Topic : Infidelity

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July 19, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

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Hello, Everybody.

 

      Another poster named juball referred me to this message board because she felt like I could get some better advice here than on the "Divorce Support" message board.  This message is originally posted under the title of "I can't afford a divorce" on that board.  She said that a poster by the name of ritehere would be a particularly helpful individual, so if you happen to read this, ritehere, I'm all yours and I thank you in advance.  Here is the original message: 

 

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Hello Everybody.

 

     My name is Tracy and I live in SC.  I have other posts on these boards about adoption.  I'm eight months pregnant and have made a good adoption plan for this child.

 

     I really don't want to talk a lot about this because to tell you the truth, I've talked enough with people in real life already and i'm tired of it.  Long story short:  My husband was verbally and emotionally abusive (emot. in that he quit having sex with me), so I started cheating on him.  I was sleeping around but until Oct. of last year I couldn't find a guy who would "stay around," if you know what I mean.  I just found out Monday night that he's been doing the same thing, starting in May of last year and has kept it from me all this time.  This woman IS interested in being his wife and they have expressed their love to each other.  They were on the phone with each other 6 times yesterday.  She lives in Wisconsin, 1200 miles from here.

 

      I was/am moderately in love with the man who could be the father of this baby, but I'm not a homewrecker.  I understand that my "boyfriend" is not going anywhere and that his long-term GF and kids are completely dependent on him.  I have tried to break it off with him a few times, but when it's good and you feel as bad as I do, it's hard.  Once I'm not pregnant anymore I'll have new and harsher motivation to finally tell him "no." 

 

     So here is the jist of the story.  I want out of this house.  Now.  But, my husband and I are in SO much debt that we cannot afford two households right now.  So I have to look at him every night knowing that without a doubt his heart (and his d***) belong to somebody else.  When this divorce is complete (like three years from now - what you wanna bet?) I will be alone.  I'll be alone and HE WILL BE HAPPY!!!  I'm so mad about this I could spit.  Nighttime is the worst.  I look at him, sitting on the couch, apathetic, but completely satisfied with his personal life and the way things are going for him, and I just cry.  I have cried maybe three of the five nights that I've known.  It's going on a week that I've known about this.  And his sorry family and friends have kept it from me too, on top of that.  He's going on a trip next week with a stop in Green Bay, so you know he'll be getting some when he goes up there while here I am with our child and 8 months pregnant.

 

     Is there anything I can do to just get away from him even though I clearly cannot afford it?  Please help me.  Thanks.

 

Tracy

 

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Thanks again for your time and attention.

 

Tracy

 

 

I urge you to consider counseling on your own, without your husband. It sounds like he has already made a decision and he is happy with it. You could benefit from having someone - an unbiased professional would be best - that you could vent your thoughts/feelings/frustrations to and receive proper, healthy guidance from. There have probably been situations in your life that have brought you to this dysfunctional, unhappy place; and it is important that you learn how to begin living your life in a healthy, functional way so that your child does not repeat your pattern.
There is nothing you can do to change your husband; you have no power/control over him, and he would have to WANT to create healthy change. It doesn’t sound like he wants to do that. My advice to you is to put your focus and energy onto the one and only person you do have power/control over, and that is YOU. You’ve got to discover what brings you happiness, what is it that gives you a feeling of worth, accomplishment? If you don’t know, then you are about to begin a life-changing journey to discover what it is.
For now, if you must live under the same roof as your verbally abusive husband, do everything in your power to avoid confrontation with him. If he tries to instigate an argument, refuse to engage in that argument. Even if you know he is wrong and you have a valid point; don’t give him the satisfaction of an argument. This is also for your child’s sake. She is already trying to “make” you guys happy; and that isn’t her job.
 
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July 19, 2008, 5:44 pm PDT

These are all good ideas.

