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Created on : Friday, July 01, 2005, 05:01:52 pm
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Over half of all marriages end in divorce, but that doesn't make it any less painful for those going through it. Discuss your experience here.

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September 15, 2005, 12:20 pm PDT

Dear boafus...

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I have been happily married for 12 years and have three children. We have had our problems but none that we were not able to get past. Two weeks ago my wife told me here feelings have changed for me. My wife told my the problem was that I was always rude to her and I had to drink to be with her. She said this made her feel unwanted and she begain to hate herself. I know i sometimes say rude things and it is not what I say that is rude it is how they are said. I have had this problem for a long time and I do this to everyone. It is not intentional and I don't even mean to do it. I have explained this to her several times, but she says it was because she is not important enough to me for me to stop. I know I was drinking more than I should have and choose to do nothing about it. She did mention it a couple of times , but I became offended that she was accusing me of being an alcoholic. My drinking made her feel like I had to be drunk to be with or around her. This is entirely untrue. I love my wife more than anything and am trying everything I know to do to save our marriage. Also, to complicate things further she told me an ex-mutual friend had showed her some attention that she felt she was not getting from me which made her feel better about herself. Then she told me that from watching the Dr. Phil Show he has said that if you don't like the way something is do something about it and that is what she is doing. I told her I can understand that but I don't feel Dr. Phil meant to stop loving your husband or tear your family apart. The only answer my wife can give me is " I need time" and " I don't know". My wife can't tell me that she loves me but when I ask her she says she does but can't answer why she can not say it. When I ask her about what she means by time she can't answer that one either. Most the time the time she refers to needing to get away from me when she get aggravated talking to me about our problem. My children are aware of the problem and are upset at thier mother for not trying to fix this. They see me trying to win back the love of my life and then watch thier mother be cold and distant. My wife has talked to her sister about this and her sister has told me she doesn't know what is wrong with with wife and doesn't know why she is acting this way. I know this probally doesn't make since because I can't sleep, eat, or think anymore. I feel like I am losing everything that I have and am. If you need any clarifacation on anything please ask. I desperately need advice to fix my marriage. 

Do you feel you have a drinking problem?  How much and how often do you drink?  What if you ARE an alcoholic?  Are you ready to give up drinking?  If you KNOW you were drinking too much, why did you choose to ignore your wife's concerns?   

  

Are you prepared to go to counseling and/or Alcoholics Anonymous to save your marriage?  From where I'm sitting, that's about the only thing that MAY save it and that may not even work. 

  

I think one of two things is happening with your wife.  1) she is not being completely honest with you about her reasons for her unhappiness and by that I mean the level of her hurt regarding your rudeness or 2) she honestly doesn't know how she feels.  People do change and they do grow apart.  If she has grown apart, she can decide to grow back toward you, if she wants to. 

  

If you have been saying rude things and they are hurting your wife or perhaps even devastating her, regardless of your intent, the things you are saying DO HURT and DO take a toll.  Is it possible that you say these rude things when you are drunk?  If so, wouldn't NOT drinking help you to stop being so rude? 

  

My Ex used to say rude things to me (and often more than rude things) and he would excuse it away too.  He would even say he didn't mean it.  But his actions (i.e. his words) told me different.  He DID mean it and it ruined our marriage. 

  

I do not think you should put ANY pressure on your wife to remain or repair the relationship until she has a better handle of what SHE wants out of HER life.  You can not force someone to love you and if you try, you will only create MORE resentment.  You also should not manipulate someone into staying in a realtionship that is potentially harmful to THEM.  It would be selfish of you to ask/require her to work on something that is harming HER.  I mean, how UNCARING is that? 

  

I would suggest that you seek counseling with or without your wife because it takes TWO people to ruin a relationship.  She had her part.  You had yours.  The only part you can do anything about is your part.  If I were you, I would invite her to go with you and perhaps she can gain enough clarity to decide what is best for her and hopefully that will be what is best for BOTH of you and your marriage.  I also suggest that you take a good hard look in the mirror and honestly answer my first question to you. 

  

Take care, Q 

  

 
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September 15, 2005, 12:29 pm PDT

Hi Stephanie...

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My husband threatened to file for divorce tonight after I told him I was sick of his disappering on me and not spending anytime with our child. He then told me quite rudely to get out of his house. It was his chioce that I stayed at home and didn't help contribute money to the family; and all of the sudden this is his house? So should I pack up tomorrow and leave while he's at work or do I wait  to work this out? I am so confused and to make matters worse I'm expecting our second child. Please help me.  

