Topic : The Other Woman

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If you've been the other woman, find support here. General talk and debate about infidelity can be found in our Infidelity discussion.

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October 25, 2005, 1:06 pm PDT

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 I posted on the "Infidelity" board about this.    I have been in an on/off relationship with a man for many years.  The last 3 years he has been  living with, then engaged and recently married to another woman.   I tried twice to break it off, we didn't talk for a while and then he is like a boomerang and back he is.    I can do the right thing and kick his ass to the curb but I wonder about the wife. 

Do I tell her what she is in for?  Tell her about  his cheating ways?  His father cheated on his mother, his brother cheated on his wife and now he's done it.    Do I tell her?

Has anyone told the wife?  What happened? 

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The questions are for you. Why would you want to tell his wife this?  

Its good that you have ended the relationship. That was the right thing to do. Now, its his business, not yours. There is no reasons for you to tell his wife unless there is a disease she should know about. Usually, women have a sense of what is going on.... and many wives do not want to know about the other woman for reasons. I'm not saying that is good or healthy!! BUt its the way it is. 

 
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October 25, 2005, 4:04 pm PDT

Only one person is right

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Sad to say that I got myself into this. But I did.

 

I met Keith on Valentine's Day, 2004. We became friends gradually, although it was hard because he wanted more than just friendship, and I was having major problems in my life. I was 17, he was 25. I was just out of a 3 year relationship with a guy who screwed me over because he was married, and go figure, Keith was married to. He spent months convincing me that his marriage was a mistake, he was very unhappy, and that he was looking for the girl he should have married. I was VERY reluctant, but 11 months after we met, I began to date him in January of 2005. We were VERY irrisponsible about sex, because that was Keith's main problem with his wife, she wouldn't have sex with him. So literally in the first month of being together, and sleeping together, I got pregnant with his baby. That is basically when our problems started, because he started feeling guilty about what he did to his wife. At this point, after walking all over him for a few years, she decided that she wanted him afterall, and he was reluctant to leave her. He went back and forth for a few months before he finally moved out of their house for good. He and I stayed together, bought a house, began preparing for our daughter. We are soooo happy together I swear. He really is a GREAT guy underneath all those walls he has put up around his heart. He says that he loves me and his daughter, and I believe him.

 

Now my main problem with our relationship is I am like 10 weeks away from delivering our daughter. He has been promising the whole time I have been pregnant to have his divorce finalized before our baby was born. However, he has screwed around and stalled, and now there is no way he will be divorced before I have her. I am very upset about this, but am even more upset that he is still on good terms with his wife. Good terms I mean they call each other and have casual conversations, he takes her places and lies to me about where he is going, and he REFUSES to talk to her on the phone in front of me. I am VERY defensive when it comes to her being in his life because he has lied to me so much about her.....so I really don't trust him anymore when it comes to her. He says this is my fault that I don't trust him, I say it's his for lying to me in the first place. I guess he doesn't understand that if he hadn't lied to me in the first place, I wouldn't have a problem trusting him. He says that if I had never found out about any of the lies, then our relationship would be no different, and once again, it is my fault for finding out. I say that he has no reason to have a friendship with her, they have no kids, and I think that he should just let the divorce papers do the talking. He insists that cannot happen, and a friendship with her is a must. I am to the point where I feel so threatened by her and his lies that I want to leave and take the baby unless he can completely cut her off. And he says that what I am asking for is soooo ridiculous that I should just go.....telling me that our relationship is not important enough to him to give up a relationship with his ex-wife....well soon to be ex-wife. I don't want her calling him anymore, but more importantly I don't want him to answer the phone. He keeps telling me that he just cannot bring himself to be an asshole to her, but yet he doesn't think he is being an asshole to me when he ignores my wishes when it comes to her. Honestly I would have no problem leaving if he wasn't such a good guy outside of all this drama. But I just don't want to walk away from him, I really do love him, and I want to be a family with him and our daughter.

 

So am I completely irrational to ask for him to COMPLETELY cut her off? He says I am just being naive, immature, and hormonal due to my pregnancy. Who is right, and what do I do? Stay and be miserable just so my daughter has us both, or do I go?