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I urge you to consider counseling on your own, without your husband. It sounds like he has already made a decision and he is happy with it. You could benefit from having someone - an unbiased professional would be best - that you could vent your thoughts/feelings/frustrations to and receive proper, healthy guidance from. There have probably been situations in your life that have brought you to this dysfunctional, unhappy place; and it is important that you learn how to begin living your life in a healthy, functional way so that your child does not repeat your pattern.
There is nothing you can do to change your husband; you have no power/control over him, and he would have to WANT to create healthy change. It doesnt sound like he wants to do that. My advice to you is to put your focus and energy onto the one and only person you do have power/control over, and that is YOU. Youve got to discover what brings you happiness, what is it that gives you a feeling of worth, accomplishment? If you dont know, then you are about to begin a life-changing journey to discover what it is.
For now, if you must live under the same roof as your verbally abusive husband, do everything in your power to avoid confrontation with him. If he tries to instigate an argument, refuse to engage in that argument. Even if you know he is wrong and you have a valid point; dont give him the satisfaction of an argument. This is also for your childs sake. She is already trying to make you guys happy; and that isnt her job.

Hello Jaimie. 

 

      You must be the same age I am.  1974 is the year I was born, albeit Dec. of 1974.  (almost 1975 in other words.) 

 

      I suppose that I could go see the same counselor I was seeing.  He's a drive away, though, and we all know how gas prices are now.  I might could find a closer one who will counsel me for the same amount of money (like 11.00 a visit - sliding scale.  You can't hardly beat that.)  I am afraid that I am going to get lost in the shuffle of my necessary plans to make a new life for myself, you know?  I plan on applying for a new job as a probation officer because the hours are better and I've always wanted a job where there is a chance I'll make a difference in somebody's life.  If I can't do that, then law enforcement is my plan B (you know, policewoman.)  Then there's all the details to be worked out with the divorce (house, custody, child support.).  I just finished a mountain of paperwork for this adoption, and here I go again - more paperwork, more headache, more frustration, more phone calls.  And you know his sorry a$$ ain't gonna do a thing.  He did zero paperwork for the adoption, what makes me or anyone think that he'll help me with this?  (Then again, his 'help' probably wouldn't help, and he'd just screw it all up.  I write all the checks for our bills every month, for example, b/c I don't trust that he'll get that right.)  This journey you speak of sounds like one big headache to me, but what sucks is that I'm forced to do it anyway, like it or not.  I'm sure when I'm finished there will be a sense of accomplishment on my part, but right now I'm at the beginning and it's all very overwhelming.  Another thing I'm afraid of is that I'll get into this new job and won't have time to sort out all this other junk.  I kinda have a time management problem.  Maybe though at least with some of the debt paid off and the new job I can move out and the divorce settlement can be done in pieces as we both have time.  Well, I'm thinking out loud here.  (*snore!!*)  I do appreciate your concern and your comments.  I would love to take your advice, it's just a matter of time and money.

 

Tracy

 

 

 
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July 20, 2008, 9:09 am PDT

No failures!

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To answer your questions, the three year thing was just a number that I threw out there as sort of an estimate.  In other words, I don't see this god-awful mess being sorted out for an uncomfortably  long time.  The thing about my daughter is this:  She's four, so yes she's aware that when mommy and daddy fight, it's not good.  She's seen me cry and yell at the top of my lungs.  She's seen daddy yell in my face and throw things.  Sometimes she tries to distract us by "showing" us stuff.  Other times she just goes to her room.  She never sees daddy show mommy any affection, so this is what she'll think marriage is, I guess.  As I type this, it sounds to me that getting a divorce will be good for her as well as for me.  He'll, of course, be thrilled.  Of course, without a man around the house, she won't know what marriage is all about either.  I don't want her to think that single parenthood is the preferrable situation, because let's face it, it's not.  Kids do better in homes with a mommy and a daddy.  I don't know, though, maybe I shouldn't be so hard on myself because verbal and emotional abuse is a different situation.  It makes me wish I never got married and/or had kids in the first place.  I feel like such a failure.  Well, I need to go to bed.  You are very kind, you know. 