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 STephanie  

Because you have a child and are expecting, you owe to THEM to do EVERYTHING in your power to work out this issue. 

  

I say that fully knowing that you may have an uncommitted partner on her hands.  To me, that's just like saying you have no partner at all. 

  

But you HAVE to try. 

  

SO what I would do if that were my hubby, is find out where he goes when he disappears and more importantly WHY he feels the need to "disappear".  There are reasons for both and some of those reasons may point right back at the kind of partner you are.  The rest of the reasons will lie with him. 

  

Could it be that he feels pressure that you aren't satisfied with the kind of partner he is to you and it's pushing him away? 

  

Could it be that the home environment isn't a soft place to fall for him? 

  

Could it be that your focus is only the children and not him? 

  

Those could be some of the reason he disappear... what might be some others? 

  

I DO understand your frustration and I do think hubby is being fairly self-righteous and possessive when he calls y'all's home HIS.  But it takes TWO to ruin a relationship and you CAN get to the bottom of it. 

  

Counseling will help you do that quicker.   

  

Good luck!  Q 

  

  

 
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September 15, 2005, 2:16 pm PDT

More of the same!

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He means he wants to rekindle a physical relationship with me. He says he doesn't want to pursue the divorce, but he doesn't want to move back home either. He wants changes to be made. By changes, he means I need to change. As he sees all of my faults and none of his. What do I want....? Good question. I know what I don't want. I don't want to be demoted to concubine.

SO what you are saying is....  he wants all his "cake" and none of the responsibility, right?  Well that's exactly why he left, huh?  And how is that going to be good for you? 

  

Is he meeting you in the middle?  

  

Has he taken a hard look at how he has contributed to the demise of the relationship? 

  

Is he willing to be the partner YOU need?  To work at repairing what's broken? 

  

Or does he just want a good, convenient role in the sack??? 

  

Be careful of compromising too much, you will resent your self if you do. 

  

All those questions I asked about him are also directed at you (but you've already asked them of yourself, right?) 

  

It STILL takes TWO to ruin a relationship. 

 
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September 15, 2005, 6:29 pm PDT

Back again with problems...

I am not sure what to do.  I am in the process of getting a divorce, and I am 33 weeks pregnant now.  We parted on bad terms and things were a mess, then we started talking again and for the most part getting along, but that was only because he finally agreed that he needed to go to counseling and said he would do it, especially for his son (unborn) he seemed like he was really going to do this and things were going pretty good, but I should have known better than to believe his lies once again.  Now I have drawn the line, I am not giving him any chances again if he wanted them, he probably won't cause he could care less about me, but if he for some reason tried, I am done with it.  Problem is, if he does not get help, I refuse to give him our child alone, he cannot handle it...he was physically, emotionally/mentally, and verbally abusive and he has so many problems that he needs help for.  I am just scared that he will be able to take our child once he is born and not have to be supervised.  He is no where near getting the help he needs, he thinks it is me and that I have problems, but that is usually what they do, make the sane person feel insane!!  I don't know what to do or how to handle this.  I can't wait to be divorced and done with him, but he is still the father of my child but I wish he weren't, I know that is bad to say, but it is true.  I just wish I could be done with him forever and never see him again.  Does anyone know anything I can do to help get what I want from a custody hearing that we will have once the baby is born?  He is currently claiming he is going to get a lawyer and try to get full custody...he told me it was going to be all or nothing and thats it, so he is saying he will have him full time or nothing at all.  I am not afraid that he will get full custody, I know that will not happen, but I don't want him to have visitation alone, I am afraid for my childs well being and safety.  HELP ME!!!  Any advice would be helpful...thanks
 
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September 15, 2005, 9:46 pm PDT

Love doesnt hurt

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Coping is hard in divorce, but being single could be fun.  Basically you have been single for a year, but apparently you were hoping for a different outcome.  You can't unfortunately make him stay in the marriage if he chooses not to be in it,  and I don't think you would be happy in a loveless marriage.  As for you being Best Friends????  That is really up to you,  I would like to think for the sake of your daughters, that at least a cordial visit would be to their benefit.  He also might want you there to show his "Girlfriend" what he had before he meant her or maybe to make you jealous.  It is really hard to say since I have never meant him.  Do you think he has a motive to you being there? If it was me, I would have him pick up the girls when he is supposed to and get out yourself and do something fun.  Go out with a girlfriend or family.  I would not let him "Show Off" in front of me, if that is the case, just to prove that he could hurt me or use me.  Hope this helps, Inbetween 
if you are married and fighting everyday and he is gone all the time . Get out love doesn't Hurt both sides count. Men who really love women do not hurt them. Controlling men who have not grown up hurt women. The make threats, hit you say rotton thing to you  beat you down .  Figure out what type guy you are with and it will be easy to leave. or spend a life time being hurt. Its your choice. Save yourself by being truthful .with yourself . Hugs Grandmafuz
 
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September 16, 2005, 4:54 am PDT

shelize (SP??)

