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(Original Air Date: 09/26/06) It’s do or die for the men today, as their partners tell them to either walk down the aisle or walk the highway! Tony and Mary have dated for 12 years, and have been engaged for eight. Mary wants to set a wedding date, but Tony says even after all these years, he’s not ready and still feels pressured to tie the knot. Does Tony fear getting married or getting married to Mary? Then, Rosanna has been dating her boyfriend, Dennis, for almost five years and says she’s tired of “playing house.” Dennis maintains that he told Rosanna from the start he didn’t want to get married. Should they just throw in the towel and move on? Plus, Robin shares some relationship tips, and the women finally take a stand and issue ultimatums for their men! Join the discussion.

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December 19, 2006, 6:24 am PST

come on, now...

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Well first of all God says that you are playing house because He tells us not to have sexual relations before marriage.  So if you are living with a man than most likely you are  having sex with him so you are already going against what God tells you to do.  Yes you still have struggles, not really all the same struggles.  Let me explain.

 

If you wait to have sex with a man before you marry him then you will build a stronger foundation.  You will get to know him, build a friendship before you become completely intimate with him.  Sex is like superglue, God intended sex to help us become more intimate with our spouses, it was a gift that we give to our husband after we are married.  If you are already living together and not married you can no longer give this gift of sex to your husband, which means it cheapens the gift of sex that God intended you to give to Him on your wedding night. 

 

Since there is not a real committment, ie marriage, yes it is a piece of paper, but it is more than that it is a committment.  It is standing before witnesses and God and saying out loud I commit my heart and my life to this person.  If you are not married you haven't done that and so that breeds an atmosphere of "this person could walk out on me at anytime", which creates an underlying feeling of distrust.  Waiting for marriage to have sex or living with your husband to be, allows yourself to know that your future spouse is willing to sacrifice for you by waiting for your hand in marriage.  If a person is not going to sacrifice for you, that means put your needs above their own before marriage, then they probably won't do it in marriage. 

 

You have the same struggles,but your struggles are underlined with trust issues and committment issues which exacerbates the problems, you can't see it, but your heart knows it and it is felt in your spirit, that is how God wired us.  You can try to do things your own way, but it won't work really, there will always be an underlying sense of insecurity in the relationship. 

 

God tells us that it is never too late to do the right thing, God is longsuffering He patiently waits for us to choose His ways and when we do He blesses us for it.  The best thing you could do is to get married, if either of you can't do that then what I have written about is true, if you can than God will bless your marriage.  God is for marriage He is not for living together.  God is not a killjoy, He wants the best for us, He knows what is best for us because He created us.  And if you want to know how something works look to the inventor you will get all the answers. 

 

His best is that you get married.  If your mate will not marry you then ask him to move out, yes it will be a hardship on both of you, but you know what? God will provide for you in amazing ways, just honor our Lord Jesus Christ and He will honor you back.  God doesn't promise that we will never have hardship, but He does promise that if we do things His way He will reveal Himself to us more and more and direct our lives more and more to His ways, which are always better than our own.  God uses trials to strengthen us and He will use this trial to strengthen each of you to make you more like Him. 

 

 

 I'm a Christian too, but the poster you responded to doesn't have the same beliefs.  I don't think a religious diatribe is going to endear her to you, but drive her away.  God doesn't want someone to love him because they HAVE to, but because they want to, it's the gift of free will.

 

That applies to the marriage thing, you don't want someone forced into an unhappy relationship when they're not ready.  They have to come together mutually, with no qualms or hesitations.  Otherwise, the relationship is a joke, all one-sided.  Anyway, just a fellow Christian's thought.

 
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December 19, 2006, 6:26 pm PST

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Well first of all God says that you are playing house because He tells us not to have sexual relations before marriage.  So if you are living with a man than most likely you are  having sex with him so you are already going against what God tells you to do.  Yes you still have struggles, not really all the same struggles.  Let me explain.

 

If you wait to have sex with a man before you marry him then you will build a stronger foundation.  You will get to know him, build a friendship before you become completely intimate with him.  Sex is like superglue, God intended sex to help us become more intimate with our spouses, it was a gift that we give to our husband after we are married.  If you are already living together and not married you can no longer give this gift of sex to your husband, which means it cheapens the gift of sex that God intended you to give to Him on your wedding night. 

 

Since there is not a real committment, ie marriage, yes it is a piece of paper, but it is more than that it is a committment.  It is standing before witnesses and God and saying out loud I commit my heart and my life to this person.  If you are not married you haven't done that and so that breeds an atmosphere of "this person could walk out on me at anytime", which creates an underlying feeling of distrust.  Waiting for marriage to have sex or living with your husband to be, allows yourself to know that your future spouse is willing to sacrifice for you by waiting for your hand in marriage.  If a person is not going to sacrifice for you, that means put your needs above their own before marriage, then they probably won't do it in marriage. 

