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(Original Air Date: 09/26/06) It’s do or die for the men today, as their partners tell them to either walk down the aisle or walk the highway! Tony and Mary have dated for 12 years, and have been engaged for eight. Mary wants to set a wedding date, but Tony says even after all these years, he’s not ready and still feels pressured to tie the knot. Does Tony fear getting married or getting married to Mary? Then, Rosanna has been dating her boyfriend, Dennis, for almost five years and says she’s tired of “playing house.” Dennis maintains that he told Rosanna from the start he didn’t want to get married. Should they just throw in the towel and move on? Plus, Robin shares some relationship tips, and the women finally take a stand and issue ultimatums for their men! Join the discussion.

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December 16, 2006, 7:01 pm PST

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What is the hang up about marriage?  I know that is such a guy thing to say.  Why is a relationship not taken as seriously or someones love is not official without that piece of paper?  I don't get the mentallity of someone saying to their boyfriend or girlfriend(rarely) that "if you don't marry me I will leave you"  What is that all about?  It just shows that the partnership is not about the love, but about the idea of having a person committed on paper.  I realize people will argue that marriage is a symbol of love and blah blah blah, but that just be-littles relationships that have the same love with no paper.  Marriage doesn't equal commitment.  Marriage doesn't make someone love, nor does it prevent from loving someone else.  Marriage does give you the excuse to be lazy in your committment.  People feel there is less work to be done, because you already have the person.  I'm not saying this is true of all marriages, if you make it work it will work, but any relationship is like that.  To bad for people that are not married because society tends to think their relationship is not as serious or committed.  Most marriage ends up in divorce because people use marriage as a way to gain finacially or to forfill that so-called missing piece of themselves.  People should be together not to gain something, but to give something.  My point is, marriage doesn't make love legitimate and people should never be pressured into it. Guys don't want to get married sometimes because things tend to change when they do.  Not only on the womens end but the guys end.  They get complacent and when that happens the relationships eventually fails. People also have such high expectations for their marriages and it's something alot of women dream of their whole lives.  When that happens, guy tend to feel as if anything less will be a burden on them.  Women don't realize the pressure of the marriage, but not committment, which are two different things.  When you find the one for you, what's the differnce if you are married or just in love together for the rest of your lives.  I personally like the pressure of having to keep my relationship fresh and have to work my butt off for someone to stay interested, because we don't have a paper tying us together.  We are together as long as we want it, not because we should or have too. I am not in the situation because my girlfriend of 8 years feels the same way.  Hey and if I get married in ten years then I least I know I will be with someone I truly know, love and am best friends with.   

 

First, I would like to say thank you for being so honest about a guy's point of view.  You bring up a lot of very good points.

 

Youre right, marriage doesn't legitimize love, but LOVE certainly legitimizes a marriage.  There are too many loveless marriages out there.  My husband was foaming at the mouth for me to graduate college so we could get married, which i insisted on before i married anyone.  Point is, he was RACING to the altar, not dragging his feet (ladies, don't settle for anything less).

 

Does your relationship change...YES, but it changes for the better. I feel more intimate and more in love than ever, and he says he feels the same way.  We didn't live together before we got married, so living together changes things, but it brings you together.

 

All relationships need maintenance like you said, even dating ones.  And a piece of paper never stops anyone from leaving, so it keeps you on your toes in that way.  But it shouldn't be so hard, be yourself, but don't neglect any relationship.

 

Signing a piece of paper should be the easiest thing you ever do...signing your life away without worry is such a deep act of love and faith that only someone who really loves you could do it.

 

Okay, that was a really girly thing to say, worse than Hallmark, so i'll go, but good points, man!

 
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December 16, 2006, 11:18 pm PST

What is important...

What is important to one person, may not be to another.  There is nothing wrong with that.   I happen to hold marriage in high regard.  I have been married, and although now divorced, it was what both of us wanted at the time.  When you enter a relationship, you should be able to communicate with your partner about everything - the past, present and future issues.  I believe it is important to know that you both are at least "on the same page" when it comes to thoughts of marriage and not find out that you aren't ten years down the track.  I personally think, that if you love each other, marriage would be the next step.   For those that say that it is "just a piece of paper", then maybe they shouldn't consider marriage, but they should make sure that they find a partner that thinks alike so there are no disappointments for either partner. 
 
