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Topic : 12/20 Marry Me or Else!

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Created on : Friday, September 22, 2006, 12:20:09 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/26/06) It’s do or die for the men today, as their partners tell them to either walk down the aisle or walk the highway! Tony and Mary have dated for 12 years, and have been engaged for eight. Mary wants to set a wedding date, but Tony says even after all these years, he’s not ready and still feels pressured to tie the knot. Does Tony fear getting married or getting married to Mary? Then, Rosanna has been dating her boyfriend, Dennis, for almost five years and says she’s tired of “playing house.” Dennis maintains that he told Rosanna from the start he didn’t want to get married. Should they just throw in the towel and move on? Plus, Robin shares some relationship tips, and the women finally take a stand and issue ultimatums for their men! Join the discussion.

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September 25, 2006, 12:14 pm PDT

09/26 Marry Me or Else!

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How long do you wait?

Hello. My name is Janessa. I'm 26 years old (almost 27). I married my high school sweetheart in 2001 and we divorced in December of last year because he cheated. So we were together a total of almost 9 years. I left him last May.

 

Istarted dating a wonderful man in September of last year. So we have been together for a year now. He is 32 and divorced his wife in Februrary of this year, also due to infidelity issues - she also cheated. They were together 11 years.

 

Here is where it gets sticky. He has a 5 year old son (almost 6 years). After they had a child, he had a vasectomy. I have no children, but have always wanted children. I have never thought of not having children at some point. He, on the other hand, only planned on having one child and now he's not sure if he 1, wants to ever get remarried and 2, if he wants to have more children.

Having babies is not something I am really worried about, because if he had a reversal and it didn't work, we would adopt, but none of that matters if he doesn't want children at all. He thinks he will get there, but it will take time. How much time?

 

So my question is, how long do you wait for someone? I really love him and I understand that we have not been together all that long, but I would like to know if this is going to work out or if it is worth my time. Why should I stay with someone who doesn't want the same things I do? What if I wait and then he decides he doesn't want to ever get married again or have children? Then I'll get hurt too. I am just at such a loss as to what to do. We have talked about breaking up, in fact, we were on the verge of it last week, but neither one of us feels good about just walking away.

 

We have been through a lot and continue to go through a lot with his ex-wife and the issues with her and his son. That's more baggage and hard on me too. I think he's worth it, but then what if my goals, hopes and dreams are never met? Any advice?

 

Thanks so much for reading.

 

 Janessa

Janessa...

Get out and find your self a man who will want the same things as you do!  I personally know a woman, who married the love of her life - even though  he told her he DIDN"T want kids.  Although she did want children, she gave up the thought and put all her efforts into her marriage.  For 25 years she took care of (literally) him and their business, which became a great success -all due to her hard work - while he played golf, chased bimbos, etc.  Twenty five years went by quickly and one day, this selfish bastard, came home to tell her;  that he "NOW WANTS KIDS"!!!  By then, she was of course too old to have them.  She compeltely fell apart when he dumped her and married the pregnant bimbo, who had a few kids for him.  DO yourself a big favor.. Loose this selfish  "BOY" quickly and go have babies with a MAN who will love you enough, to marry you and love - and share babies with you.  There are too many selfish men out there, who take advantage of women. He's only thinking of himself - not your ticking clock, or what you want (why should he buy the cow when the milk is free).  We women have to be honest and true to our own selves. You cannot make a man love you, but you also SHOULD NOT love a man more than yourself, or a man who doesn't love you back, as much as you love him.  Never put his wishes before yours, when you know that he doesn't want the same things as you do.  If he says he doesn't want kids... Believe him!!!    Go on with your life, with someone who does.  Please take this to heart.  It is very true.  Good Luck to you!!

Donna

 

 

 
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September 25, 2006, 12:35 pm PDT

Not ready

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We are both very open and honest, that's one great thing about our relationship - our ability to communicate well. So, I should wait for him, even though he may never get to that point?
He was in a marriage of 10 yrs to yours of 5 yrs., so he might very well not want to remarry which is what he said. Also, if he had a vasectomy, that is a strong statement of not wanting more kids. He is not trusting birth control to decide it for him. Also you were both still technically married when you started dating.It might give you a chance to date a bit and grow and get to know other people and you can always say call me if you change your mind in a year or so. You never know........ It might be good after a divorce to step back a bit rather than go into another relationship right away. Just an opinion.
 
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September 25, 2006, 12:46 pm PDT

I am a women

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"...I have been 2x , my 1st husband I divorced because of infidelity and my 2nd tried to kill me and put me in a coma... so yes I am very causious know. I feel I have reason to be and don't want to be preasured."

 

If you have made your position clear - no hints, suggestions or "thoughts but actually stated it - he should respect your decision. I would not see him anymore.

Yes, I am causious, and don't want to jump the gun... although NEVER once have I told him would I not marry him although I would like to take our time and know that we are truely compatible not just a few months into a relationship. and on his time schedule. when he would choose to do it.

