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May 12, 2006, 9:45 am PDT

You said it DG

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 You need to vent a lot of stuff and you found the right place....    your feelings are not right or wrong...they are what you feel.  Let yourself have them...      
What have you heard from us who have responded to you?  What are we saying to you?  You have some tough choices to make.....  aside from all the venting....     
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 To DG...yes you are sounding very needy, jealous and nit picking to the point that if you don't get a handle on these issues...you are probably going to drive him and his family away....It sounds like a classic rebound marriage...It is going to take a lot of work mainly on your part to save it......if all you can obsess about  are  the negatives...this does not bode well for your relationship........ .You have got to be bigger than this pettiness...and jealousy.   I am sorry to be so direct....It is just an opinion based on your venting...I am just mirroring your ventings.

"Forgiveness"... might help you....what is that serenity prayer?.....God, Give me the strength to affect the things I can..accept the things I can't...and have the wisdom to know the difference.
 
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May 12, 2006, 5:28 pm PDT

Backsliding

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Actually, SC, I was kinda worried about you but keeping good thoughts for you.  Sounds like you had a good time on your getaway and you're right...I guess it will take time to get back to feeling "normal" with YM again.  Do you find that, when you're thinking of OM, you view MM differently--in a negative way?  That's what's happening to me.  Or MM will do something that shows me he isn't really trying (like he says he is) to be closer to me and I'll start thinking of OM--even when it's anger toward OM, it's still thinking about him.  I really am trying to focus on the positives about MM, but something always happens--something he does/doesn't do, something he says--that just shut me down again.  We're not talking openly...still walking on eggshells.  Finding I don't want to be in the same room as him--whether or not I'm thinking of OM.   I AM IN A PICKLE!   

  

But yes, it is withdrawal, isn't it?  And you can't really share that with YM, and neither can I.  I want to tell him that I want to feel with him all the things I felt with OM, but that's unrealistic.  I want to feel that I can't breathe without him (MM) and him without me...I want to feel those feelings again; not with OM, of course.  I can't bring myself to even kiss MM...holding hands is as far as it's gotten.  Guess that will take time too.  Trying to stay positive. 

  

Glad you're back!  You're my "mirror image," and I missed your input!   

Hey guys!  SC, I'm so glad you got away with YM for a couple of days.  I can relate to the mind drifting.  I've been away (with the family) and during the car rides, when all is quiet, my mind drifts to 'him' (OM).  And MT, I can SO relate to comparing MM to OM.  Although, sometimes I think that both have the same negatives qualities!!  That is called just 'being a man'!!     

Seriously though, MT I can relate to the having a difficult time kissing and being intimate with MM.  I have been intimate,  but it's still difficult to me.  It's an emotional turmoil that I hate.  I guess it's guilt mostly.  Guilt because I don't feel like I am giving 100% to MM.  My thoughts are still with OM alot and remembering how it was when I was intimate with 'him'.   

I have to confess that I backslided the last 2 weeks.  We (OM and I) emailed about the whole confrontation that took place about 6 weeks ago, then I've also had phone contact with him.  I know it is WRONG, but at least we don't feel like 'enemies'.  That is important to me because of the daughter we share.  Call it stupid, but I can't hate someone who is my daughter's father---even if he is a jerk.  Yes, so many feelings came back, however, I'm not giving in to them.  Mostly because I found out his wife doesn't know about ANY of it!!  All of the people at his office know about my husband showing up and what happened, but he asked them to keep it from his wife.  She has asked him (just recently) if he has had contact with me since----one time in Dec. we ran into each other while shopping---and he says "NO".  I have to feel sorry for her because he and I continued to talk and see each other (to talk) until March........................then we've emailed and talked a couple of times in the last 2 weeks.  She really has NO idea and believes everything is "okay" with them.  It really makes me wonder if he will always lie to her.  Makes me wonder how much he has lied to me.     

I needed to confess what has happened, HOWEVER, I also need to explain that it makes my feelings a little less for him.  Yes, I still care for him deeply, but it's just not the same.  I just don't have the respect for him that I have for MM.  It is still so hard at times with MM, but he is SO the 'better man'!     

I'm still here for help.........................I know I've let everyone down (including myself) by having contact, but it is difficult knowing he fathered my daughter.    

 
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May 12, 2006, 5:39 pm PDT

The Other Woman

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 To DG...yes you are sounding very needy, jealous and nit picking to the point that if you don't get a handle on these issues...you are probably going to drive him and his family away....It sounds like a classic rebound marriage...It is going to take a lot of work mainly on your part to save it......if all you can obsess about  are  the negatives...this does not bode well for your relationship........ .You have got to be bigger than this pettiness...and jealousy.   I am sorry to be so direct....It is just an opinion based on your venting...I am just mirroring your ventings.

"Forgiveness"... might help you....what is that serenity prayer?.....God, Give me the strength to affect the things I can..accept the things I can't...and have the wisdom to know the difference.

Thanks ladies, I really do appreciate your advice. Yes SC I do have a lot of venting and I am so glad that you can listen to that. Thanks. Seems that all the replys say the same thing...........he is not over her yet, he still has feelings, this is what I have said all along even though he denies it. He would never admit that he has any feelings for her. He reply to that would be, :You have got to be kidding" I hate her! I do have a lot to work on here and I will try. Thanks for you all helping, just listening and giving me your ideas and advice is a great help! Thanks!! 

