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Created on : Friday, September 22, 2006, 12:21:33 pm
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(Original Air Date: 09/27/06) Parents, you might be your kids' drug dealer. They could be getting high from products in your pantry, under your sink, or in your medicine cabinet. Dana says her 16-year-old son, Josh, has been experimenting with over-the-counter drugs. She says he's downed bottles of NyQuil, packs of cold pills and an entire bottle of mouthwash -- all in an effort to get high. See what drastic measures she took to bring Josh to the show. Then, 21-year-old Christina says she can't start her day without taking half a bottle of cough medicine. Her four-year addiction to robo-tripping is spiraling so far out of control, she fears her days are numbered. What will it take for Christina to kick her habit? Plus, a mom whose son died from an overdose of over-the-counter drugs shares her tragic story.  Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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September 29, 2006, 7:03 am PDT

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Josh really is not a bad kid. his parents over exaggerated the situation. he is not an addict and does not have to go to rehab. he makes stupid decisions and he should see a counsellor to help with his decision making. but rehab is to far. Ive known him for 5 years and the josh i saw is the josh ivee always known. Dr. phil didnt give him a chance to speak his mind. He didnt get to know Josh and what his "problems" were. Please respond saying what you think

Oh my goodness. Just stop it! You have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know Josh at all if that's what you think. Josh has been doing them for the past like, 2 years! I would consider that an addiction, and that to be a problem!!! I'm not sure if this is Blake, or Sam, or just another friend of my brothers, but you are completely ignorant to the situation. You did not live in our house, and you weren't around my brother all the time, so you don't know anything.

 

And everyone keeps saying Josh could just stop. No he couldn't. He told us he was going to many times, and still continued with it. He didn't want to stop. Now he is in a place where he is getting help. He said he's GRATEFUL we sent him there. So stop saying we shouldn't have.

 
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September 29, 2006, 7:13 am PDT

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Josh really is not a bad kid. his parents over exaggerated the situation. he is not an addict and does not have to go to rehab. he makes stupid decisions and he should see a counsellor to help with his decision making. but rehab is to far. Ive known him for 5 years and the josh i saw is the josh ivee always known. Dr. phil didnt give him a chance to speak his mind. He didnt get to know Josh and what his "problems" were. Please respond saying what you think

Just a word from an Ogre, an overbearing, over reacting parent who won’t allow his son to have any fun at all. After all Josh only tried drugs once right? Are you really that stupid? He has drank an entire bottle of mouthwash to try to get drunk, he has taken entire packages of cold pills, drank cough syrup, drank alcohol, taken “stolen” prescription medications, smoked marijuana, tried morphine, tried ecstasy and these are just the ones I know about. Does that sound like just once to you?  You do realize that no matter what you feel about the law, no matter how stupid you think it is, if you get caught breaking the law, you will get arrested. A minor under the influence of any of these drugs is illegal. Have any of you given any thought what would happen to Josh if he was arrested for drugs before his adoption is complete – how this would impact becoming an American citizen? Would getting deported be a good thing? Oh but that would never happen, you are all too smart for that to happen, yet the prisons are full of drug addicts and dealers, I guess they wanted to get caught or you are just so much smarter than all of them.

 

How many times does some have to overdose to die? Last time I checked it only takes once and you can be dead. Once you’re dead there is no coming back. I know you all our mastermind criminals and you are not going to get caught, I know you all are certified geniuses and are not going to get addicted or overdose. You all are not like all the rest of people in the world, you are in total control. After all every one whoever got arrested for drugs wanted to get caught and everyone who overdosed on drugs wanted to right? Of course not, they, like you, thought they were too smart to get caught, too smart to overdose, too strong to get hurt, invincible, untouchable and yet it happened.  Unlike you, they planned to become drug addicts right? How else could it have happened? Tell me I want to know.

 

Obviously you were here in our house and saw Josh under the influence of various types of drugs, you were here to hear his obvious lies, you were here to hear and see his abusive, disrespectful attitude towards his family, yet you managed to miss the missing alcohol bottles from the house, the empty alcohol bottles in his room, the home made marijuana pipe out of soda cans and pill bottles, the home made bong, the empty cold medication packages, cough syrup bottles the list goes on and on. Somehow you managed to miss Josh passing out from cold medication at a family friends house and being so out of it that his friends put makeup on him and drew on his face and he never even knew. He went home with writing on his face! Somehow you missed being there to clean up all the vomit from the bathroom after he got drunk and the numerous other times he vomited on his bedroom floor. Somehow you missed Josh stumbling around the house with dilated pupils, groggy from the drugs. Somehow you failed to notice the smell of marijuana coming from the bathroom when he was supposedly taking a shower. Somehow you failed to see Josh when he left the counseling appointment at the outpatient clinic and walked over behind Walmart to smoke marijuana, meeting strangers and exchanging some marijuana for beer. Good thing they weren’t undercover cops, but the police would never do anything that sneaky. Probably a good thing they weren’t some gang bangers or other type of criminals that meant to hurt him, but those kind of people would be involved with drugs and alcohol.  Somehow you conveniently forgot Josh snorting stolen medication in front of you. But you were here, you must have been because you know everything. Josh wouldn’t lie to you. He only did drugs once.