 

Tracy

 

 

Tracy, here is an attitude you can think about and begin to adopt immediately. You are not a failure because there ARE NO FAILURES IN LIFE. There is merely a lesson you needed to learn. Think about it, the reason you are in this mess is because you need to learn the great lesson of valuing yourself. If you valued yourself and your life highly, you might have been pickier about the husband you chose. You may have acknowledged that sex is important, indeed a physical drive, but is to be managed wisely as promiscuity is dangerous these days. If you already valued yourself, your problems would have been different than the ones you now have.

You are not a failure, you are a confused lonely young woman. You have done nothing that can't be rectified. The root of your problem lies in your self esteem.

Here's something else you can think about:  you went to counseling, you even got your husband to go. His refusal to be honest was your proof that he doesn't take his marriage seriously. You can now divorce him with a clear conscience that you tried to work things out. If he is not willing to work at it also, there's nothing  more that you can do. Unless of course you're willing to live a miserable life with a man that is disrespectful and abusive.

I am a strong believer in the idea that we come together to learn the lessons we need to learn. He came into your life to help you to learn to value yourself, and when you didn't, life sent you the men you hooked up with. To quote another life coach and inspirational person I admire, Anthony Robbins, everything has a purpose, and it serves us. When we ignore the lessons we need to learn, life sends us the same fare over and over until we do learn it.

There is no relationship greater than the one we have with ourselves. When all others leave us, we are left with ourselves. To learn to have an unshakable regard for ourselves and our life and our possibilities is our purpose here. It is not selfish or vain to care for ourselves. It is the way that we become the most effective in our relationships with others.

I was unlovable until I learned to love myself. If you would like to learn more about this, I highly recommend Dr Phil's SELF MATTERS. It is a self paced personal therapy with the doc himself. It's not an easy read, and there are some gut wrenching chapters that ask you to dig deep, but it's worth it.

 
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July 20, 2008, 9:16 am PDT

Thanks Juballl

Your confidence in me is flattering. Take care.

 
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July 20, 2008, 9:30 am PDT

All about him...

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I don't think he was smart enough to make duplicates.  I got them the day after he walked out.  I really don't think he even thought that way yet.  He is about him.  I never realized he was so self-centered and selfish.  I guess what they say about love being blind is true.  But now when I look back at the gifts he got me for Christmas, they were all generic, because he really doesn't have a clue as to who I really am.  He got me a wireless keyboard and mouse(which turned out to be what he wanted), and a book  on Celine Dion which is who the "old" girlfriend is a fan of, not me.  Kind of sick now that I think about what has all went on.   Yes, I don't envy his parents, they were already trying to give me stuff to save for the kids someday.  I already have what is family heirlooms from his side of the family and neither of our children want them now.  As far as I am concerned, I will leave them for him.  He likes things, and he can give the "stuff" to his sister's boys.  As for safety, I worked such an odd schedule he will never know whether I am here or not, besides I have wonderful neighbors who are retired and know the situation and have 911 on speed dial.  I agree with you, that there is nothing here that can't be replaced and I have never been one that has put value on material things.  The only thing that would be rough to replace, would be the photos and the family history and I am planning on getting that all to a safe place.

 

He will never be able to get back the trust that his children and I had in him.  It must suck to be him knowing that the kids demanded that his name be taken off of each of their savings accounts.  The revenge was when they both wanted my name on there.  He still feels that I put them up to it, but it was really my daughter's idea.  I only wish is was that easy for me.  I have been accepted at a college for this fall and will start classes soon.  This is the beginning of a whole new chapter.  Now if I could just delete him.

Rusty, I have to agree with Juballl about changing the locks. The fact that your husband only thinks in terms of himself is the very reason he might try to come take more things. At your stage in life, the things you have would be difficult to replace, and face it, some things are necessities. You know him better than I do though, how mad do you think it would make him? Do you think there would be some sort of reprisal for  locking him out? To a certain degree, he probably thinks of the house as half his. (This could be another big reason to sell and get a different place.)