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I am not sure what to do.  I am in the process of getting a divorce, and I am 33 weeks pregnant now.  We parted on bad terms and things were a mess, then we started talking again and for the most part getting along, but that was only because he finally agreed that he needed to go to counseling and said he would do it, especially for his son (unborn) he seemed like he was really going to do this and things were going pretty good, but I should have known better than to believe his lies once again.  Now I have drawn the line, I am not giving him any chances again if he wanted them, he probably won't cause he could care less about me, but if he for some reason tried, I am done with it.  Problem is, if he does not get help, I refuse to give him our child alone, he cannot handle it...he was physically, emotionally/mentally, and verbally abusive and he has so many problems that he needs help for.  I am just scared that he will be able to take our child once he is born and not have to be supervised.  He is no where near getting the help he needs, he thinks it is me and that I have problems, but that is usually what they do, make the sane person feel insane!!  I don't know what to do or how to handle this.  I can't wait to be divorced and done with him, but he is still the father of my child but I wish he weren't, I know that is bad to say, but it is true.  I just wish I could be done with him forever and never see him again.  Does anyone know anything I can do to help get what I want from a custody hearing that we will have once the baby is born?  He is currently claiming he is going to get a lawyer and try to get full custody...he told me it was going to be all or nothing and thats it, so he is saying he will have him full time or nothing at all.  I am not afraid that he will get full custody, I know that will not happen, but I don't want him to have visitation alone, I am afraid for my childs well being and safety.  HELP ME!!!  Any advice would be helpful...thanks
Q has posted some really good websites and books for reference (she mostly posted the info on the abuse board).  WWW.LEAVINGABUSE.COM and WWW.DIVORCENET.COM might be two good ones to start with.  Like Q says, get educated and make a plan!  Why are you afraid of leaving your son alone with his father?? Has he been physically abusive?  OOPS-GTG but I'l be back.................................................
 
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September 17, 2005, 8:09 am PDT

Wondering?

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Q has posted some really good websites and books for reference (she mostly posted the info on the abuse board).  WWW.LEAVINGABUSE.COM and WWW.DIVORCENET.COM might be two good ones to start with.  Like Q says, get educated and make a plan!  Why are you afraid of leaving your son alone with his father?? Has he been physically abusive?  OOPS-GTG but I'l be back.................................................

I am not sure what or who Q is??  A person?  Do I go to those sites, are they realted to Q?   Sorry, I am just confused!!  YES, he was physically abusive with me and past girls he dated before me, and for the first 13 years of his life, he was abused by his father and possibly fathers friends/relatives.  He never talked much about it, but I know it happened, cause he is really messed up in the head and gets ragingingly psycho at times...the smallest and weirdest things set him off, so with a baby I am afraid of what he might do if he cannot handle it, and I will not risk my childs safety by giving him to him alone, I just won't let it happen.  I have been going through this pregnancy all alone (without him)  he was there in the beginning (I left at about 23 weeks in my pregnancy) but he was never there for me, he didn't help me when I was sick or sore, he just basically told me to deal with it and get over it.  He never did anything to help me out whatsoever.  His excuse was he works 50 hours a week, but at the time, I worked 40-45, so that irritated me that that was his excuse!!  Anyway, he is currently claiming that he has a lawyer and that he just has to pay him, but he said that it was going to be all or nothing and thats it, for custody...so he thinks he will win full custody, and if he doesn't he doesn't want anything...how dumb is that.  IT is not that I do not want him to see our child, I just want him to get counseling or take anger management or something before I ever consider leaving my child with him.  Why does this have to be so complicated???!!!  I know you had to go before, but I am hoping you can write back with help or advice.  I will check out those sites though. Thanks 

  

 
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September 17, 2005, 8:40 pm PDT

I am so confussed

I have only been married almost 2 yrs. He has been married 10 yrs prior, this is my first. We have 2 children and I have 2 step children. 