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December 16, 2006, 11:56 pm PST

YUUUUCK

This is certainly one of the saddest topics for any guy to read.  Marriage is a complete financial, emotional, and social negative for any male.  Whatever it might have been in the past, (if any better) it's now about woman who make less money than you, have less education, are younger and have less job experiance, taking your wallet and house when the leave with YOUR kids.

 

I can't believe any man would put up with any woman who wanted him to sign a poison oppressive contract like anglo-saxon marriage.

 

This institution should be dumped like it's other great 19th century peculiar institution, slavery.

 
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December 17, 2006, 1:00 pm PST

12/20 Marry Me or Else!

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This is certainly one of the saddest topics for any guy to read.  Marriage is a complete financial, emotional, and social negative for any male.  Whatever it might have been in the past, (if any better) it's now about woman who make less money than you, have less education, are younger and have less job experiance, taking your wallet and house when the leave with YOUR kids.

 

I can't believe any man would put up with any woman who wanted him to sign a poison oppressive contract like anglo-saxon marriage.

 

This institution should be dumped like it's other great 19th century peculiar institution, slavery.

You sound like a very bitter man who has been hurt by some selfish female and for that I am sorry but there are some wonderful women out there as well as some great men who love the idea of marriage, it's a beautiful experioence when there is love, respect, honor, trust, communication, working together, and so much more. When I first met and started dating myhusband, he had no job, when we did marry, he was making min. wage, I am the one who was bringing int he money and he was the one who wasn't so sure about marriage, as a matter of fact, I have more education then he does and I have a whole lot of experiences and skills. Now, my husabnd is the smart one,LOL, he is the computer geek who learns soemthing over night and all that good stuff, but whatever the case, we ahvea great marriage, soon to be 14 yeaars and still loving and respecting one another. We are both raising our children together and will as long as we are both living and our children are under our care, marriage is great, it's just a  matter of whether or not the couple works together to make their marriage loving and lasting, please don't take your anger, frustrations and bitterness out on everyone else and don't blame the marriage institution for your negative experiences, it actually comes down to the two who made the vows, unfortuanetly, in this day, there are too many people who doesn't know what it means to make and keep a vow and that is the sad thing. Get some help or whatever, but don't believe for one second that everyone is going to go through what you did, or have seen in your life. I am sorry for whatever brought you to this place, but some of us are very happy and fullfilled in our marriages, it's possible, not easy but possible. :)
 
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December 17, 2006, 1:12 pm PST

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There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!!!!

But NOT EVERYONE wants it, that simple.

And why exactly do people belive that common-law couples are "playing house" that really bugs me, we have the same problems and struggles of "Married Couples" and its no easier for me to leave than anyone else, to each his or her own.

I am sure you got the 'playing house" phrase from my posting and waht I was talking about is that when one wants to marry and the other doesn't then in my eyes, that perosn who wants all the benefits of marriage but not the committment is basically "playing house". he/she wants it all, except for the whole committment and instead of caring enough for the one who does want it, they would much rather make them keep dreaming then to fullfill that dream/desire for the one who they are suppsoe to be in love with.

Now, if two peopel are ina greement and does not want to marry thent hat is a differnet story, for one is not being manipulated one way or the other. I personally was one of those women who insisted on marriage for I wanted it all, including the 100% committment. My husband had some issues that was keeping him from wanting to get married and they were holding him back from what he really desired and if I would not have insisted and stuck to my beliefs and desires, I would have been stuck ina miserable realtionship because he would have never dealt with those issues. We are all differnet int hese things but personally, I am glad I got what I wanted and really, he has everything he ever wanted and is very happy with the out come. The thing o fit is, everyone deserves to be happy and if a couple can't agree on their future, then they need to split and find some one else.

I wasn't about to settle for less then what I deserved and I advise all people to go after what you want, don't be manipulated, but a relationship is about two people, so communciate and figure out solutions that will make both parties happy and fullfilled, what's the big deal you want a committment,t hen what's wrong with taking it one step further....................................................
 
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December 17, 2006, 8:27 pm PST

mop up the yuck

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This is certainly one of the saddest topics for any guy to read.  Marriage is a complete financial, emotional, and social negative for any male.  Whatever it might have been in the past, (if any better) it's now about woman who make less money than you, have less education, are younger and have less job experiance, taking your wallet and house when the leave with YOUR kids.

