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Imagine growing up in a free society, but being forced to live in isolation without money, TV, cars, or contact with your family. That’s what Dr. Phil’s guests say happened to them in a religious sect known as the Aggressive Christianity Mission Training Corps. Maura brought her daughter, Rebekah, with her to the sect when Rebekah was 12. The mother and daughter say members of the cult abuse children and belittle adults who question authority. How can they move on with their lives? Then, Paula says her daughter, Stacy, cut her off when she joined the Aggressive Christianity Mission Training Corps. Paula hasn’t seen Stacy in 10 years, and maintains that her daughter was brainwashed and emotionally kidnapped. Find out what happens when Dr. Phil sends Paula to the compound with a private investigator to find Stacy. Then, Fawn B. and her friend, Fawn H., had recently escaped a polygamist cult and were having trouble adjusting to their new life. Fawn B. has been excelling in school, but the other Fawn dropped out, ran away and has experimented with sex, drugs and alcohol. Can the troubled teen turn her life around? Join the discussion.

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September 17, 2006, 12:03 pm CDT

cult confrontations

 

Dear Dr.Phil;

 

I too am a survivor of a cult. and it is not easy getting away from them. its taking me 38 yrs of my life ,  I am 38 yrs old,  I was kidnapped after I was born. the cult members gave me something that made my parents and Doctor beleive i was dead, untill  I turned up in a Billings Hospital with the leg band still my ankle , it has been a long journey and i wish this on no one. I have had to run away myself, had all my children takin away, and to learn who took them was the very people involved in the cult, these people are Socail workers, doctors, professional , to housewives, to get enough garbage on this group. finally it is being investigated by the Montana FBI. there is still along ways to go I have learned my true Identity. I know I can not be the only one with this problem if you would like to hear more of my story I would like to share it however I am not sure how much I can share at the moment. I have had death threats. constant harrassment from the members involved. at the moment Iam in my apartment as it is the safest place for me.  The CULT in Montana have never been procucuded for any of their crimes.

crimes range from  Murder to child porn and the list goes on

 

Billyjo   from  Montana

 
September 17, 2006, 2:46 pm CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Dear dr Phil;

 My fiancee became unknowingly involved in a church that was really a cult(Satanic). As a result he died. I cannot say too much online. I know in my heart that they were directly responsible for his death. After 11 years, this is still an unknown mystery. I would like to get to the bottom of it. Unfortunately, some local authorities were involved and their was a big coverup. Can you help me?

Sincerely,

 

Lynn

 

Philippians 4:13

 
September 17, 2006, 8:22 pm CDT

You are a blessed woman

Quote From: lynno_777

Dear dr Phil;

 My fiancee became unknowingly involved in a church that was really a cult(Satanic). As a result he died. I cannot say too much online. I know in my heart that they were directly responsible for his death. After 11 years, this is still an unknown mystery. I would like to get to the bottom of it. Unfortunately, some local authorities were involved and their was a big coverup. Can you help me?

Sincerely,

 

Lynn

 

Philippians 4:13

Lynn,
I was so glad to see at the end of your message you had the reference of Phillippians 4:13.  Just keep remembering you CAN do ALL things through Christ who stregnthens you.  You are in my prayers.

 1 Corinthians 10:13
 
September 18, 2006, 3:45 pm CDT

I'm familiar with this group

Dr. Phil,

I am well aquainted with the group calling themselves aggressive christianity missions training corpe. I am a pastor and while pastoring a church in New Mexico I worked to get a few people out of there. Three are currently out but only one is moving on with his life. The extent of the emotional and mental damage done by this group is horrific and I applaud you for tackling such a difficult case. I have sat across the table with Jim  although Debra refuses to aknowledge me so I understand the boldness it took for you to approach them. I never have watched your show alot as many other talk shows take easy cases to make themselves look good but you have proven that is not the case with your show, thus gaining my respect. I will be watching alot more often now, keep up the good work.

 

 

Rev. Doug Revels

 

 
September 21, 2006, 7:37 am CDT

well im glad to hear you say you wont go away dr phil

and the message these cults need to hear is thers no whear to run and no whear to hide,
 
September 21, 2006, 8:00 am CDT

why do young people think they need a drug abusing cult to find god

god needs no one to take drugs to find him, he isnt lost, we are
 
September 21, 2006, 11:14 am CDT

DAUGHTER IN CULT RELATIONSHIP, TOO! PLZ HELP!

