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(Original Air Date: 09/26/06) It’s do or die for the men today, as their partners tell them to either walk down the aisle or walk the highway! Tony and Mary have dated for 12 years, and have been engaged for eight. Mary wants to set a wedding date, but Tony says even after all these years, he’s not ready and still feels pressured to tie the knot. Does Tony fear getting married or getting married to Mary? Then, Rosanna has been dating her boyfriend, Dennis, for almost five years and says she’s tired of “playing house.” Dennis maintains that he told Rosanna from the start he didn’t want to get married. Should they just throw in the towel and move on? Plus, Robin shares some relationship tips, and the women finally take a stand and issue ultimatums for their men! Join the discussion.

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October 9, 2006, 9:56 am PDT

Actually the show was about women pressuring men

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With all due respect to those that have posted about being in wonderful committed but not legal relationships:  The topic of this show is NOT whether people in a long term committed relationship SHOULD get married.  If you are happily committed without a wedding ring than this show is NOT for you.  There are plenty of people that DO believe that that little piece of paper IS worth something ( especially in community property states!).  This show is for THEM, because they've been promised that little piece of paper, and time is passing , the clock is ticking, and NOTHING is happening. 

 

I believe that its morally repugnant to ask a woman to marry her or otherwise lead her to believe that an engagement is on the way....then NOT do it and enjoy all the rewards of being engaged when you have NO intention of tying the knot. 

 

If  you've had the moral courage to tell a woman that you are NOT going to marry her, and she still sticks around and denies reality, then you have your work cut out for you.  

 

My own boyfriend told me in 1989 that he loved me, but he was never going to marry me.  I thanked him for his honesty, then immediately broke up with him because it was too painful to date someone I wanted to marry who didn't want to marry me, and he didn't want to share me with anyone else  In 1990 he came round again, but found me into someone else!  In 1992 he tried for the last time, and this time everything came together as they should have.  We did marry and we almost split up after the wedding because he wasn't honest with himself or ME that he wasn't really ready to get married.  He'd figured he'd better do it or lose me.  What he did was act like a complete jerk for the first two years and we came thisclose to divorce.   Happily, we worked it out with the help of an excellent therapist who gave us the choice to stay together or part with dignity.  We stayed together and celebrated our 11th anniversary  this month.

 

 The topic of this show is How long do you WAIT for a wedding date if you've gotten a ring and he STILL won't give you a date?   The engagement ring is given with the promise of marriage.  However,  if no wedding date is set, or is set and broken many times, then you have an empty promise.  Get out, Get out, Get out.. 

 

 This is must see TV for any woman who's gotten that ring, but not the date.  Or he says that you'll get the engagement ring as soon as he pays off some bills, but then he suddenly has the money to buy himself an airplane.   Every time I've seen this happen in Real Life,  they guy didn't marry the woman because  she gave up after 10 years and leaves, ( then three months later he married the next girl that came along) or the guy doesn't marry the woman and she's withers on the vine while he is enjoying all of the benefits wiithout the commitment.   Or the guy and woman get married and it's a disaster because he was "forced" into it.   It's been my own personal experience that if you have to beg for a ring or a wedding date...then fuhgeddaboutit, he's just not that INTO you. 

 

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the one women - her boyfriend  had NEVER proposed and never said he wanted to get married.  He specifically said he didn't want to.  She was pressuring him.  Leaving "hints" around the house.  I think the specific topic is if you want to get married and they don't get the hell out and quit looking over your shoulder to see if they are following you, because they probably aren't.

 

You sound very lucky that your guy worked out, many of us do end up with great guys!  I have one myself.. It is truly a blessing to not only love your husband but like him as well. 

 

But as you said it isn't always the men getting the milk for free because in today's society many women would rather live in a household where she serves her own milk out of a bottle to him while he watches football in bed.  Nothing wrong with that as long as you know what you are doing and you are happy!!  I did that for years and ever warmed the bottle for him. To each her own as long as she goes in with her eyes open and doesn't blame everyone around her for what she is doing and then acts like she is surprised.

 

Take responsibility.  You did and you got what you wanted.  Good for you.  Don't take any crap!

 
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October 12, 2006, 12:39 pm PDT

I am in the same boat!

I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years.  He has been living with me for 2 of the years.  He has been in my daughters life ever since she was a year old.  She looks up to him like a father figure, since her dad is in and out of her life so much.  I have talked about marriage, I am 26 and he is 34 And i am ready for that family life again.  I was married once before and it failed due to a cheating husband.  The guy I am with now went through my divorce with me from begging to end.  I am ready to have a family, marriage and his family asks him when he is getting married, he tells them he is testing the water.  They tell me I will be nothing else but his girlfriend and that I should just leave him, but my daughter thinks his family is her family and both of us will be crushed.  I just don't know what to do.  I try talking about it and he say he wants to get married, but then we get deep in the subject and it just starts a fight.  Does anyone have an advise for me? Please help.

 

 

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October 12, 2006, 2:38 pm PDT

09/26 Marry Me or Else!

