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Created on : Friday, September 22, 2006, 12:21:33 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/27/06) Parents, you might be your kids' drug dealer. They could be getting high from products in your pantry, under your sink, or in your medicine cabinet. Dana says her 16-year-old son, Josh, has been experimenting with over-the-counter drugs. She says he's downed bottles of NyQuil, packs of cold pills and an entire bottle of mouthwash -- all in an effort to get high. See what drastic measures she took to bring Josh to the show. Then, 21-year-old Christina says she can't start her day without taking half a bottle of cough medicine. Her four-year addiction to robo-tripping is spiraling so far out of control, she fears her days are numbered. What will it take for Christina to kick her habit? Plus, a mom whose son died from an overdose of over-the-counter drugs shares her tragic story.  Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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September 29, 2006, 5:27 pm PDT

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I know that I am not an expert- however I beleive my son turned to drugs because he suffers from anxiety disorder. In april of this year he was diagnosed with that. He has been going to  therapy because of that. He also spent 3 weeks in an outpaitient program which helped him to deal with his anxiety. He is also being treated with medication for the anxiety. I also beleive that his anxiety, led to depression which then in turn lead him to the drugs.

At this point we cannot talk to each other because it only ends up in an argument and I end up walking out or calling the police. Since we are going for therapy I am hoping and praying that we can get our issues resolved. The main issue I know we will have to work on is trust. When he completed his drug rehab we were advised that we need to begin trusting him. My husband and I both agreed that we would give him back his computer, however he had stipulations on what he could and could not do on his computer. As untrusting (if that is a real word) parents we decided to install a program on his computer which logs his activity. Sadly, he overstepped his boundries and the computer and internet access was taken away from him. We tried again to no avail. He is going to have to be the one to make a change, but at this point I don't see that happening over night.

I would say to him those are pretty heavy statements of accusation and you feel he owes you some insight into them so you may improve yourself, if nothing else.

 

Dr. Phil has often said replace a bad habit with a good one. I found I was able to get off a pot addiction (30 years ago) by getting into a physical activity and having some goals in that regard. Does your son want to get off drugs, and if not, what is his reasoning?

 

I also remember being anxious at one point. Offer him a safe haven, your house or otherwise. I believe a pyschiatrist told my father I was a good boy and to be kind to me. Kindness works wonders. I ended up living with my parents for the next 30 years and cared for them both during the five years they each needed it. They both basically died in the house and the journey of those years was very gratifying. We have kids in a crazy world and expect them to somehow adjust and be happy with it. In truth you have kids for yourself and given the circumstances it is logical for them to ask why. In ages past families stayed together and didn't have to seek out strange and removed friendships. The money I saved in rent was extraordinary and life has turned out very nicely for me. I thank my parents for that as well as the pleasure of their company through those years. This is from a guy who once was so stoned during the day he slept down on the embankment of a freeway just to have a place where he couldn't be found out.

 
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September 29, 2006, 9:53 pm PDT

NO WAY!

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For all the parents out there who have children that have had issues with drugs -

 

Do you allow your children to continue to hang with the kids he/she was hanging with when your child was using drugs?

When a person goes into treatment for anything from Alcohol, Drugs, Gambling etc-one of the biggest issues is "what about my friends?"  You need to have a united front with your family to continue the treatment after leaving the facility-going to meetings, random drug tests, one on one counseling for the addict and the family members.  It is very hard because the addict cannot see that the "friend" was actually part of the problem by enabling-whether it be by supplying, or denying to the parent/guardian of the addict.  Here is an example that I have seen:

The parent/family of the addict contacts the other parent/family of the friends.  Tell them that the child is being treated for the addiction-go into details-pot, OTC meds, etc-give dates and places where child was getting the items.  Explain that until further notice, you do not want their child to contact the addict. No email, phone calls, pages, text messages, letters, contact through other friends etc.  Explain that under no circumstances will any of those things be allowed to take place.  Also, be prepared to get a temporary restraining order.  This can and has been done.  (Check with the laws in your town/state/provience) .   Most parents will have no problem with your requests, but  Be ready for the whole "not my kid, my kid would never do that, you are pushing your problems on my child etc".  Turn to the support network through the treatment facility/support group-ALANON, AA, etc .  There are plenty of other parents that have gone through this and are more than happy to support you in protecting your child.   If you have to, as I have seen send a certified letter in the mail to the childs parents, explaining what has gone on if it is too hard to face them.  I have seen parents who have taken the friends to funeral homes and asked them to pick out what they wanted their friend to be buried in and if they want matching caskets because that is where their child is headed if they do not get treatment. 

