, 4:12 am CDT

Thank you!

Quote From: tkrevels

 There is so much more to this than you understand.  I know it is unthinkable, and it churns my stomach as well.  What you don't understand about this is that had she not done it the Greens probably would have, only it would have been much much worse.  Also the people under the Greens influence can't think for themselves.  they are sleep deprived, starved and worked non stop, when you haven't had food or sleep for 30 days your mind breaks down and you can't think properly, Then you are pumped full of their lies and you can't do anything with out permission, you are miles from anyone that could help you. There are babies that are born there, with no record of their birth. I don't know that this happened but from my personal knowledge of the Greens I would not be surprised if they threatened to kill the baby if she didn't obey them. It wasn't for her protection she did this but more likley out of fear for worse punishment from the Greens toward her baby.  They have control over these people that goes even beyond that of an abusive husband. There is so so much more to this cult than Dr. Phil was able to get into, You might would understand better if he was able to show more.  That was my only disapointment about the show is that the full story could not be heard in the time allotted.  I do hope that Dr. Phil does not back down, we have been praying for years for someone to draw attention to what is going on there, and are very thankful that he took notice.  Please don't back down Dr. Phil!!!!!!!

You are such a compassionate man! Thank you for understanding what families go through in situations like this.  The angry posters just don't "get it", do they?  I think it would beneficial to describe the very things you mentioned about HOW the mind control process is done, what horrible things these people are subjected to, and threatened with.  Those children are defenseless, yes, but the adults have no free will whatsoever, except to try, as you said, prevent worse from happening. 

 

Those who don't understand are going to "bash" the things they see no rhyme or reason to. That's not  fair.  If they walked a mile in the shoes of anyone who has been in a cult or abusive relationship, then they wouldn't be so quick to judge!

 

Thank you, and God Bless you for helping out the families of this group, you are a gift from God yourself!  As Dr.Phil said at the end of the show, he is NOT giving up.  Let's just all let the process work, and pray that all families that have loved ones in this cult, or others....can be free. We don't want another generation being raised under such damaging control.

 

 

 
September 22, 2006, 6:19 am CDT

Cult expert information

Quote From: merobin2

I would like to know more information on this Rick Ross.  Please post a web site that one might learn from?

Thank you

www.rickross.com has the database

 

http://forum.rickross.com  is the cult survivor's forum

 
September 22, 2006, 6:23 am CDT

Defining a cult

Religion has been maligned as cult-like in several posts on this board.  There is a big difference between religious teaching to guide one in their spiritual and religious life, and the thought reform, the intent of which is to be promote and make profit for a leader or group of leaders.   Any group can become cult-like, depending on the leader and that person's intent. 

 

http://www.rickross.com/faq.html

 
September 22, 2006, 9:09 am CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Quote From: mrszorn

I am thoroughly confused about cults, polygamy, religion sects, etc. I understand some things about LDS, and know a few things about the FLDS. I also understand that the LDS will excommunicate anyone in its church who believes or practices in polygamy. But isn't the taking of multiple wives still a part of  the Mormom Doctrine and Covenants. Specifically that they need a minimum of  wives to enter heaven? Why would they excommunicate a member of their church if it's part of their scriptures from God? 

 

PS. I'm not trying to start a debate about the Mormon religion, but just trying to clear up my own confusion about their beliefs. Does anyone know?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints most certainly DO NOT practice polygamy, as you most correctly stated, and yes, those who do will be excommunicated becaue it is absolutely wrong today. Polygamny *was* practiced in the 1800's upon God's commandment (revelation recieved through the prophet)., and is therefore mentioned in the Doctrine and Covenants. But it was discontinued shortly thereafter, and today, it is made very clear that polygamy is against the belief of the LDS church.

 

There is not a "minimum number of wives" needed to enter heaven, simple and plain. One spouse is all that is necessary and especially to have more than one spouse at the same time is frowned upon.

 

please understand that Warren Jeffs and the FLDS Church (who has now changed their name to the Church of Christ or something like that) ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT related to the LDS church. the FLDS church branched off when polygamy was discontinued, and have since changed many of their practices and beliefs. the LDS church definitely does not practice nor advocate these beliefs and the two religions are very different. the LDS church does not support the FLDS church. they are totally seperate.

 
September 22, 2006, 9:14 am CDT

Cult

 My heart breaks for the people who are caught up in a cult. Listening to that women made me sick. I am a Christian and go to a non-denominational church. This women is not for God.

My prayers are with Stacey's mom. Don't give up Mom!!!


 
September 22, 2006, 9:21 am CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Quote From: douglasn

  I was raised in the Catholic Church. Having read the Bible later on in my adult life it made sense to believe that I should be going to a church of another denomination, unamed, but an organised religion. Things started off great....all the love and so forth. But later on things went downhill as I was to learn that a general segregation between married and single people existed and when two singles married they soon after abandonned the single scene and people like myself who were now a "threat" to their marraige. Segregation of genders to avoid "sexual temptation". Authorities were fanatical with this latter one. TVs and outside contact was allowed but unless the individuals were as like them I risked being ridiculed for talking with them and having them for friends. Alcohol consumption was a nay nay thus so was going into a bar for a 7UP! But it was OK to go to a concert of a certain Opera/Classical singer even though she was anything but pro life which is contrary to their strong pro life beliefs. The teachings of the Bible were/are frot with contradictions and desiquilibrium from the topic of tithing to respect and appreciation of how the body.......fearfully and wonderfully made........functions.  In the end I couldn't  make simple decisions because they, though essentiel, couldn't be performed without violation of Biblical teachings. In the last few years I often wanted out but was afraid because I'd lose my salvation, become demonised, and have some misfortune come upon me as a punishment from God, Himself! I still wrestle with the last one.  I have since come to realise that  these Christians are the biggest enemies of the Bible.......not "the world".