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I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years.  He has been living with me for 2 of the years.  He has been in my daughters life ever since she was a year old.  She looks up to him like a father figure, since her dad is in and out of her life so much.  I have talked about marriage, I am 26 and he is 34 And i am ready for that family life again.  I was married once before and it failed due to a cheating husband.  The guy I am with now went through my divorce with me from begging to end.  I am ready to have a family, marriage and his family asks him when he is getting married, he tells them he is testing the water.  They tell me I will be nothing else but his girlfriend and that I should just leave him, but my daughter thinks his family is her family and both of us will be crushed.  I just don't know what to do.  I try talking about it and he say he wants to get married, but then we get deep in the subject and it just starts a fight.  Does anyone have an advise for me? Please help.

 

I just ended my two yr. relationship.  There were different circumstances then yours, but he couldn't figure out whether he wanted to get married.  And I wasn't going to wait around any longer.  I had to do it for myself.

 

You need to ask him what he really wants, by now he should have a good idea.  If he doesn't want to get married then you need to seriously consider moving on.  It's not healthy for you or your daughter.  You may need to move on before you or your daughter invests any more emotion into it.  It will only get harder. 

 

 
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October 13, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

What the matter really is

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I think it's more hating the importance some people put on it and the fear of what the pressure of marriage and society puts on your relationship after your married, not hating marriage itself.  Why are some couples viewed with highet esteem because they are married, but show no respect to each other, but commiteed couples who are not married, are given little social importance and acceptace by some, they are "just dating".  It is ironic that the seal of marriage is suppose to mean something but the ones of us who are leary of leaping in aren't the ones who have lessened what it means.  The adulters, the wife beaters, the husband beaters, the married couples who have let the love slip away, who don't work on their marraiges, who don't walk in a park holding hands, when my boyfriend and I have been together 9 years but we still do.  It is very scary to want to jump into something that you see the statistics that show marriage kills over 50% of happy couples, because you would have to believe that 99% of the people who get married really really love each other, so there is something in marriage that beats the love out of the relationship and after 9 plus years if long term unmarried couples have figured out a way to keep the respect, the laughter, the smiles, the hand holding and warmth, YEAH I'M SCARED AS HELL TO GIVE IT UP!!  We're not having any kids or I might feel different.  And yes in my case we both have been married before.  I don't think most of us are trying to show disrespect but we are happy and have found long term peace and are really scared to rock the boat, it's not that we don't trust our relationships, we've believe in marriage once and it kicked our teeth in.

First let me say that I am not implying ANYTHING about your particular relationship and what works for you is your business.

 

But as far as nomarital long term relationships succeeding is concerned....

 

Sure it's EASY to happy with your relationship to your significant other when you basically wake up every morning DECIDING whether or not you want to be together!

 

And if you don't you can just pack you bags and leave in the middle of the night and the other person has no legal right to do anything about it!

 

A lot of us have "friends" that show up for the "party" and then we can't find them when we really need support.

 

But how intimate are we with those people?

 
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October 27, 2006, 1:03 pm PDT

Interesting

I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years.  He has been living with me for 2 of the years.  He has been in my daughters life ever since she was a year old.  She looks up to him like a father figure, since her dad is in and out of her life so much.  I have talked about marriage, I am 26 and he is 34 And i am ready for that family life again.  I was married once before and it failed due to a cheating husband.  The guy I am with now went through my divorce with me from begging to end.  I am ready to have a family, marriage and his family asks him when he is getting married, he tells them he is testing the water.  They tell me I will be nothing else but his girlfriend and that I should just leave him, but my daughter thinks his family is her family and both of us will be crushed.  I just don't know what to do.  I try talking about it and he say he wants to get married, but then we get deep in the subject and it just starts a fight.  Does anyone have an advise for me? Please help.

And why was this man with you through your divorce?  Were you seeing him before you got divorced?  I'm confused here.
 
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October 31, 2006, 9:35 pm PST

I can understand

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I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years.  He has been living with me for 2 of the years.  He has been in my daughters life ever since she was a year old.  She looks up to him like a father figure, since her dad is in and out of her life so much.  I have talked about marriage, I am 26 and he is 34 And i am ready for that family life again.  I was married once before and it failed due to a cheating husband.  The guy I am with now went through my divorce with me from begging to end.  I am ready to have a family, marriage and his family asks him when he is getting married, he tells them he is testing the water.  They tell me I will be nothing else but his girlfriend and that I should just leave him, but my daughter thinks his family is her family and both of us will be crushed.  I just don't know what to do.  I try talking about it and he say he wants to get married, but then we get deep in the subject and it just starts a fight.  Does anyone have an advise for me? Please help.

And why was this man with you through your divorce?  Were you seeing him before you got divorced?  I'm confused here.

You are in a dificult situation. I haven't been in that situation but I will try to help.

 

I suggest you buy the tape of this episode if it isn't rerunning soon in your area.

 

As I said in  a previous post, you just have to see the look on Mary's face!