...and that's the wife.  She is STILL his wife and if she wants to still have a relationship with her adulterous "husband," that's her right to do so.  You really shouldn't do anything more-- you and he have already done enough, don't ya think?  By all laws of marriage, religious AND secular, the husband and wife have every right (and would be encouraged) to reconcile and get past this grave tresspass he has made against her.  That would mean that you'd rightfully raise your child however else you could, on your own, or with the help of family, WITHOUT him in the picture, except for his court awarded child-visitations and monthly child-support checks.  I really don't like judging people, but this guy is NOT cool.  It's obvious that neither you nor the wife can trust him.  You crossed over a boundary you weren't supposed to cross when you consorted w/the husband.  That was enough.  To expect him to be any truer to you than he has been to his wife is kind of silly if you look at it objectively.  I'm not saying you shouldn't feel hurt and betrayed, but sometimes we bring problems upon ourselves...and this just happens to be a huge one, one that will soon involve a child.  May God bless you and give you strength and comfort through everything you're going through.  I am sure this is NOT an easy time for you.  Take care and God Bless.
 
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October 26, 2005, 8:21 am PDT

Yes, I believe you are right.

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The questions are for you. Why would you want to tell his wife this?  

Its good that you have ended the relationship. That was the right thing to do. Now, its his business, not yours. There is no reasons for you to tell his wife unless there is a disease she should know about. Usually, women have a sense of what is going on.... and many wives do not want to know about the other woman for reasons. I'm not saying that is good or healthy!! BUt its the way it is. 

 You are right.  It is up to me and I will let it go.  I truly believe at some point she will find out as he will not be able to not cheat.    I don't believe any or many men change these types of behavior. 

And I do agree with you about some wives NOT wanting to know.  I think for many reasons, altough heartbreaking, they turn a blind eye to it. 
 
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October 28, 2005, 7:52 am PDT

The Other Woman

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I do know that I reap what I sow and I also understand that that goes for all involved. I am happy, too, but I always astonished when I get this reaction on this site. It's called the Other Woman yet many of the responses on here are very anti-other woman. Because I questioned her playing the victim card I got a very negative response. It's so politically incorrect for the other woman to say anything bad about the poor wife. I'm just so frustrated by it... 

  

The other woman is always painted as the homewrecking slut but the wife is always the saint who raised his kids and how could she find the time to take care of her man when she was so busy with the house and the kids and the carpool. Woman are our own worst enemies.  

Because I questioned her playing the victim card I got a very negative response. It's so politically incorrect for the other woman to say anything bad about the poor wife. I'm just so frustrated by it...  

  

Whether you want to admit it, or not, the wife IS the victim of your affair.  She might not be innocent regarding the troubles WITHIN her marriage, but she had NOTHING to do with your affair, because that is OUTSIDE of her marriage and she has no control over it.  YOU do, however.  Any trouble within her marriage is between her and her husband, nothing to do with you.  Yet, because of your actions, the troubles within her marriage stand very little chance of getting better.  Do you honestly think you are his first?  His last?  Go ahead and use the excuse 'if it wasn't me, it would be somebody else' ,,,but NEWSFLASH....it doesn't make your actions ANY more right or appropriate just because YOU filled the 'slot', rather than someone else.  I might as well go shoplift, because if I don't, somebody else might... 

  

The other woman is always painted as the homewrecking slut but the wife is always the saint who raised his kids and how could she find the time to take care of her man when she was so busy with the house and the kids and the carpool.  

  

OK, ask yourself this....what has the wife done to YOUR family?  What has the wife done to YOU, that wasn't out of basic self-defense of HER world as she knows it?  The reason why the other woman is typically painted as the homewrecker, is because she plays a part in wrecking the home.  It's pretty simple, really.  She may not have been there when the wrecking crew showed up, but she certainly jumped to the front of the line and helped push the buttons when it came to the final destruction. 

 

A while ago, I watched a movie, based on a true story about a wife who sued the other woman ...and WON.  I just wish more wives who are left to console the kids who are crying at night would do this. 

  

  

  

 
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October 28, 2005, 2:27 pm PDT

Does it? What about the women who find out 10-20-30 years down the road...sometimes after the spouse dies?

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The truth ALWAYS comes to light.... 

 
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October 28, 2005, 2:35 pm PDT

SAME SITIUATION

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Sad to say that I got myself into this. But I did.