  

 It is such a long story to go through so I will cut it short but I am really needing some help to figuring out what to do. I just am not happy. I mean we argue all the time just diffrent point of views on everything! He says it is yellow I say it is blue. I am to the point now that I would rather work FT and support me and my children (3 &1) alone rather than stay so unhappy. Now I find myself staying because if he and I were to seperate or whatever I believe it is a very selfish thing on my part to put 4 kids through something so bad only because of the way I feel. I love him very much, and I can not picture me without him but in our relationship, there is no freedom, no trust, no communication, no sex (thats because of me. he said that he didnt know if he would be able to say no to temptation  since he isnt getting "it") yea...whatever. He has said a few times that he doesnt leave because he doesnt want it to be on HIS burden so that in other words it wont be on him when people ask, ya know. So What should I do? I have talked with a few people but I am soooooooooooooooooo ready to pull my hair out!!!!!!!! 

   I have suggested seperation but he hears that he says that we might as well get a divorce and constantly thinks when I am gone other men must be around. OMG!! 

 
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September 18, 2005, 3:01 pm PDT

I think we're headed toward divorce

The sad thing is that I write this knowing that the answer I am seeking is within me, but I don't want to achknowledge it.  I want to divorce my husband.  Since marrying 3 years ago, he's had 5 jobs, been diagnosed with ADD, depression and anxiety, and emotionally and verbally abused me.  I was dumb enough to have a beautiful child with him, who I love.  Unfortunately, I am so stressed out because I have to work to support the 3 of us since my husband can't keep a job, and has never made more thatn $35K a year since we've been married anyway, that I never get to calm down enough to enjoy my baby because I am always busy doing something, planning something, keeping things moving.  My husband and I are not friends let alone best friends.  He has no friends at all, and clearly doesn't need me for one as he is used to be a loner.  I am so so so so so so stupid for marrying him.  He sold me up the river - he made himself out to be this business go getter type who had a good life and ran marathons and was hip and cool and had a social life and I fell for all of it and then was in too deep to have the courage to call it all off either before the marriage or before the baby because I just kept thinking that if I tried hard enough that I could change him and get what I want.  I want someone who gets up happy and raring to go. Someone who can move at more than just one slow speed - can change speeds when needed.  I want someone who loves to talk - and talk fast - about business and life and stuff and sometimes not even mean anything by it but just talk to talk and enjoy it.  I want someone who has friends and says "let's go to the beach with so and so and his wife this weekend."  I want someone who has goals and can actually attain them and isn't held back by ADD and social problems.  Anyone ever been here?  Advice? 

 
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September 19, 2005, 2:26 am PDT

Like the good doctor says, childre n would rather be from a broken home, than to live in one!

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I have only been married almost 2 yrs. He has been married 10 yrs prior, this is my first. We have 2 children and I have 2 step children. 

  

 It is such a long story to go through so I will cut it short but I am really needing some help to figuring out what to do. I just am not happy. I mean we argue all the time just diffrent point of views on everything! He says it is yellow I say it is blue. I am to the point now that I would rather work FT and support me and my children (3 &1) alone rather than stay so unhappy. Now I find myself staying because if he and I were to seperate or whatever I believe it is a very selfish thing on my part to put 4 kids through something so bad only because of the way I feel. I love him very much, and I can not picture me without him but in our relationship, there is no freedom, no trust, no communication, no sex (thats because of me. he said that he didnt know if he would be able to say no to temptation  since he isnt getting "it") yea...whatever. He has said a few times that he doesnt leave because he doesnt want it to be on HIS burden so that in other words it wont be on him when people ask, ya know. So What should I do? I have talked with a few people but I am soooooooooooooooooo ready to pull my hair out!!!!!!!! 

   I have suggested seperation but he hears that he says that we might as well get a divorce and constantly thinks when I am gone other men must be around. OMG!! 

Like the good doctor says, children  would rather be from a broken home, than to live in one!   If you are not getting along, and you are not waning to be married to this man, then leave, or have him leave either one. You are not helping your children or your self by staying in a marriage that is making the two of you so miserable. 

  

Sex is a major part of a romantic relationship, and if the love is gone, it is difficult to make love to someone you are no longer "in love" with rather than just love. Don't blame the children for you staying, because your unhappiness will be felt by the children as well, and you are not doing them any kind of service by staying. 

  

By the age of your children, it sounds like you are young, and if that is the case, you have plenty of future to start over and next time you may want to consider moving slower in your choices as not to repeat the same behavior. You don't give enough information to know why your marriage is failing, but it is obvious that it is, and you need to get out and start over, if you have no interest in cutting off the dead wood, and attempting to reviving this marriage. 

  

I hope this helps. Good luck, and keep us posted. 

 
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