 

You have the same struggles,but your struggles are underlined with trust issues and committment issues which exacerbates the problems, you can't see it, but your heart knows it and it is felt in your spirit, that is how God wired us.  You can try to do things your own way, but it won't work really, there will always be an underlying sense of insecurity in the relationship. 

 

God tells us that it is never too late to do the right thing, God is longsuffering He patiently waits for us to choose His ways and when we do He blesses us for it.  The best thing you could do is to get married, if either of you can't do that then what I have written about is true, if you can than God will bless your marriage.  God is for marriage He is not for living together.  God is not a killjoy, He wants the best for us, He knows what is best for us because He created us.  And if you want to know how something works look to the inventor you will get all the answers. 

 

His best is that you get married.  If your mate will not marry you then ask him to move out, yes it will be a hardship on both of you, but you know what? God will provide for you in amazing ways, just honor our Lord Jesus Christ and He will honor you back.  God doesn't promise that we will never have hardship, but He does promise that if we do things His way He will reveal Himself to us more and more and direct our lives more and more to His ways, which are always better than our own.  God uses trials to strengthen us and He will use this trial to strengthen each of you to make you more like Him. 

 

 

God does not fix people's problems and believing that he does, I think will lead people to disappointment.

 

You talk about the woman giving sex as a gift to a man. Is sex a gift for a woman from a man?  And why do you only talk about it being a gift for a man?  You make it sound like men can have sex before marriage, but women can't because it's a "gift" for the husband. 

 

And if it's true, that the poster you are responding to is not Christian....then I agree that this will not convince them to get married.  You see, there are many other religions out there and not all believe the same thing.  This is simply YOUR point of view and I don't think it will help the other poster at all.  You sound more like you are preaching than giving advice.

 

I say, that as long as two people are living together and if they don't want to get married, then they shouldn't.  What's the big deal?  So they live together, but aren't married.......who cares?  If they are happy and it is not a problem for BOTH of them, I say let them be.  However, if one wants an acknowledged relationship (marriage) and the other doesn't then there is a problem.  I can't tell anyone what to do, but I can say that if they know what they want, they'll probably know what to do.

 
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December 19, 2006, 8:50 pm PST

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God does not fix people's problems and believing that he does, I think will lead people to disappointment.

 

You talk about the woman giving sex as a gift to a man. Is sex a gift for a woman from a man?  And why do you only talk about it being a gift for a man?  You make it sound like men can have sex before marriage, but women can't because it's a "gift" for the husband. 

 

And if it's true, that the poster you are responding to is not Christian....then I agree that this will not convince them to get married.  You see, there are many other religions out there and not all believe the same thing.  This is simply YOUR point of view and I don't think it will help the other poster at all.  You sound more like you are preaching than giving advice.

 

I say, that as long as two people are living together and if they don't want to get married, then they shouldn't.  What's the big deal?  So they live together, but aren't married.......who cares?  If they are happy and it is not a problem for BOTH of them, I say let them be.  However, if one wants an acknowledged relationship (marriage) and the other doesn't then there is a problem.  I can't tell anyone what to do, but I can say that if they know what they want, they'll probably know what to do.

You are right, God does not fix our problems, He patiently waits for us to do things His way and then He honors us for our decision.  I talked about the women giving sex as a gift, but it also applies to the man as well.  If God says to wait to have sex until after you are married, common sense tells you that He is talking about both the man and woman because we don't marry ourselves.  Okay I didn't implicitly state that, but that is what I meant to say.

 

This is not MY point of view, this is God's point of view.  And whenever anyone reads God's point of view, especially if they are not Christian, will always see it as preaching.  My point is not in giving advice,but in calling attention to what God thinks about marriage.  I realize that people have all different kinds of beliefs, but God doesn't care about that, what He cares about is the truth and that is what I wrote about, His truth. Just so happens I agree with His truth.  If you don't like His truths then don't read or respond to my post. 

 

Who cares is God, He cares what we do with every aspect of our lives.  YOU may not agree with that, but it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, it is the TRUTH.  Jesus says I am the TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE!

 

You can't tell anyone what to do nor can I, but I can tell them what God thinks about the matter.  If they so choose to heed what He thinks then they will be blessed for it, but if they choose not to then that is their choice.  God gave us all free will, which means we have the right to choose His ways or our ways.

 

I simply posted God's point of view and hopefully they will consider His point of view, if not then they are exercising their free will that God gave them.