 

I can't believe any man would put up with any woman who wanted him to sign a poison oppressive contract like anglo-saxon marriage.

 

This institution should be dumped like it's other great 19th century peculiar institution, slavery.

Sorry, could I get you a bandage? The only thing a man usually thinks about is himself.  Women usually have more brains and are able to multi-task more efficiently than most men. A man needs to use his brains and not his bodily functions to figure out if he is able to support himself before he even starts dating. Dating is not a meaningless activity, it is to see if you are compatible with some one who you may want as a wife, not to see how many notches you can get on your belt. Socially negative, that's what happens to a woman after thinking she has found Mr. Right decides that she will do whatever it takes, and then gets left at home because he has drinks,or a game with the boys and doesn't have time for the woman who loves him, I just hope he remembers her name when he does decide to go home. I would love to get paid for each and every job title I fulfill in a day, Mr. Trump would need to bring his checkbook. Sorry if you've gotten hurt in the past but you need to use your God given brains.
 
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December 18, 2006, 11:04 am PST

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Really, I think marriage or not is a personal decision, although I think that for legal reasons--especially if custody of kids or child support is at stake--there are some practical arguments in favor of marriage (in Texas, you can just register as a married couple at the courthouse.  It doesn't have to be a production).  If you have kids with someone, you're stuck with them to some degree for the rest of your life, anyway, because you have that in common.  (Which is why I don't understand why people have kids in unsettled relationships, but . . . it's their life, not mine.)

 

I think it's cowardly to string along someone you know wants to get married with the long engagement and "it's just a piece of paper" argument.  If you really are committed and the "piece of paper" is just trimming, then why don't you get married for the sake of your partner's happiness?  If you're not keeping one foot out the door, it shouldn't make any difference in your long-term relationship.  If you can't deal with it psychologically, admit that and stop being selfish, but don't tell the other person that it doesn't matter to you if it does (which it does, or you wouldn't be making up excuses not to do it).

 
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December 18, 2006, 3:14 pm PST

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Sorry, could I get you a bandage? The only thing a man usually thinks about is himself.  Women usually have more brains and are able to multi-task more efficiently than most men. A man needs to use his brains and not his bodily functions to figure out if he is able to support himself before he even starts dating. Dating is not a meaningless activity, it is to see if you are compatible with some one who you may want as a wife, not to see how many notches you can get on your belt. Socially negative, that's what happens to a woman after thinking she has found Mr. Right decides that she will do whatever it takes, and then gets left at home because he has drinks,or a game with the boys and doesn't have time for the woman who loves him, I just hope he remembers her name when he does decide to go home. I would love to get paid for each and every job title I fulfill in a day, Mr. Trump would need to bring his checkbook. Sorry if you've gotten hurt in the past but you need to use your God given brains.
Thankfully there are men out there who do love and respect their wives and would much rather be home with her then out partying. There's good men and women out there, just gotta be careful and know what you want and don't settle for less then you deserve. Marriage is one experience I am glad I committed to.
 
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December 18, 2006, 10:25 pm PST

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There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!!!!

But NOT EVERYONE wants it, that simple.

And why exactly do people belive that common-law couples are "playing house" that really bugs me, we have the same problems and struggles of "Married Couples" and its no easier for me to leave than anyone else, to each his or her own.

Well first of all God says that you are playing house because He tells us not to have sexual relations before marriage.  So if you are living with a man than most likely you are  having sex with him so you are already going against what God tells you to do.  Yes you still have struggles, not really all the same struggles.  Let me explain.

 

If you wait to have sex with a man before you marry him then you will build a stronger foundation.  You will get to know him, build a friendship before you become completely intimate with him.  Sex is like superglue, God intended sex to help us become more intimate with our spouses, it was a gift that we give to our husband after we are married.  If you are already living together and not married you can no longer give this gift of sex to your husband, which means it cheapens the gift of sex that God intended you to give to Him on your wedding night. 

 

Since there is not a real committment, ie marriage, yes it is a piece of paper, but it is more than that it is a committment.  It is standing before witnesses and God and saying out loud I commit my heart and my life to this person.  If you are not married you haven't done that and so that breeds an atmosphere of "this person could walk out on me at anytime", which creates an underlying feeling of distrust.  Waiting for marriage to have sex or living with your husband to be, allows yourself to know that your future spouse is willing to sacrifice for you by waiting for your hand in marriage.  If a person is not going to sacrifice for you, that means put your needs above their own before marriage, then they probably won't do it in marriage. 