 

I met Keith on Valentine's Day, 2004. We became friends gradually, although it was hard because he wanted more than just friendship, and I was having major problems in my life. I was 17, he was 25. I was just out of a 3 year relationship with a guy who screwed me over because he was married, and go figure, Keith was married to. He spent months convincing me that his marriage was a mistake, he was very unhappy, and that he was looking for the girl he should have married. I was VERY reluctant, but 11 months after we met, I began to date him in January of 2005. We were VERY irrisponsible about sex, because that was Keith's main problem with his wife, she wouldn't have sex with him. So literally in the first month of being together, and sleeping together, I got pregnant with his baby. That is basically when our problems started, because he started feeling guilty about what he did to his wife. At this point, after walking all over him for a few years, she decided that she wanted him afterall, and he was reluctant to leave her. He went back and forth for a few months before he finally moved out of their house for good. He and I stayed together, bought a house, began preparing for our daughter. We are soooo happy together I swear. He really is a GREAT guy underneath all those walls he has put up around his heart. He says that he loves me and his daughter, and I believe him.

 

Now my main problem with our relationship is I am like 10 weeks away from delivering our daughter. He has been promising the whole time I have been pregnant to have his divorce finalized before our baby was born. However, he has screwed around and stalled, and now there is no way he will be divorced before I have her. I am very upset about this, but am even more upset that he is still on good terms with his wife. Good terms I mean they call each other and have casual conversations, he takes her places and lies to me about where he is going, and he REFUSES to talk to her on the phone in front of me. I am VERY defensive when it comes to her being in his life because he has lied to me so much about her.....so I really don't trust him anymore when it comes to her. He says this is my fault that I don't trust him, I say it's his for lying to me in the first place. I guess he doesn't understand that if he hadn't lied to me in the first place, I wouldn't have a problem trusting him. He says that if I had never found out about any of the lies, then our relationship would be no different, and once again, it is my fault for finding out. I say that he has no reason to have a friendship with her, they have no kids, and I think that he should just let the divorce papers do the talking. He insists that cannot happen, and a friendship with her is a must. I am to the point where I feel so threatened by her and his lies that I want to leave and take the baby unless he can completely cut her off. And he says that what I am asking for is soooo ridiculous that I should just go.....telling me that our relationship is not important enough to him to give up a relationship with his ex-wife....well soon to be ex-wife. I don't want her calling him anymore, but more importantly I don't want him to answer the phone. He keeps telling me that he just cannot bring himself to be an asshole to her, but yet he doesn't think he is being an asshole to me when he ignores my wishes when it comes to her. Honestly I would have no problem leaving if he wasn't such a good guy outside of all this drama. But I just don't want to walk away from him, I really do love him, and I want to be a family with him and our daughter.

 

So am I completely irrational to ask for him to COMPLETELY cut her off? He says I am just being naive, immature, and hormonal due to my pregnancy. Who is right, and what do I do? Stay and be miserable just so my daughter has us both, or do I go?

 TO ME WHEN I READ THIS IT WAS THE SAME SITUATION THIS YEAR I WAS IN WITH MY DAUGHTERS FATHER. HE IS MARRIED, WENT BACK AND FOURTH TO HIS WIFE AND MYSELF 3 TIMES. THE LAST TIME HE LEFT WAS WHEN OUR DAUGHTER WAS 2 WEEKS OLD.THE LAST TIME HE SAID HE WAS LEAVING HIS WIFE FOR GOOD, BECAUSE HE WOULD BE WITH ME SO OUR DAUGHTER WOULD HAVE A MOTHER AND FATHER. I KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP WHEN HE KEPT MAKING EXCUSES TO GO TO WHERE THEY LIVED.  WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT HIM LEAVING THE LAST TIME, I TOLD HIM NOT TO COME BACK. THE FIRST TWO TIMES HURT SO BAD BUT THE LAST TIME HOW CAN YOU BE HURT OR ANGRY OVER SOMETHING YOU WAS EXPECTING TO HAPPEN.I DIDN'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM MY REALTIONSHIP, I REALLY DID LOVE HIM ALSO AND I STILL DO. HE AND I WORK AT THE SAME PLACE, SO I SEE HIM QUITE A BIT. WE ARE ON GOOD TERMS ABOUT OUR DAUGHTER. HE CAN SEE HER WHENEVER HE WANTS FOR AS LONG AS HE WANTS.              