Unless that child and their parent/guardian is prepared to go to the meetings and abide by your rules, then they have no business in your childs life.  Have a unitied  front with your family to protect the child. 

 

 
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September 30, 2006, 5:07 am PDT

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Kids die from over the counter meds because of misinformation. They watch the news, or read an article in the paper, or browse the internet, and see all this hype about cough syrup. All of these sites claiming that there is a rampant outbreak of "OTC" drug abuse.

So lets take Timmy here -->:), Timmy wants to try something new, he watches the news, "kids getting "high" on nyquil and other allergy medicines", so timmy goes down to the store, buys some crap, drinks it, pops it, and dies. Very sad. Maybe if he knew that he could try a drug safely,  (because try to be honest with yourself for a moment), because most drugs ARE safe to do, he might not have died. He might have known that antihistamines and decongestants kill you, and know that there are only about 5 or 6 out of the 60 some cough medicine preperations that are safer (without extra ingredients) can get intoxicated from without dieing, he might have known what to look for. Instead you are all lumping it together, do you even know what chemical kids look for in cough syrup? Probably not, you probably havnt researched the subject at all, you would rather all sit around at your computer, typing in your pearls of wisdom and shoulders to cry on to one another about you sob stories of failed parenting. I dont know any of you personally, and thats unfortunate, because I'm sure you are all wonderful mothers and fathers and what not. The thing that surprises, and scares me the most though, is how much you all buy into this stuff. Your taking one thing (dextromethorphan), and blending it with another(heroin and crack.) And this story with Christina, or whatever her name is, its a hoax, a story, its propoganda. No DXM abuser would drink two ounces of syrup a day for 4 years, it makes no sense, that wouldnt make sense with any kind of drug abuser. Theres such a thing called tolerance everyone, even for a first timer, 2 oz. would rarely give anyone a "buzz" or "high drunk feeliung" or whatever it is you people think it does.

This "OTC" craze makes no sense at all, google "DXM", and get some real information,  this web site is so completely skewed and misinformed ive been doing a lot of laughing. But the chances are that this message will be deleted shortly so i dont upset anyone, or it might not make it to the boards at all and filtered out. So this was a waste of my time i suppose, oh well, at least i got that off my chest.

Best of luck to all you clueless parents. 

 
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September 30, 2006, 5:37 am PDT

kids

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Due to a prior committment, I SADLY cannot watch this show. However, I will say that as a former high school (and middle school) teacher, I have seen TOO many GOOD kids come in to school each morning under the influence. When alcohol or mary Jane is to blame, we can usually tell. But when it's something that has little smell and doesn't affect the pupils as much, it's not so easy to tell.

 

It's up to YOU PARENTS to please take time for your children. Talk with them DAILY and NIGHTLY. Lie down with them for a few minutes (at least) before they go to sleep each night. Go over their homework with them. SHOW THEM YOU CARE. If more parents would spend more time with the children they CHOSE to bring into this world, we would have much fewer SAD kids!

 

It's the unhappy kids (mainly) that are trying to find happiness in bad substances. Don't wait until it is too late. Deep down you KNOW if you're kid is happy, if he or she is hanging with a "bad crowd" and if he/she has emotional problems. If that's the case, don't sit on your hands and HOPE something will happen. Get help for YOUR CHILD and FOR YOU! You owe it to your innocent child who didn't ask to be born.

 

God bless all those parents who take time for their children and work hard to see that they are happy, healthy and well-adjusted...KUDOS to you! And God bless all those parents who are simply misguided or LOST. There IS help for you. Start seeking it...it will be worth your time!