 

What would you be writing if I believed everything Josh said, that he quick taking drugs and didn’t have a problem and I took no action, and that was the one time he did get arrested, or worse the one time he did overdose and died? What would you being writing then?

 

Where are his “so-called friends” while he did all this? If somebody truly cared about him they would be more concerned about his health and well being than worried about havening a good time. Didn’t you watch the entire Dr Phil show? Did you not see the families that their children had died? Oh yeah, but they wanted to die right? They must have because I’m sure they thought they were in total control, not addicts, they knew nothing was going to happen to them. Wonder what they would say now if they could come back? Wonder if their friends are defending their actions to everyone else? Wonder if they are saying their parents are over reacting while they grieve for their dead child?

 

I love my son and will do everything in my power to protect my son from harming himself. It is absolutely foolish for someone to take chances with their life, chances with consequence so severe, one little mistake can lead to death. You say that Josh was only using marijuana and you can’t get addicted to marijuana, it can’t kill you. B.S. Even if you swear that you will never do any other kind of drugs, marijuana lowers your in ambitions and makes you more likely to be open to try other drugs. Marijuana is far more powerful in this day and age then it was back in the sixties when all your rock and roll idols were doing it. All it takes is one time using marijuana laced with some other, more powerful narcotic that you are unaware of and you could become addicted to some other drug, or worse have a dangerous reaction or overdose, you just don’t know.

 

If you truly were Josh’s friend you would have tried to stop his drug use out of concern for his safety, and not using drugs with him. Even if you didn’t use drugs with him, you enabled him by allowing him to do it in your presence. Unlike you I can’t sit back and watch someone I love hurt himself and his family with his behavior and drug use. I would rather suffer the criticism of ignorant teenagers than bury my son.

 
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September 29, 2006, 7:18 am PDT

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As a mother of a son who went in drug rehab and also attended Family Group Sessions, please know that whatever decisions your child makes as a teenager is NOT YOUR FAULT! After my son OD'd, he blamed me for his drug use. I started asking myself was I too over or under protective? Did I do something to him to make him turn to drugs? Did I not listen enough to what he was saying?" After attending group sessions with him I relaized that I DID NOTHING WRONG! He was the one who chose to use drugs. He was the one who chose not to talk to me, he was the one who made bad decisions. Even today he still blames me, however I am not going to let this stop me from doing what I beleive is right, which is protecting my son and being an over bearing parent. I will continue to search his things and ask 20 questions. If he chooses not to respond to my concens then it is his fault. NOT mine!

IF you feel like you have asked yourself over and over again what did I do, you too can seek counseling with or without your child. Narcotics Anonymous is available for that.

Good Luck and Please do not balme yourself!

re "he blamed me for his drug use".  So how does he explain this, or haven't you asked him?
 
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September 29, 2006, 8:13 am PDT

I am Carl's Aunt

The beautiful boy (Carl) that is posted in this discussion is my nephew.  I miss that boy so VERY much.  I wish I could express in words to anyone reading this how very painful it is to loose someone you love with all your heart. 

 

I am very thankful that Dr. Phil has done this program and assisted in making people (not just parents but everyone) aware of what is going on in our soicety with OTC medications.  I hope that the awarness this show has brought will help in saving many lives and others will not have to endure the pain our family has had to go through.

 

 

 
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September 29, 2006, 9:36 am PDT

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re "he blamed me for his drug use".  So how does he explain this, or haven't you asked him?

He says the way I raised him was "fake" That was his reason why he did drugs. He also says I raised him to be someone he doesn't want to me. To me it doesn't make sense. I just take it in stride right now and go with it. I know someday he will understand where I am coming from and why I did the things I have done, but for now I just accept it because I know what he has done has affected his logical thinking.

 
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September 29, 2006, 11:37 am PDT

re fake

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He says the way I raised him was "fake" That was his reason why he did drugs. He also says I raised him to be someone he doesn't want to me. To me it doesn't make sense. I just take it in stride right now and go with it. I know someday he will understand where I am coming from and why I did the things I have done, but for now I just accept it because I know what he has done has affected his logical thinking.