    I KNOW AND RELIZE AND YOU WILL ALSO THAT ONE DAY I WILL FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO DESERVES ME AND I DESERVE  TO BE WITH.  

IN MY CASE THEY WON'T BE MARRIED, I LEARNED MY LESSON IT WAS A HARD ONE TO LEARN. 

 I THOUGHT HE WAS MY SOUL MATE, WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON, I WANTED TO MARRY HIM JUST AS SOON AS HE WAS TO BE DIVORCED BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED MARRIAGE. 

I AM STILL DEALING WITH ALOT OF FEELINGS AT WHICH I AM THINKING ABOUT SEEING A THERAPIST.MY ADVICE IS TO LET HIM MAKE UP HIS MIND WHO HE WANTS TO BE WITH, AND DON'T KEEP YOUR DAUGHTER OUT OF HIS LIFE. IF I DID WITH MY DAUGHTER, I THINK THE VISITS WITH HER FATHER WOULD BE MUCH DIFFERENT AND I KNOW SHE HAS A STEPMOTHER WHO DOES LOVE HER ALSO. 

 
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October 29, 2005, 2:59 pm PDT

Immature.............

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Sad to say that I got myself into this. But I did.

 

I met Keith on Valentine's Day, 2004. We became friends gradually, although it was hard because he wanted more than just friendship, and I was having major problems in my life. I was 17, he was 25. I was just out of a 3 year relationship with a guy who screwed me over because he was married, and go figure, Keith was married to. He spent months convincing me that his marriage was a mistake, he was very unhappy, and that he was looking for the girl he should have married. I was VERY reluctant, but 11 months after we met, I began to date him in January of 2005. We were VERY irrisponsible about sex, because that was Keith's main problem with his wife, she wouldn't have sex with him. So literally in the first month of being together, and sleeping together, I got pregnant with his baby. That is basically when our problems started, because he started feeling guilty about what he did to his wife. At this point, after walking all over him for a few years, she decided that she wanted him afterall, and he was reluctant to leave her. He went back and forth for a few months before he finally moved out of their house for good. He and I stayed together, bought a house, began preparing for our daughter. We are soooo happy together I swear. He really is a GREAT guy underneath all those walls he has put up around his heart. He says that he loves me and his daughter, and I believe him.

 

Now my main problem with our relationship is I am like 10 weeks away from delivering our daughter. He has been promising the whole time I have been pregnant to have his divorce finalized before our baby was born. However, he has screwed around and stalled, and now there is no way he will be divorced before I have her. I am very upset about this, but am even more upset that he is still on good terms with his wife. Good terms I mean they call each other and have casual conversations, he takes her places and lies to me about where he is going, and he REFUSES to talk to her on the phone in front of me. I am VERY defensive when it comes to her being in his life because he has lied to me so much about her.....so I really don't trust him anymore when it comes to her. He says this is my fault that I don't trust him, I say it's his for lying to me in the first place. I guess he doesn't understand that if he hadn't lied to me in the first place, I wouldn't have a problem trusting him. He says that if I had never found out about any of the lies, then our relationship would be no different, and once again, it is my fault for finding out. I say that he has no reason to have a friendship with her, they have no kids, and I think that he should just let the divorce papers do the talking. He insists that cannot happen, and a friendship with her is a must. I am to the point where I feel so threatened by her and his lies that I want to leave and take the baby unless he can completely cut her off. And he says that what I am asking for is soooo ridiculous that I should just go.....telling me that our relationship is not important enough to him to give up a relationship with his ex-wife....well soon to be ex-wife. I don't want her calling him anymore, but more importantly I don't want him to answer the phone. He keeps telling me that he just cannot bring himself to be an asshole to her, but yet he doesn't think he is being an asshole to me when he ignores my wishes when it comes to her. Honestly I would have no problem leaving if he wasn't such a good guy outside of all this drama. But I just don't want to walk away from him, I really do love him, and I want to be a family with him and our daughter.

 

So am I completely irrational to ask for him to COMPLETELY cut her off? He says I am just being naive, immature, and hormonal due to my pregnancy. Who is right, and what do I do? Stay and be miserable just so my daughter has us both, or do I go?