 
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December 19, 2006, 9:06 pm PST

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 I'm a Christian too, but the poster you responded to doesn't have the same beliefs.  I don't think a religious diatribe is going to endear her to you, but drive her away.  God doesn't want someone to love him because they HAVE to, but because they want to, it's the gift of free will.

 

That applies to the marriage thing, you don't want someone forced into an unhappy relationship when they're not ready.  They have to come together mutually, with no qualms or hesitations.  Otherwise, the relationship is a joke, all one-sided.  Anyway, just a fellow Christian's thought.

Great you are a christian too! Praise be to God!  I realize that the person I responded to does not have the same beliefs.  I responded with what God thinks about marriage.Sometimes there are people out there who need to know God's truths about marriage.  I speak boldly for Christ and christians such as yourself should not come against me.  We do not know how close or how far a person is from receiving Christ, it is our responsibility to share the messages of the gospel.  This message just happened to be about marriage. 

 

I NEVER said anything about anyone having to love Him--why did you add that into your post.  I talked about how God views marriage, that's it!

 

If two people are living together and they are happy then God would rather have them married.  If they do not marry each other He would rather have them not living together.  Where did I say that people should live in an unhappy marriage? 

 

My post simply stated God's views on marriage because He is the one who originally instituted marriage, not man!!  I realize anyone reading my post who is not a believer is going to be offended, but that's okay because you know as a fellow believer that just mentioning the name of Jesus offends people.  I was delivering God's viewpoint, not my own.  As you stated people have free will, they can choose to read about God's viewpoint on marriage or they can ignore it.  If they ignore it then they will suffer the consequences associated with that. 

 

I am also not saying that all who are not married and live together are unhappy.  The issue is not about being happy or unhappy, the issue is about living our lives God's way or our own way. 

 

 

 
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December 19, 2006, 9:49 pm PST

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You are right, God does not fix our problems, He patiently waits for us to do things His way and then He honors us for our decision.  I talked about the women giving sex as a gift, but it also applies to the man as well.  If God says to wait to have sex until after you are married, common sense tells you that He is talking about both the man and woman because we don't marry ourselves.  Okay I didn't implicitly state that, but that is what I meant to say.

 

This is not MY point of view, this is God's point of view.  And whenever anyone reads God's point of view, especially if they are not Christian, will always see it as preaching.  My point is not in giving advice,but in calling attention to what God thinks about marriage.  I realize that people have all different kinds of beliefs, but God doesn't care about that, what He cares about is the truth and that is what I wrote about, His truth. Just so happens I agree with His truth.  If you don't like His truths then don't read or respond to my post. 

 

Who cares is God, He cares what we do with every aspect of our lives.  YOU may not agree with that, but it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, it is the TRUTH.  Jesus says I am the TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE!

 

You can't tell anyone what to do nor can I, but I can tell them what God thinks about the matter.  If they so choose to heed what He thinks then they will be blessed for it, but if they choose not to then that is their choice.  God gave us all free will, which means we have the right to choose His ways or our ways.

 

I simply posted God's point of view and hopefully they will consider His point of view, if not then they are exercising their free will that God gave them.

My point is not in giving advice,but in calling attention to what God thinks about marriage.

 

This is what I thought was preaching.  You were not offering advice, instead you were telling them what God expects of them, there is a difference.  And that's fine, but I think people are more interested in hearing about other peoples advice, real life experience, not about what some higher power expects from them.  People like to relate to others.

 

I'm sorry if my post came off a little harsh, that was not my intent.  You have the right to post whatever you want, I was only trying to explain that people would like to hear from you, or other posters about  thoughts, not about what God wants or created us to do.

 

And I will continue to read your posts if I happen to come across them.  Just because we don't agree doesn't mean we can't be tolerant of each other. =)

 
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December 20, 2006, 12:17 am PST

Amen!

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Thankfully there are men out there who do love and respect their wives and would much rather be home with her then out partying. There's good men and women out there, just gotta be careful and know what you want and don't settle for less then you deserve. Marriage is one experience I am glad I committed to.
Great post!  People who are recently scorned often generalize the malice of the opposite sex as a manner of defense.  Just wait until someone new comes along and captures their interest they may find a change of heart.
 
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December 20, 2006, 3:23 am PST

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What is important to one person, may not be to another.  There is nothing wrong with that.   I happen to hold marriage in high regard.  I have been married, and although now divorced, it was what both of us wanted at the time.  When you enter a relationship, you should be able to communicate with your partner about everything - the past, present and future issues.  I believe it is important to know that you both are at least "on the same page" when it comes to thoughts of marriage and not find out that you aren't ten years down the track.  I personally think, that if you love each other, marriage would be the next step.   For those that say that it is "just a piece of paper", then maybe they shouldn't consider marriage, but they should make sure that they find a partner that thinks alike so there are no disappointments for either partner. 
 I don't believe in shacking up, but I don't tell others what to do, nor do I comment on their lives and what they have chosen to do. However, I have to agree with your post. People should be able to communicate.