Thanks for sharing. I would tell him since you both seem to be depressed why don't you have some discussions and see how you can help each other out of it. Does he think the answer to all that ails him is to simply turn to drugs? Does he expect the rest of the world to run on drugs? Does he think the doctors, dentists, and inventions that serve him are the results of beings running on drugs? Help him see and create a world that is not "fake". At least he will know you are not fake and willing to step up to the plate. The question is: will he.
 
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September 29, 2006, 1:27 pm PDT

RE; Fake.

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Thanks for sharing. I would tell him since you both seem to be depressed why don't you have some discussions and see how you can help each other out of it. Does he think the answer to all that ails him is to simply turn to drugs? Does he expect the rest of the world to run on drugs? Does he think the doctors, dentists, and inventions that serve him are the results of beings running on drugs? Help him see and create a world that is not "fake". At least he will know you are not fake and willing to step up to the plate. The question is: will he.

I know that I am not an expert- however I beleive my son turned to drugs because he suffers from anxiety disorder. In april of this year he was diagnosed with that. He has been going to  therapy because of that. He also spent 3 weeks in an outpaitient program which helped him to deal with his anxiety. He is also being treated with medication for the anxiety. I also beleive that his anxiety, led to depression which then in turn lead him to the drugs.

At this point we cannot talk to each other because it only ends up in an argument and I end up walking out or calling the police. Since we are going for therapy I am hoping and praying that we can get our issues resolved. The main issue I know we will have to work on is trust. When he completed his drug rehab we were advised that we need to begin trusting him. My husband and I both agreed that we would give him back his computer, however he had stipulations on what he could and could not do on his computer. As untrusting (if that is a real word) parents we decided to install a program on his computer which logs his activity. Sadly, he overstepped his boundries and the computer and internet access was taken away from him. We tried again to no avail. He is going to have to be the one to make a change, but at this point I don't see that happening over night.

 
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September 29, 2006, 1:31 pm PDT

a question for Parents

For all the parents out there who have children that have had issues with drugs -

 

Do you allow your children to continue to hang with the kids he/she was hanging with when your child was using drugs?

 
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September 29, 2006, 1:34 pm PDT

Thank you from Stephen's Mother

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There are tests that can detect over the counter meds. When my son was in rehab since they knew he was using OTC Meds, they knew to test for that. They also tested for other drugs as well, such as marijuana, cocaine, etc. Check with your family physician. If they cannot test your child for OTC drugs, find out who can.

Thank you!  This is exactly what I tried to tell Dr. Phil -- both in the hours of endless interviews that we had to endure before appearing on the show, as well as on the show itself.  I took him to the professional drug clinics to have him tested and they told me that even their sophisticated tests will NOT detect Triple C or any of the other drugs that Stephen was using.  We had him tested anyway.  He tested negative.

 

Since appearing on the Dr. Phil Show, I have drug tested Stephen on a regular and consistent basis.  He has tested negative EVERY TIME!  Even when I would have bet  money that he was using drugs and would have failed.  HE TESTED NEGATIVE!!  In spite of what Dr. Phil said on the show about these tests picking up the use of drugs, he was wrong.  The drugs don't show much of anything at all.

 
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September 29, 2006, 2:03 pm PDT

Stephen (the boy with the surfer hair) didn't say he found religion -- Dr. Phil did

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You know I wondered what the boy with the surfer hair meant also...i think he was trying to say he was all better, because he KNEW what was coming....he really made no specific claim; nor did Dr. Phil entertain the boys train of thought...because it's all been said b4. Anyone i've known with an addiction (myself included)  found God or some religion at least once during our active addiction. Usually when you say this people take you at face value & then you can continue on with the using...bet the young man figured he could get away with it; but he's going to have to prove himself to his Mother, Dr. Phil & himself. I hope this answers your question.

Stephen (the boy with the "surfer hair") did NOT say he had found religion.  Dr. Phil was just trying to be "clever".  Stephen clearly stated that he had stopped using and selling drugs more than 2 months ago because he realized that he was hurting his family and those around him (more specifically, a very special young lady in his life).   

 

Dr. Phil was trying to make a point that he had only seen one person in 27 years quit taking drugs and turn their life around on their own -- without intervention.  But he was willing to give Stephen the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to prove that he wasn't just blowing smoke. 

 

Since we appeared on the show, I have continued to drug test Stephen on a consistent and regular basis.  He has tested NEGATIVE every single time.  

 
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