You say that Keith had spent "months convincing you" that he lived in an unhappy marriage, why did you stay around? you already knew what it was like to be 'involved' with a married man from your previous relationship.  You seem to have a pattern of being attracted to men who are not yours. 

  

You are insecure about his feelings towards you,  you should be. 

  

My opinnion is that all or most relationships that start off as 'affairs'  do not really turn out well, when all the 'magic' of hiding, stolen moments, great sex and words of eternal love wear thin, things change very quickly; because in most cases having an affair is just a getaway from responsibilities and reality. 

  

You are so bitter towards a woman (his wife), who was probably hurt by the whole situation, I guess that you are feeling abit of frustration, hurt and anger the way she did......... 

  

Your partner said that he was "unhappy for years" with his wife,  if that was the case why would he be worrying about her feelings so much now, because he feels guilt !, his 'fling' with you turned from 'sweet cheating' into a complicated situation, your pregnancy. 

  

I don't feel pity for you or your partner, I think that you are both irresponsible, your child is the innocent victim here, who deserves two loving parents, a safe and happy environment, how will you be able to provide this when you are going to be consumed greatly by constant mistrust towards your partner.   

  

I hope that you can put aside your need to 'control' your partners actions and thoughts, (won't work) and prepare yourself for the precious moment of having your child. 

  

  

 
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October 29, 2005, 7:50 pm PDT

The Other Woman

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I have spoken with her and she's the first person to badmouth him about everything...not just the affair. She said he was a horrible husband, he was a bad father, she raised the kids in spite of him, she hasn't been happy for years, blah, blah, blah. Why stay with thim then? If he is soooo bad, why would you want to be with him? I'll tell you why...he makes a great living, he is a very high profile man with a lot of connections which allow them invites all over the place. This is the trade off she has accepted. It is obvious to everyone around him why she stays. It's also pretty obvious that she cannot be bothered with him. She should get off her ass and make her own way...then complain about how hard "her" life is. I do blame her for her role in this. I do not blame her for my situation but don't see around being the victim. He has since told me that his marriage is not going to work. He doesn't want to live this lie anymore with her. He's out now. I will be with him and I will have what I want. There is no way she is standing in my way anymore.

You are really  are unhappy and bitter. Re read your posts, all they consist of is anger, 'everyone else is to blame attitude', alot of hate and bitterness.  I don't see any 'magic' in your relationship with this "very high profile" man with "soooo many connections", oh yeah, he is married too...    there is no magic because it does not exist. 

  

You say, "I will be with him and I will have what I want".   I don't understand what kind of advice you are looking for if  you have already made up your mind?  Many people on this board have given you good and sound advice, your response is usually callous and rude. 

  

You say that his wife should "remember where her place is", she does, she is with her family. 

  

You can badmouth that woman all you want, she is and always will be the mother of his children, and will always have a place in her husbands life.   His children will probably never accept you,  someone who was there to help destroy their parents marriage.   I doubt that he will allow you to come before his kids. 

  

As someone has previously stated in a post, I hope that you do print all this out and one day in the near future you will be able to read them again and see how foolish you were. Seriously, you are so bitter and angry now, do you really think that this relationship is going to turn into a healthy and happy one?  Never.   

  

  

  

  

 
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November 2, 2005, 12:40 pm PST

Still wanting him

Hey, I'm back again!  Well...although me and the OM haven't slept together again since the last incident, we've been talking on the phone like we are friends or something!  I still want him more than ever and I feel very confused.  When I hear his voice I just melt!  My husband and I aren't having any problems or anything so I don't know what is wrong with me!!!  I wasn't ready for it to end...but will I ever be? 
 
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November 2, 2005, 3:10 pm PST

Remember when?

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Hey, I'm back again!  Well...although me and the OM haven't slept together again since the last incident, we've been talking on the phone like we are friends or something!  I still want him more than ever and I feel very confused.  When I hear his voice I just melt!  My husband and I aren't having any problems or anything so I don't know what is wrong with me!!!  I wasn't ready for it to end...but will I ever be? 
 Do you remember a few posts back when you said he got ugly with you after HE felt guilty, and then laid a guilt trip on YOU? Why does he get to call the shots? You wanted to end it, and have made a good attempt, even though you two keep talking on the phone. Do you see what needs to happen here to put it behind you once and for all? Your character is being tested here, let him be the failure, not you.
 

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