   I have felt freedom for the first time in my life having left this religion. Nonetheless, I have no identity as a person as that was all tied up in a religion that I had to quit for the sake of my mental health. Thus ,there are times when I want to throw the rest of my life down the toilet.........because to be loved means allowing the person who is loving me to control me excessively.  Because giving up freedom and personal control of my life is the price I must pay to be loved. It makes being ridiculed seem so inviting.......which it is at times!   

               

Wow. I find it incredible that these groups have the ability to mind program others. I wish I could understand how someone feels so low that they would find "love" in such a hateful surrounding. "Love" is not conditional. I don't care what "religion" you belong to. God loves everyone, regardless of how imperfect they may be.

 

As a parent, do you love your children unconditionally? I know I do. Guess what: God is the same. If your child kept being imperfect throughout his or her life, would you love them any less? (I didn't think so.) If we humans could only grasp that concept. How can any of us believe it when "man" tells us we will "lose our salvation" if we don't do what the  group wants us to do?

 

Self worth comes from within. Not from a group of people calling themselves a religion. Love comes from within. Love comes from God.  Love does not come with restrictions or control. Love yourself for who you are and tell these religious groups to go to hell.

 
September 22, 2006, 9:25 am CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Quote From: douglasn

  I was raised in the Catholic Church. Having read the Bible later on in my adult life it made sense to believe that I should be going to a church of another denomination, unamed, but an organised religion. Things started off great....all the love and so forth. But later on things went downhill as I was to learn that a general segregation between married and single people existed and when two singles married they soon after abandonned the single scene and people like myself who were now a "threat" to their marraige. Segregation of genders to avoid "sexual temptation". Authorities were fanatical with this latter one. TVs and outside contact was allowed but unless the individuals were as like them I risked being ridiculed for talking with them and having them for friends. Alcohol consumption was a nay nay thus so was going into a bar for a 7UP! But it was OK to go to a concert of a certain Opera/Classical singer even though she was anything but pro life which is contrary to their strong pro life beliefs. The teachings of the Bible were/are frot with contradictions and desiquilibrium from the topic of tithing to respect and appreciation of how the body.......fearfully and wonderfully made........functions.  In the end I couldn't  make simple decisions because they, though essentiel, couldn't be performed without violation of Biblical teachings. In the last few years I often wanted out but was afraid because I'd lose my salvation, become demonised, and have some misfortune come upon me as a punishment from God, Himself! I still wrestle with the last one.  I have since come to realise that  these Christians are the biggest enemies of the Bible.......not "the world".

   I have felt freedom for the first time in my life having left this religion. Nonetheless, I have no identity as a person as that was all tied up in a religion that I had to quit for the sake of my mental health. Thus ,there are times when I want to throw the rest of my life down the toilet.........because to be loved means allowing the person who is loving me to control me excessively.  Because giving up freedom and personal control of my life is the price I must pay to be loved. It makes being ridiculed seem so inviting.......which it is at times!   

               

 Thank you for sharing your story. I am so sorry you had to go through this. This church you went to was not of God. You are valued and you are loved, please remember that.  I will pray that you will know the truth and that you will be able to move on. To be loved is an amazing gift. It does not mean the person has any right to control you. Seriously, my heart breaks for you. You are an amazing women and you can and will be okay. Everything they told you was a pack of lies. God does not condone that nor want that for you. You are his beautiful daughter and he loves you! Being a christian is not easy and there are ALOT of churches out there that are complete frauds. They suck you in and break you down. Please do not allow this experience to discredit all christians. There are ALOT of good christians out there. I will pray for you girl!

I commend you for having the courage to leave that cult, because that is exactly what they are.
 
September 22, 2006, 9:29 am CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Quote From: thirdauer

I was so sad and angry when I watch the premeditated abuse of young childern and adoslents.  Along with misguided adults.  Are people so desperate for people to find security, love and so little self worth?  Is this why they go to places where they accept when people tell them what to do and when to do it ?  These are all questions that I ask when I watch this show -  and I wonder what my Lord is saying as he allows this to continue?  I guess that I am so lucky that I have a faith that teaches me that I am a loved child of God and that he loves me no matter what.  My family has the same problems that alot of families, but our love of God is our foundation and even with the mistakes we make these are all forgiven through the love of God.   
 AMEN! I really loved what you said and it is true. God does not punish, hate or condone any of that behavior. That is all the work of the enemy. These cults use God's word to suck you in and that is not what God is about. Like you said, Our God is a loving, forgiving God. He wants peace and hapiness for us all.
 
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