I do truely love him and his girls and consider them like my own and raise them as mine when they are with us. Treat them with love and respect . Just don't want to be pushed into marriage since it is such a big step and big commitment and yes children are involved.

 

 
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September 25, 2006, 12:46 pm PDT

listen to your gut feeling

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 Well I am a women, that has been dating  a man since April,of this year. Yes, We did meet on the internet and see hit it off. I did live in the Midwest and flew out to Cali. to meet him. I had stayed for 3 weeks the 1st time and we talked constantly on the phone and by internet.  I had went back home what was to be for 3 weeks then to come back to see if we still had the same connection.He flew me back earlier it was crazy, most to the time we do great, yes we have both been married before I have been 2x , my 1st husband I divorced because of infidelity and my 2nd tried to kill me and put me in a coma... so yes I am very causious know. I feel I have reason to be and don't want to be preasured. I am also am a disabled womed due to nerve damage so the more he pressures me on this issues and argues with me which usually is at least every other day it effects my body.

 I do love him and many qaulities that he does show and have...

Now he has also has been married 2x and we do have to deal with his ex wife since his childen we have every week and she makes it hard... for him not me.

The thing I deal with is he wants to Marry Now and I would like to wait for at least a yr.. Yes there are some issues with in our relationship and yes we do have some arguments and he does not argue fair... oh would I love Dr. Phil to hear it...LOL 

when the marry  issues comes up he always says to me oh since I don't want to do it know I am a liar and I have done nothing but, sold him a bill of goods... which does not make me feel very good on the inside.  Not a bill of goods, we have not even known each other a yr or dated a yr and if we can't even work thru this issue without out name calling and him getting angry it makes me causious is all...

I have never once said I would not marry him, I do love him and his children I consider them my own...

My children are grown 20 and soon to be 30.

I do believe that men  or women that have been dating for years and don't want to step up to the plate though need to move on and except the truth. and find someone to love them and share with them the needs and wants of there dreams and desires.

 

any advice would be nice

 

I think his pressure to marry so fast should be a red flag and warning sign to you. Especially after knowing him only a short time and having met him on the internet.Maybe the first visit went good but you said the next visit(already) was soon after and the arguments affect your health. If he doesn't want to wait even one year, then that is a warning sign. He is flying you out there but you need to protect yourself . I would end the relationship to protect your health . He could be after your bank account  or credit  or whatever and he needs it now . you don't know.
 
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September 25, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

I Am Women

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I think his pressure to marry so fast should be a red flag and warning sign to you. Especially after knowing him only a short time and having met him on the internet.Maybe the first visit went good but you said the next visit(already) was soon after and the arguments affect your health. If he doesn't want to wait even one year, then that is a warning sign. He is flying you out there but you need to protect yourself . I would end the relationship to protect your health . He could be after your bank account  or credit  or whatever and he needs it now . you don't know.

  Well the bank account I doubt lol, there are many issues on both sides and so it is just not one sided... although I would like to wait at least for awhile... he feels I have sold him a bill of goods to him and his girls... I don't want to leave him and his girls so many wonderful qaulities and I love each and everyone of them... just some issues we really do need to work out. and the time of the marriage is one.

All I do know is the love in my heart and soul is so real when we argue I hurt for days.

 
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September 25, 2006, 3:57 pm PDT

09/26 Marry Me or Else!

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"Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free." 
Why buy the pig for a leeeeetle piece of sausage...
 
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September 25, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

The end all be all....

For a year and a half he was the end all be all, I wanted to marry  him sooo bad. I thought he was the one. He had said he'll never marry again. He did say once to a saleperson, "well, you never know" when I joked about we're only dating for 30-40 years.  I am finally tired of paying for what his ex-wives did, and hearing excuses. I have a new attitude, why should I bother with things if it's not going to go where I want it to go. He and my DD started not getting along, why should I try to work it out between them if we're not going to be together in life? In reality, he doesn't care what I think or how I feel. It's his way or the highway. He doesn't have a clue what I'm about. Can we work it out? As long as it's what he wants, sure.

 

As far as excuses; it's amazing how when you really, really want to do something, you can move heaven and earth to make it happen.

 
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September 25, 2006, 4:17 pm PDT

09/26 Marry Me or Else!

An eight year engagement ought to tell any woman that her fiance isn't ready or willing to get married and probably never will be. Unless she moves on, she'll most likely spend the rest of her life as his fiancee.

 
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September 25, 2006, 6:58 pm PDT

same boat

We are on the same boat. I've been with my partner for 15 years now and he never talk about marriage. We have 2 kids 14 and 4 years old respectively. I'm tired of waiting for him to marry me. I don't know how to ask or start a conversation about marriage. Please help...
 
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September 25, 2006, 7:13 pm PDT

wise up

 To all women who give it up for free.  The old saying, why buy he Cow when you get the milk for free is still true.  If you wait for marraige to have sex the man will be more interested in marraige. If he gets the privilage of marraige without marrying you why should he have to.  If you live with him before marraige there is less of a chance of the marraige working out than if you wait.
 
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