             some parents have something to do with the way their kids choose to live their life-but not all-- im 41 and my son is23-- i have no ideal where his drug uses came from-- his dads genes--i guess-- my parenting wasnt perfect whose is- but i have no control of him-- people tell me to kick him out and some say if you do it will only make him worse-- besides me and my husband i supose my son only hangs out with drinkers and drug users-- i LOVE himSO much he wont get help-- i took his car from him -so he walks-- he wont work-- where his little bit of money he does have comes from im sure NO-GOOD. he is a machanic-- but gets fired-- because when he has money he spends it on high-- im so sad- and sick-- he is so sweet and loving and careing when hes not high or coming off of a high-- but he wont get help--he was raped when he was 15 and will not get help for that. thats why i cant kick him out-- husband might move out if i dont kick him out -my 14 yr. old daughter will be affected by this too-  DRUG ABUSE is SOOOO BADDDD it hurts so many innocent people... its been a year since hes worked-- his stepdad wants him out-- what to do - why should i have to choose- huband or son-- of course my son comes first - but will anything change if my husband leavrs... i want my son to get on with his life-- he wont change and doesnt think he has a problem
 
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September 30, 2006, 9:53 am PDT

Drug tests aren't cheap when you are a single mom with 3 kids

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AT $1,000.00 a day to seek treatment for inpatient drug rehab, a $29.99 home drug test looks pretty inexpensive to me!

Hi!  I am Stephen's mom -- the first guest on the show that Dr. Phil attacked so hard.  If I made as much money as Dr. Phil does, then maybe $29.99 x 365 days x 4 years  (a total of $43,785.40 plus tax) might seem inexpensive.  But one of the things that Dr. Phil chose NOT to tell you is that I am a single mother with 3 children.  My ex-husband doesn't pay child support and I have been unemployed for the past year and a half.  I sell on eBay just to try and pay the bills.  There are days when I can't scrape together $2.00 to give Stephen lunch money -- much less come up with $29.99 a day for drug tests that don't work. 

 

I did take Stephen to a professional clinic and have him tested.  That cost me $60 and he tested negative for everything, even after school administrators and the Sheriff's Department SWORE that he was on drugs.  If Stephen can beat that test, I know he can beat the $29.99 drug store tests, in spite of what Dr. Phil implied.

 

Another thing that was taken out of context on the show was the amount of money my son had and how I should have known that he was selling drugs because he always had more money than I did.  We weren't talking about hundreds of dollars.  I was talking about the days when I couldn't come up with $2.00 for Stephen to eat lunch.  Some days I couldn't  come up with $1.00 for Stephen to buy milk.   I felt horrible!  But when I apologized to Stephen as I tried to scrape together pennies and nickels, Stephen would hug me and say, "That's alright, Mommy.  I have money.  I can buy my own lunch today.  Don't worry about it."  He never had $50 or $100 or $200 as Dr. Phil implied.  It's just that he had $2 when I didn't.   Was that supposed to alert me that my son was selling drugs?  I don't think so.  To me it just meant that he had probably not eaten lunch earlier in the week and saved his lunch money.  But to Dr. Phil, if Stephen had $2.00 and I only had 24 cents, I should have immediately known that my son was selling drugs.

 

If only all parents would be all-knowing like Dr. Phil . . . 

 
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September 30, 2006, 3:09 pm PDT

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It is sad and very concerning to me as a educated health care professional that we have teachers such as yourself  judgemental and ignorant to the fact that there is a biological aspect to some of these behaviors.  Until you have walked in someones shoes don't judge their parenting skills.  You really have no idea what goes on in those homes, you assume.  Thats a very bad thing for a teacher to do.

As a 13 year teacher at the elementary level I KNOW that 8 times out of 10 kids are the way they are because of what they experience at home. It's a fact! You're right. in some instances there are biological factors. That's why I say 8 TIMES OUT OF 10.

 

I know exactly what this teacher is saying because we experience parental influence on children DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

 

I know, now, if you choose to respond to my message you'll say something about how "I must not really care about kids" or  you're "thankful that I don't teach your kids because I'm so uncaring, ignorant, and judgemental" The truth of the matter is that it breaks my heart to see so

many parents tune out or even undo the positive influence we teachers try to impart on our young people. I could tell you story after story after story that illustrates my point. So could every other teacher out there.

 

I could talk about home visits I've done and how my colleagues and I can practically predict which of our students' criminal activities we're going to read about in the paper when they become teenagers because we couldn't get through to their parents while their kids were still little.

 

We, teachers shouldn't judge? You shouldn't judge until you've "walked a mile in OUR shoes"!

 

 
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September 30, 2006, 3:32 pm PDT

Great Response!!