 

You have the same struggles,but your struggles are underlined with trust issues and committment issues which exacerbates the problems, you can't see it, but your heart knows it and it is felt in your spirit, that is how God wired us.  You can try to do things your own way, but it won't work really, there will always be an underlying sense of insecurity in the relationship. 

 

God tells us that it is never too late to do the right thing, God is longsuffering He patiently waits for us to choose His ways and when we do He blesses us for it.  The best thing you could do is to get married, if either of you can't do that then what I have written about is true, if you can than God will bless your marriage.  God is for marriage He is not for living together.  God is not a killjoy, He wants the best for us, He knows what is best for us because He created us.  And if you want to know how something works look to the inventor you will get all the answers. 

 

His best is that you get married.  If your mate will not marry you then ask him to move out, yes it will be a hardship on both of you, but you know what? God will provide for you in amazing ways, just honor our Lord Jesus Christ and He will honor you back.  God doesn't promise that we will never have hardship, but He does promise that if we do things His way He will reveal Himself to us more and more and direct our lives more and more to His ways, which are always better than our own.  God uses trials to strengthen us and He will use this trial to strengthen each of you to make you more like Him. 

 

 

 
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December 19, 2006, 6:24 am PST

come on, now...

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Well first of all God says that you are playing house because He tells us not to have sexual relations before marriage.  So if you are living with a man than most likely you are  having sex with him so you are already going against what God tells you to do.  Yes you still have struggles, not really all the same struggles.  Let me explain.

 

If you wait to have sex with a man before you marry him then you will build a stronger foundation.  You will get to know him, build a friendship before you become completely intimate with him.  Sex is like superglue, God intended sex to help us become more intimate with our spouses, it was a gift that we give to our husband after we are married.  If you are already living together and not married you can no longer give this gift of sex to your husband, which means it cheapens the gift of sex that God intended you to give to Him on your wedding night. 

 

Since there is not a real committment, ie marriage, yes it is a piece of paper, but it is more than that it is a committment.  It is standing before witnesses and God and saying out loud I commit my heart and my life to this person.  If you are not married you haven't done that and so that breeds an atmosphere of "this person could walk out on me at anytime", which creates an underlying feeling of distrust.  Waiting for marriage to have sex or living with your husband to be, allows yourself to know that your future spouse is willing to sacrifice for you by waiting for your hand in marriage.  If a person is not going to sacrifice for you, that means put your needs above their own before marriage, then they probably won't do it in marriage. 

 

You have the same struggles,but your struggles are underlined with trust issues and committment issues which exacerbates the problems, you can't see it, but your heart knows it and it is felt in your spirit, that is how God wired us.  You can try to do things your own way, but it won't work really, there will always be an underlying sense of insecurity in the relationship. 

 

God tells us that it is never too late to do the right thing, God is longsuffering He patiently waits for us to choose His ways and when we do He blesses us for it.  The best thing you could do is to get married, if either of you can't do that then what I have written about is true, if you can than God will bless your marriage.  God is for marriage He is not for living together.  God is not a killjoy, He wants the best for us, He knows what is best for us because He created us.  And if you want to know how something works look to the inventor you will get all the answers. 

 

His best is that you get married.  If your mate will not marry you then ask him to move out, yes it will be a hardship on both of you, but you know what? God will provide for you in amazing ways, just honor our Lord Jesus Christ and He will honor you back.  God doesn't promise that we will never have hardship, but He does promise that if we do things His way He will reveal Himself to us more and more and direct our lives more and more to His ways, which are always better than our own.  God uses trials to strengthen us and He will use this trial to strengthen each of you to make you more like Him. 

 

 

 I'm a Christian too, but the poster you responded to doesn't have the same beliefs.  I don't think a religious diatribe is going to endear her to you, but drive her away.  God doesn't want someone to love him because they HAVE to, but because they want to, it's the gift of free will.

 

That applies to the marriage thing, you don't want someone forced into an unhappy relationship when they're not ready.  They have to come together mutually, with no qualms or hesitations.  Otherwise, the relationship is a joke, all one-sided.  Anyway, just a fellow Christian's thought.

 
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