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Topic : 12/20 Marry Me or Else!

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(Original Air Date: 09/26/06) It’s do or die for the men today, as their partners tell them to either walk down the aisle or walk the highway! Tony and Mary have dated for 12 years, and have been engaged for eight. Mary wants to set a wedding date, but Tony says even after all these years, he’s not ready and still feels pressured to tie the knot. Does Tony fear getting married or getting married to Mary? Then, Rosanna has been dating her boyfriend, Dennis, for almost five years and says she’s tired of “playing house.” Dennis maintains that he told Rosanna from the start he didn’t want to get married. Should they just throw in the towel and move on? Plus, Robin shares some relationship tips, and the women finally take a stand and issue ultimatums for their men! Join the discussion.

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December 20, 2006, 10:39 am PST

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What is wrong with wanting that complete thing...paper, flowers, family...the whole works...if he loves you it can come with a piece of paper and it is such a small deed to do for love...that is all I have to say.  Amen...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as everyone involved is on the same page.

 
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December 20, 2006, 11:25 am PST

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as everyone involved is on the same page.

I totally agree. I cannot fathom why someone would think pressuring someone into a huge legal commitment like that  is a good idea!
 
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December 20, 2006, 11:37 am PST

Frustrated....

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I didn't have a problem with you spreading the message.  What I did take issue with was the way you did it.  I don't think a nonChristian would respond well to paternalistic sermons.  I never said i was okay with her situation, but as Christians, we should use tact.

 

It seemed that you were trying to force something on someone, when that is not the way to recruit anybody.  They have to take Christ into themselves and want to change and transform their lives.

 

I was talking about the marriage thing, because our relationship with Christ is mirrowed in our marital relationships, and also ties into the topic of the show.

 

As a Christian, I'm not "going against you" but merely questioning your approach to the poster as something that would draw her in, or drive her away, and it seemed that it would more likely repel someone, than draw them in.

 

I'm trying to relieve the conflict and make peace, because she is our sister, and the peace leads her to us.

I find it annoying when others say "God wants you to do this".  You do not know that for sure, you really do not.  Living together before marriage has got to be one of the smartest ways to go about it.  Of course not for EVERYONE, some people will disagree of course.  It is important to do what is right for YOU and your partner.  But it seems these days we have evolved, and evolving is fantastic.  Change is a good thing, it helps us grow and mature.  People who cannot see that have very closed minds.  Not living together before marriage is a thing of the past.  We have evolved to recognize that moving in together and then getting married if both people see fit, is definitely the way to go. 

 

What if you get married and once you are living together you cannot stand eachother?  I'm not talking about minor problems that can be solved, or even major problems that can be solved.  You could realize you've made an awful mistake.  Why not realize that before you walk down the isle?  Be smart!  Check out your options before marriage. 

 

I'm not saying everyone should live together before marriage.  I just don't think it's right to say that that is wrong "according to God".  I don't care if you do not live together before, so you should not care if I do.

 

Don't even get me started on the "no sex before marriage" nonsense.  Wow.  I can't even imagine how many people get married only to realize there is nothing there physically....

 

Anyway, do what is right for you, but saving big events until after marriage, in my opinion, is asking for trouble.

 

 

 
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December 20, 2006, 12:01 pm PST

A Piece of Paper??

I have read on this board a few times that marriage is a piece of paper… I am….well a little disturbed by that!!  Marriage is soooo much MORE than paper!  But I suppose if that is how you view marriage and marriage vows then perhaps…. You are correct in NEVER being MARRIED!!   I think it is sad that in today society, we just don’t  place value on marriage, it is disposable.  I think it is fabulous!!  Perhaps I am just lucky that my husband and I do not have a simple piece of paper as our glue!!  Good luck to you all!!