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 Heroin isn't sitting on a shelf in Walgreens or in the medicine chest at your grandmother's house.  And doll, dead is final and that's the bottom line.   You don't think families need to know it's not safe to leave the cough medicine unattended these days?   Let me guess -- the first intoxicating substance you ever tried was heroin??  Someone without a brain injury who decides they are going to do heroin knows the consequences they are signing on for, without a doubt.   It's been very well publicized over the last century or so.    Fentanyl is a controlled substance, a serious, serious drug.   That's why you need a prescription for legitimate uses.    I'm so sorry your stuggle was minimized.   You feel slighted that heroin users haven't gotten enough press??  Should Dr. Phil have done a scathing expose' of the damn drug dealers who rip off honest heroin users and place them at risk by slipping them Fentanyl instead?   What a problem!   Is an overwhelming desire to be the absolute center of attention any part of what you deal with?  You are OUTRAGED.   How dare these cough-syrup slurping losers bump you from your accomplished position as a victim!!    Get more help.   Good luck.   I do mean that. 

I couldn't have said it better myself!

 

How DARE the cough syrup guzzlers take the spotlight away from the heroin addicts.

 

Seriously, I'm so glad Dr. Phil did this story. As a parent of an 11 year old I'm thankful to be armed with any information that can help me be a better parent.

 
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September 30, 2006, 3:42 pm PDT

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How scary that your son's school would not immediately confirm that he was there in class.  What if (God forbid) something had happened and you needed immediate confirmation of his prescence in class!  Our school where we live does not do that.  Teachers have phones in their rooms and carry walkie talkies and the office staff is more than happy to call down to a class to see if a student is there. 

 

Unfortuantely there is no way to monitor our children 24/7/365.  I wish there was.  I am a stay at home mom and even I can't monitor my girls at all times.  We have to give them the freedom to make their own choices (good or bad) because it is the only way they wil llearn to make choices and to be adults.  Unfortunately there is such a risk in doing that we all have to take.  All the monitoring, talking to, and being open with your children about drugs will not prevent them from possibly trying or becoming addicted to anything.  It is simply a choice that they make.  We are dealing with a cocaine addiction in our family.  And I monitored, talked about how dangerous drugs are, was open to my children to come and talk to me about anything.  But there is still something I don't know about my oldest daughter (she no longer lives at home) that has hurt her and she has turned to drugs to hide from the pain.  I have tried talking to her and get nowhere.  My younger daughters are witnessing what drugs have done to her, her own child, her relationship, and her family.  They are totally turned off of drugs.  But I still monitor every move they make as much as I possibly can.  One of the steps I have taken to monitor them is I have become the "kool-aid" mom.  All her friends come here.  That way I know what they are doing.  We have no over the counter cough syrup or cold medicine in the house.  I take some strong pain killers (no I am not addicted to them) for my advanced osteoarthritis (I am 38 and will have a knee replacement after the 1st of the year) and for my rheumatoid arthritis.  These painkillers are kept locked up at all times.  If I ever need to get cough syrup or cold medicine that will be kept locked up also.  I know they can get these things at friends houses, but like I said before, we can't be where they are at all times so we have to do what we can to prevent them from trying drugs.

As a teacher I'm appalled that you were told that your child's presence at school could not be confirmed until the next day!! What is the name of this school?! Where is it located?! This is absolutely inexcusable! It makes no sense! What school would not ask a parent the child's name, check records to see what class the kid was supposed to be in, then call down to that class to see if the child was there? It would take about a minute and a half!

 

As a parent, why did you accept this!?  

 

 

 
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September 30, 2006, 4:11 pm PDT

Sponsor Irony

I don't know what advertisements show up in different regions or if many are the same, but.......I found it very ironic that, during this particular episode, one of the sponsors was Gummie-Vites. You know, children's vitamins packaged as gummie bear candy. What does THIS  say about Dr. Phil's or CBS's credibility? Really, should medicine be being packaged as candy!?
 
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September 30, 2006, 6:06 pm PDT

Throwing up in bags

I can't find the post, but someone wondered how Christine (guest on show) could hide 50 pounds of vomit in her room. I have an eating disorder (anorexia),  I don't purge but I know many people who do and hide it in their room in bags and haul it out on garbage day. It's very humiliating for them. But bulimia is an illness. The audience looked disgusted when Dr. Phil mentioned it. Well I can assure you that it's not something that Christine or anyone else would be proud of. It's sad. I felt so bad for Christine. I hope her treatment works and that she doesn't walk out.

 

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