I have written to Dr Phil 3 times concerning my daughter's involvement in a one-on-one cult relationship but never received any kind of response. I know he is a very busy man as I am sure all of the staff is.  My daughter is 28 and has been under this man's (age 40) spell for 10 years. In the beginning we thought she was going thru a phase and it would pass. She was 18 at the time, just out of HS and had some college.  As the years went on, she began to withdraw more and more.  Her behavior has escalated to a level that frightens us but we understand she doesn't really understand her abnormal behavior. We have been fortunate to see her once or twice a year in the past but that has stopped. We KNOW this guy controls her every move and feel strongly she has been supporting him financially.  After doing some research we found a name to associate with what my daughter was into..New Age, Eastern Religion, UFOs, Buddhism, fairies, anti-government, anti-religion, reincarnation, chanting, auras and the list goes on.  When she lived in Ashland OR, she took me to one of her "meditation/yoga groups" to meet Mafu (aka Penny Torres-Rubine) who supposedly was the 35,000 yr old Channeler.  Currently, our daughter lives in a National Forest off a dirt road, which is off another dirt road that is off a main road. We have no communication with her at all.  The most recent was May 2006 at which time she showed us just how far gone she was!  I prefer not to get into all of it but we shared this with the "cult experts" and they felt like there may be some sexual abuse going on.  We have contacted Private Investigators, 2 to be exact, so called "cult experts" but no help. I feel like my daughter died years about 9 years ago and I am still grieving her loss.  I can relate to those parents who have lost their children but their bodies have not been found.  There's no closure.  The person we saw in May was not our daughter!!  She was exhibiting strange behavior that raised a lot of red flags but because she was of legla age, we felt like she knew what she was doing, we didn't want to interfere because she was an adult. My husband and I are in our mid 50's and thought our lives would mellow out by now.  Where we  live now most people know zero about cults and their activities.  I called around trying to find a psychologist, psychiatrist..anyone who might be of some help to us who could explain to us what was happening.  Nothing. From reading what we could, we learned the term "brainwashed" is no longer used...it's now "thought reformed" and rescues aren't made in the middle of the night anymore...  If ANYONE has any info as to how we can bring our only daughter back to us...her family PLEASE tell me.  We don't have the $3000-$5000 that it would take to hire a Private Investigator to take pictures and watch her.  They charge about $150 an hour which doesn't even include expenses, mileage or anything.  Last known address we had for her was Boulder, CO in Roosevelt National Forest. A couple of weeks ago she contacted her grandmother and said she had moved to Las Vegas because she wasn't making enough money at the restaurant where she just started working in May 2006.  We feel HE had her make that call. According to HIS adopted parents, he has not worked in years and NEVER paid taxes and they even hired a detective to find him without any success.  My daughter lives HIS life not her own.  We've been told HE probably has a narcissitic personality.  My daughter did not even go to her grandfather's funeral when he died a few years ago. The "experts" say she probably did not have permission to go.  We have also been told by the "experts" that what cult leaders normally do is erase childhood memories and make parents out to be the villains. which we found out later was the reason why our daughter kept making reference to her childhood and it being bad!!  We are many miles away from where our daughter lives and yes we could drive there but then what? The "experts" say cult intervention is very costly and we don't know, at this point, what to do, who to turn to, where to go? I am told I need to read this book and that book to educate myself, which I have but that's not bringing our only daughter home. She is missing the opportunity to know who her brothers are and vice versa.  Our family is so incomplete without her in it.  I wake up at all hours of the night with her on my mind.  I feel helpless to do anything more because I don't know WHAT to do?  Can ANYONE help by providing contacts with people who are familiar with this? This happens to other people.......we can't believe WE are the "other" people!! Please help if you can! Thanks so much for any guidance you can share.
 