I don't understand waiting so many years for some man to "come around". To me, that would not be a fullfilling relationship, where you had to basically force the person to marry you. These women on the show wasted so many years on guys who never wanted to marry them. They only wanted the "perks". I think they are disgusting for stringing these gals along, but the gals also have some responsibility for their situation. Sad all around.

The only thing that peeves me about couples who are living together is when they refer to themselves as married. They are not marred and very few states recognize Common Law marriage (and shouldn't anyway, IMO).
 
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December 20, 2006, 3:27 am PST

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i dont know what the big deal is with getting married.  spending all this time worrying about a piece of paper which means absolutely nothing.  i dont get it.
That is your opinion. That piece of paper means a lot to some people.
 
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December 20, 2006, 6:18 am PST

ultimatums ?

 I will never understand why people think it's a good idea to demand something. Most humans are stubborn, and will just entrench when pushed. If someone doesn't want to marry you then you have to determine if it's you, or the timing, or something they will never want to do. You could harass someone into it, but that is a recipe for divorce, and who wants someone to marry them for those reasons anyway. People say what they want by their behaviour if not the words. Eight years of engagement without a move forward speaks volumes.

 I know several people that have married because they felt forced into it. They are all either miserable or in the midst of separation and/or divorce. They all say the same thing, "I didn't want to but..." 

 I had a friend that wanted to get married. She dragged her man to her priest for marital counseling. The priest told them after several months that in all good conscience he could not marry them. She flipped out and went ahead with it anyway at another church. Her husband filed for divorce a year after the marriage.

 If you are a 'good Catholic' like she always insisted she was then why did she not listen to her priest? She didn't get married in the Catholic church but another Christian church. Now she's ticked off at her priest because he won't marry her and her new man in the catholic church because in the sight of god she's still married. It all confuses me. If she had just listened to her priest, and her man, in the first place it wouldn't be such a tangled nightmare. The priest has been her priest for over 30 years, and all religious requirements aside he knew you cannot brow beat someone into marriage and expect it to work.

I told her the priest isn't there to accommodate her desires and find some way to twist the catholic doctrine to suit her, and that she'd better start adhering to her religion or finding a new one. And, by the way, (she had me on a self righteous role) how "good catholic" was it of you to have sex before marriage, have an abortion when we were in college, and disrespect your parents, and live with an atheist? She's not speaking to me at the moment. I love her, she makes me laugh, but she really needs to learn the world doesn't turn for her... divorced woman and lapsed catholic that she is.

 
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December 20, 2006, 6:32 am PST

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Great you are a christian too! Praise be to God!  I realize that the person I responded to does not have the same beliefs.  I responded with what God thinks about marriage.Sometimes there are people out there who need to know God's truths about marriage.  I speak boldly for Christ and christians such as yourself should not come against me.  We do not know how close or how far a person is from receiving Christ, it is our responsibility to share the messages of the gospel.  This message just happened to be about marriage. 

 

I NEVER said anything about anyone having to love Him--why did you add that into your post.  I talked about how God views marriage, that's it!

 

If two people are living together and they are happy then God would rather have them married.  If they do not marry each other He would rather have them not living together.  Where did I say that people should live in an unhappy marriage? 

 

My post simply stated God's views on marriage because He is the one who originally instituted marriage, not man!!  I realize anyone reading my post who is not a believer is going to be offended, but that's okay because you know as a fellow believer that just mentioning the name of Jesus offends people.  I was delivering God's viewpoint, not my own.  As you stated people have free will, they can choose to read about God's viewpoint on marriage or they can ignore it.  If they ignore it then they will suffer the consequences associated with that. 

 

I am also not saying that all who are not married and live together are unhappy.  The issue is not about being happy or unhappy, the issue is about living our lives God's way or our own way. 

 

 

I didn't have a problem with you spreading the message.  What I did take issue with was the way you did it.  I don't think a nonChristian would respond well to paternalistic sermons.  I never said i was okay with her situation, but as Christians, we should use tact.

 

It seemed that you were trying to force something on someone, when that is not the way to recruit anybody.  They have to take Christ into themselves and want to change and transform their lives.

 

I was talking about the marriage thing, because our relationship with Christ is mirrowed in our marital relationships, and also ties into the topic of the show.

 

As a Christian, I'm not "going against you" but merely questioning your approach to the poster as something that would draw her in, or drive her away, and it seemed that it would more likely repel someone, than draw them in.

 

I'm trying to relieve the conflict and make peace, because she is our sister, and the peace leads her to us.

 
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