Keep the heirlooms your children recieved from his parents, if you haven't given them away yet. You never know, their relationship may repair itself yet....  They wanted your children to have them, so don't do anything yet, keep them awhile. If things never do get better they can always give them back or whatever.

 
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July 20, 2008, 9:31 am PDT

to Rustydog-

By the way, I meant to tell you that I love the icon. Is this your dog?
 
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July 20, 2008, 1:20 pm PDT

I Call Um, Like I See Um!

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Your confidence in me is flattering. Take care.

I call um like I see um, lol. You are a great help to many on here. People should stop and think how much of your time, you give to the boards. Thank YOU!
 
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July 20, 2008, 2:25 pm PDT

Tracy

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Hello Jaimie. 

 

      You must be the same age I am.  1974 is the year I was born, albeit Dec. of 1974.  (almost 1975 in other words.) 

 

      I suppose that I could go see the same counselor I was seeing.  He's a drive away, though, and we all know how gas prices are now.  I might could find a closer one who will counsel me for the same amount of money (like 11.00 a visit - sliding scale.  You can't hardly beat that.)  I am afraid that I am going to get lost in the shuffle of my necessary plans to make a new life for myself, you know?  I plan on applying for a new job as a probation officer because the hours are better and I've always wanted a job where there is a chance I'll make a difference in somebody's life.  If I can't do that, then law enforcement is my plan B (you know, policewoman.)  Then there's all the details to be worked out with the divorce (house, custody, child support.).  I just finished a mountain of paperwork for this adoption, and here I go again - more paperwork, more headache, more frustration, more phone calls.  And you know his sorry a$$ ain't gonna do a thing.  He did zero paperwork for the adoption, what makes me or anyone think that he'll help me with this?  (Then again, his 'help' probably wouldn't help, and he'd just screw it all up.  I write all the checks for our bills every month, for example, b/c I don't trust that he'll get that right.)  This journey you speak of sounds like one big headache to me, but what sucks is that I'm forced to do it anyway, like it or not.  I'm sure when I'm finished there will be a sense of accomplishment on my part, but right now I'm at the beginning and it's all very overwhelming.  Another thing I'm afraid of is that I'll get into this new job and won't have time to sort out all this other junk.  I kinda have a time management problem.  Maybe though at least with some of the debt paid off and the new job I can move out and the divorce settlement can be done in pieces as we both have time.  Well, I'm thinking out loud here.  (*snore!!*)  I do appreciate your concern and your comments.  I would love to take your advice, it's just a matter of time and money.

 

Tracy

 

 

One day at a time, one step at a time.
You have goals, but you hold yourself back thinking of what might happen. You “what if” everything to much; you’ve got to make a plan and then follow through. It could take years, but when the goal is accomplished, it will be an awesome feeling.
Again, I urge you to pursue counseling for yourself. You need and deserve an unbiased person to confide in. Creating positive change in your life takes time, but that time will go by whether you are creating positive change or not.
 
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July 21, 2008, 8:01 am PDT

You are right

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Better safe than sorry! Since your child asked you to change the locks, you should do everything you can to make them feel safe. I don't mean to butt in here, but I've seen a lot of things in my almost 55 years, and there is nothing you can put past a mate during a break up. Just watch the news. There have been at least five missing wives right now on the news in the past month.
I do believe that you are right.  I will do that.  Nothing is impossible and with his state of mind as it right now who knows what direction he will go.  Thank you so much!
 
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July 21, 2008, 8:08 am PDT

Yes, he is a jewel

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By the way, I meant to tell you that I love the icon. Is this your dog?
Yes, this is my boy!  He has been a big part of my therapy in all of this. He has been there for me the whole time.  He missed my husband for almost a week and then he just stopped looking for him.  Almost thought about changing his name to Therapy.  When I get down, he knows and wants to take me for a walk.  We also grabbed the neighbor dog and take her with us.  We are quite a team!    The photo is from when he was younger, but it is one of my favorites. 
 

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