 

It is very significant that this woman ( unlike the much younger other guest, Roseanna) spent a total of 12 years with her guy, 8 of them being engaged and now she may be too old to do some of the things she wanted to do.

 

She basically wasted her life and youth on this guy and she can't get that time back. It's like a bad nightmare.

 

Although you do have a child and you have been married once, you need to put yourself in Mary's place.  Are you going to be happy being in your 40's without getting married again?

 

Don't wait till its too late like Mary did only to hear the common sense reply (leave if he won't give you what you want) when it is too late to make a difference.

 
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December 16, 2006, 6:33 am PST

You may "Love Him" but why the push????

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I have been with my boyfriend for 3 years.  He has been living with me for 2 of the years.  He has been in my daughters life ever since she was a year old.  She looks up to him like a father figure, since her dad is in and out of her life so much.  I have talked about marriage, I am 26 and he is 34 And i am ready for that family life again.  I was married once before and it failed due to a cheating husband.  The guy I am with now went through my divorce with me from begging to end.  I am ready to have a family, marriage and his family asks him when he is getting married, he tells them he is testing the water.  They tell me I will be nothing else but his girlfriend and that I should just leave him, but my daughter thinks his family is her family and both of us will be crushed.  I just don't know what to do.  I try talking about it and he say he wants to get married, but then we get deep in the subject and it just starts a fight.  Does anyone have an advise for me? Please help.

 

 

 

       As a woman, you may be feeling the ole "biological clock" ticking away or the "social clock" kicking around, but honestly what is more important in your own heart? 

 

Is tolerating the lack of commitment worth your own self-esteem or as a father figure would you REALLY have wanted to marry someone like your father who has been in and out of your life on a regular basis and leaving you with an interabadonment issue?? 

A strong loving committed companion whom you can trust in with your inner most thoughts, secrets and has EARNED his place in your heart and soul is what is more deserving than what you are "settling for".

 

You and your daughter should be the one and only concern for happiness, get balance and stability for the two of you through the two of you and maybe one day a real man will come and earn a place in your family.

 

Look to your heart and believe in what God tells you is right..he knows.

 
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December 16, 2006, 8:35 am PST

12/20 Marry Me or Else!

The laws must be different in the States when it comes to Common Law couples.

Here in Canada, a Common Law couple is cosidered married after six months of contiuous co-habitation, that means if you split after only two months and get back together, that period starts ALL OVER again.

My husband and I have been together almost 18 years, an neither one of us plans on going anywhere, our view was always, if you're going to split up, that piece of paper isn't going to stop you from going out the door.  Our two children have their father's last name, I'm really no different from the wife that keeps here maiden name after the wedding, and yes both children have the same father.

We are faithful to each other, same rules apply here, you cheat, God help you, we file our income taxes together , we can buy a home together, and raise our children.  If we split, there is still the lawyers fees of dividing up assets, and child support, or alimony, we have a joint chequing account, and joint savings, is this sounding any different from MOST married couples so far ?

Our pay cheques are pooled together, we are each other's next of kin, and executors not to mention power of attorney ( though I realize ANYONE can be given those roles) and we are each other's beneficiaries of any insurance policies, not to mention, I am also on his job's medical insurance.

So the difference, we chose another option that we were given, we couldn't justify the cost of ONE DAY, or the hassle for that matter.  Do I worry that he's just going to "walk out" no, because I know with or without the whole piece of Paper or ceremony, he could anyway, the divorce rate currently should squash those illusions

To some people, all the Bells and whistles are a necessity, and it is what they want, WONDERFUL, but you BOTH have to be on the same page, and no one is going to be happy if they feel like going down the aisle, is like that walk down death row, what it comes down to, COMMUNICATION, and figuring out what is important to you, if its marriage, be UPFRONT about that, and stick to a time limit.

My husband and I are happy with the status quo, and our kids are growing up healthy and happy, but like marriage, our relationship takes alot of work, and we are both too stubborn to give up too easily.

I just prefer to be the Bridesmaid, not the Bride.

 
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December 16, 2006, 10:23 am PST

what is up with men

I know what these women are going through. my boyfriend and i have been together off and on for six years. we broke up for two years and in that time he married some one else!!!!!!!!!!! but he won't marry me? it is so frustrating to me. its been such a fight that now i don't want to marry him. it would be a privilege for him to marry me!!!!! so i don't know what to do... some time in my life i do want to get married but i want it to be to some one who wants it to, and is happy about it, not just doing it to make me happy.
 
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December 16, 2006, 10:58 am PST

I know the feeling!!

         My boyfriend and I have been together for seven years and engaged for six. We've been living as man and wife for the last six years. He tells me that he's not ready either. I'm at the point where I'm ready to break it off. If, I'm good enough now I should be good enough to have his name. He says he doesn't understand why a piece of paper is so important. I want to be introduced as his wife. I'm to old to be just a girlfriend. I'm 45 and he is 57. We're not kids anymore. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on the subject. I'd love to hear them. Email me : tlm1961@msn.com
 
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