 
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December 20, 2006, 12:15 pm PST

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It is what you make of it. I can't even tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing (with me) or reiterating. I don't think it was ever supposed to be a symbol just proof of the deed. Maybe it has become a symbol for some?
On this issue our thinking is very similar.  For some I think it has become a symbol.  My main point beyond what you had said though dealt with legalities.  If you are ever involved in a transfer of property for example, the marriage certificate saves a lot on red tape.
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:22 pm PST

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This is certainly one of the saddest topics for any guy to read.  Marriage is a complete financial, emotional, and social negative for any male.  Whatever it might have been in the past, (if any better) it's now about woman who make less money than you, have less education, are younger and have less job experiance, taking your wallet and house when the leave with YOUR kids.

 

I can't believe any man would put up with any woman who wanted him to sign a poison oppressive contract like anglo-saxon marriage.

 

This institution should be dumped like it's other great 19th century peculiar institution, slavery.

Speak for yourself.  I love my marriage.  By the way, when did marriage become Anglo-Saxon?  While we're at it, I do hope you know your referrence to 19th century institutions is so historically inaccurate it's comical.
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:25 pm PST

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If you haven't been able to get married after 13 years, "he's just not that into you!" 

 

Be Strong Women!!!  You don't need to have a man to be a good woman, or to have value.  You can be a whole person without a man in your life.  Don't make a man validate you.  Have confidence to live your own life the way you want to. 

 

I am 56 years old, and I just got married for the first time last year.  I wasn't looking, I was completely confident in who I was, and I was very happy spending time with myself.  I am happy being married, but my husband does not define me as a person.  I am able to do whatever it is I want to do, but we also have a lot of fun together.

 

Find someone who wants to settle down.  Believe me they are out there.  It is extremely difficult.  But, what have you got to loose?

I am a 55 year old male and am happily married.  I got it right when I found a strong woman.  Here's to strong women!
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:26 pm PST

Does he cherish you?

That's the question Helen Gurley Brown asked in one of her books. It's the most important question you can ask yourself before marriage. Not what does he look like or how much does he make but "Does he cherish me?" If he isn't begging you to marry him within the first year then he's clearly waiting for someone better to come along or else, like the man on today's show, he loves his money more than you. Every woman in the world deserves to be cherished and valued. Count yourself lucky he didn't marry you just to keep the peace and run away as fast as you can. The one who will truly love you is out there waiting.
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:27 pm PST

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I find it annoying when others say "God wants you to do this".  You do not know that for sure, you really do not.  Living together before marriage has got to be one of the smartest ways to go about it.  Of course not for EVERYONE, some people will disagree of course.  It is important to do what is right for YOU and your partner.  But it seems these days we have evolved, and evolving is fantastic.  Change is a good thing, it helps us grow and mature.  People who cannot see that have very closed minds.  Not living together before marriage is a thing of the past.  We have evolved to recognize that moving in together and then getting married if both people see fit, is definitely the way to go. 

 

What if you get married and once you are living together you cannot stand eachother?  I'm not talking about minor problems that can be solved, or even major problems that can be solved.  You could realize you've made an awful mistake.  Why not realize that before you walk down the isle?  Be smart!  Check out your options before marriage. 

 

I'm not saying everyone should live together before marriage.  I just don't think it's right to say that that is wrong "according to God".  I don't care if you do not live together before, so you should not care if I do.

 

Don't even get me started on the "no sex before marriage" nonsense.  Wow.  I can't even imagine how many people get married only to realize there is nothing there physically....

 

Anyway, do what is right for you, but saving big events until after marriage, in my opinion, is asking for trouble.

 

 

I think you spoke for many of us.  Go get 'em!
 
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December 20, 2006, 12:40 pm PST

red tape

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On this issue our thinking is very similar.  For some I think it has become a symbol.  My main point beyond what you had said though dealt with legalities.  If you are ever involved in a transfer of property for example, the marriage certificate saves a lot on red tape.

My ex husband's grandfather married his grandmother on DEC 31, so he could claim her on his taxes for the year without having the responsibilities. They were unhappily married for 70 years. That is in response to your red tape comment which made me think of it. The family was equal parts horrified and disgusted (hers), and amused (his). It adds nothing to the discussion, and is just an aside.

 
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