September 21, 2006, 12:30 pm CDT

09/21 Cult Confrontations

Quote From: cthelite

I have written to Dr Phil 3 times concerning my daughter's involvement in a one-on-one cult relationship but never received any kind of response. I know he is a very busy man as I am sure all of the staff is.  My daughter is 28 and has been under this man's (age 40) spell for 10 years. In the beginning we thought she was going thru a phase and it would pass. She was 18 at the time, just out of HS and had some college.  As the years went on, she began to withdraw more and more.  Her behavior has escalated to a level that frightens us but we understand she doesn't really understand her abnormal behavior. We have been fortunate to see her once or twice a year in the past but that has stopped. We KNOW this guy controls her every move and feel strongly she has been supporting him financially.  After doing some research we found a name to associate with what my daughter was into..New Age, Eastern Religion, UFOs, Buddhism, fairies, anti-government, anti-religion, reincarnation, chanting, auras and the list goes on.  When she lived in Ashland OR, she took me to one of her "meditation/yoga groups" to meet Mafu (aka Penny Torres-Rubine) who supposedly was the 35,000 yr old Channeler.  Currently, our daughter lives in a National Forest off a dirt road, which is off another dirt road that is off a main road. We have no communication with her at all.  The most recent was May 2006 at which time she showed us just how far gone she was!  I prefer not to get into all of it but we shared this with the "cult experts" and they felt like there may be some sexual abuse going on.  We have contacted Private Investigators, 2 to be exact, so called "cult experts" but no help. I feel like my daughter died years about 9 years ago and I am still grieving her loss.  I can relate to those parents who have lost their children but their bodies have not been found.  There's no closure.  The person we saw in May was not our daughter!!  She was exhibiting strange behavior that raised a lot of red flags but because she was of legla age, we felt like she knew what she was doing, we didn't want to interfere because she was an adult. My husband and I are in our mid 50's and thought our lives would mellow out by now.  Where we  live now most people know zero about cults and their activities.  I called around trying to find a psychologist, psychiatrist..anyone who might be of some help to us who could explain to us what was happening.  Nothing. From reading what we could, we learned the term "brainwashed" is no longer used...it's now "thought reformed" and rescues aren't made in the middle of the night anymore...  If ANYONE has any info as to how we can bring our only daughter back to us...her family PLEASE tell me.  We don't have the $3000-$5000 that it would take to hire a Private Investigator to take pictures and watch her.  They charge about $150 an hour which doesn't even include expenses, mileage or anything.  Last known address we had for her was Boulder, CO in Roosevelt National Forest. A couple of weeks ago she contacted her grandmother and said she had moved to Las Vegas because she wasn't making enough money at the restaurant where she just started working in May 2006.  We feel HE had her make that call. According to HIS adopted parents, he has not worked in years and NEVER paid taxes and they even hired a detective to find him without any success.  My daughter lives HIS life not her own.  We've been told HE probably has a narcissitic personality.  My daughter did not even go to her grandfather's funeral when he died a few years ago. The "experts" say she probably did not have permission to go.  We have also been told by the "experts" that what cult leaders normally do is erase childhood memories and make parents out to be the villains. which we found out later was the reason why our daughter kept making reference to her childhood and it being bad!!  We are many miles away from where our daughter lives and yes we could drive there but then what? The "experts" say cult intervention is very costly and we don't know, at this point, what to do, who to turn to, where to go? I am told I need to read this book and that book to educate myself, which I have but that's not bringing our only daughter home. She is missing the opportunity to know who her brothers are and vice versa.  Our family is so incomplete without her in it.  I wake up at all hours of the night with her on my mind.  I feel helpless to do anything more because I don't know WHAT to do?  Can ANYONE help by providing contacts with people who are familiar with this? This happens to other people.......we can't believe WE are the "other" people!! Please help if you can! Thanks so much for any guidance you can share.

I'm sorry that you do not have contact with your daughter anymore.

 

I just want to make it clear that if she was in a "New Age" cult, then it is not really New Age.  They may claim to be, but are not really.  Just like on today's show when they were in a Christian cult, but that cult did not teach the true teachings of Christianity. 

 

Again, I am sorry that you have lost contact with your daughter.  I hope that she is doing okay and that someday you will meet again.  And if she really is in a cult, I hope that someone can make her see that, and that there is more in life than that.  Anyone who controls another is wrong.

 

Take care.

 

Elffie

 
September 21, 2006, 12:31 pm CDT

Cults in our Midst

It would be great if Dr. Phil did a show on the more covert methods and groups that employ thought reform, the large group awareness trainings and psychotherapy cults.  More experts on cults, like Rick Ross, would be great to have on the show.   Mr. Ross has a huge database on all these other groups, as well as the more traditional cult groups, like the one on Dr. Phil's show. 
 
September 21, 2006, 1:23 pm CDT

To Both the Fawns

You are BOTH to be commended. 

 

To the Fawn who was awarded the scholarship - you go, girl!  You are managing to see the world and accept that there is sooooooooo much more than what you came out of Colorado City with.  You are a wondeful person and will do great things for yourself no matter what you do!  I am so proud just watching you!

 

To the FAwn who went back to MeadowHaven - you go girl also!!  You are a terrific person who will manage to overcome and find a really neat, fun, exciting, sane world out there.  Everyone in this world - everyone - has something or another to overcome in order to go on to a happy productive life.  It just takes some of us (speaking of myself) a little longer and a little harder try at it.  You can and will do it!  I am so proud of you!

 
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