 

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May 12, 2006, 7:46 pm PDT

Please advise...

This is my first posting, so I hope it makes sense.  I have been married (2nd marriage) for more than 19 years and have not been truly happy with this relationship for more than 12 years.  It seems that I began to feel "lost" just before my daughter graduated from high school and left home.  Since then it has just been my self and husband.  He is a good guy, but there just isn't a real "connection" with us - I was always the aggressive one in our physical encounters and grew tired of always having to "ask" for contact.  He is hooked on internet porn sites and sits in front of the PC, perfectly happy, whenever he isn't working.  He has NO drive to do ANYTHING.  We have never been able to talk about anything -- he shuts down whenever I try to bring up "our" relationship and only responds that I have a problem and need to get on medication.  I had a complete hysterectomy several years ago and that helped minimize my sex drive, but I often find myself considering having an affair.  I want SO much more than my husband provides and no matter how many times I have tried to talk to him about this, it hasn't improved.  Any suggestions?   

 
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May 13, 2006, 5:03 am PDT

Tell the wife

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Hey guys!  SC, I'm so glad you got away with YM for a couple of days.  I can relate to the mind drifting.  I've been away (with the family) and during the car rides, when all is quiet, my mind drifts to 'him' (OM).  And MT, I can SO relate to comparing MM to OM.  Although, sometimes I think that both have the same negatives qualities!!  That is called just 'being a man'!!     

Seriously though, MT I can relate to the having a difficult time kissing and being intimate with MM.  I have been intimate,  but it's still difficult to me.  It's an emotional turmoil that I hate.  I guess it's guilt mostly.  Guilt because I don't feel like I am giving 100% to MM.  My thoughts are still with OM alot and remembering how it was when I was intimate with 'him'.   

I have to confess that I backslided the last 2 weeks.  We (OM and I) emailed about the whole confrontation that took place about 6 weeks ago, then I've also had phone contact with him.  I know it is WRONG, but at least we don't feel like 'enemies'.  That is important to me because of the daughter we share.  Call it stupid, but I can't hate someone who is my daughter's father---even if he is a jerk.  Yes, so many feelings came back, however, I'm not giving in to them.  Mostly because I found out his wife doesn't know about ANY of it!!  All of the people at his office know about my husband showing up and what happened, but he asked them to keep it from his wife.  She has asked him (just recently) if he has had contact with me since----one time in Dec. we ran into each other while shopping---and he says "NO".  I have to feel sorry for her because he and I continued to talk and see each other (to talk) until March........................then we've emailed and talked a couple of times in the last 2 weeks.  She really has NO idea and believes everything is "okay" with them.  It really makes me wonder if he will always lie to her.  Makes me wonder how much he has lied to me.     

I needed to confess what has happened, HOWEVER, I also need to explain that it makes my feelings a little less for him.  Yes, I still care for him deeply, but it's just not the same.  I just don't have the respect for him that I have for MM.  It is still so hard at times with MM, but he is SO the 'better man'!     

I'm still here for help.........................I know I've let everyone down (including myself) by having contact, but it is difficult knowing he fathered my daughter.    

RD...You actions are so similar to what I suspect are the  actions of the OW in my life........Of course he is lying to both of you !   .....He will do what ever to save his own hide at your cost and his wife's.....It is all about him.  
 I know the deal for his wife to stay with him was absolutely no contact.with the OW.....and if he has no charater  about this , she is just wasting her time................I beg of you to just write to her and tell her about all the contact...she deserves to know the truth if you and her husband can't respect  "HER" marriage. 
 I know it will seem cruel  to hurt her, ...but you are being cruel and unfair to her already, aren't you ?....... believe me,    finding out down the road will be more devastating to her......Please Let her  KNOW NOW ...so she can make  honest choices about her life..show her some decency ....for she deserves to know !   
  I think you need to blow this wide open if you can't stick to your convictions...Your husband doesn't need to be saddled with 18 years of child support for another man's child..........if this is how you repay his kindness.    You have basically spit in his face........If you care anything about him.....let him go.   ........He will at least respect you for being honest with him.        Please do what is right for them...not what is right for YOU !     Let the chips fall where they may........you will live with yourself better this way......Otherwise those innocent people are just living a lie ..........That is more cruel.
 
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May 13, 2006, 5:53 am PDT

The Other Woman

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This is my first posting, so I hope it makes sense.  I have been married (2nd marriage) for more than 19 years and have not been truly happy with this relationship for more than 12 years.  It seems that I began to feel "lost" just before my daughter graduated from high school and left home.  Since then it has just been my self and husband.  He is a good guy, but there just isn't a real "connection" with us - I was always the aggressive one in our physical encounters and grew tired of always having to "ask" for contact.  He is hooked on internet porn sites and sits in front of the PC, perfectly happy, whenever he isn't working.  He has NO drive to do ANYTHING.  We have never been able to talk about anything -- he shuts down whenever I try to bring up "our" relationship and only responds that I have a problem and need to get on medication.  I had a complete hysterectomy several years ago and that helped minimize my sex drive, but I often find myself considering having an affair.  I want SO much more than my husband provides and no matter how many times I have tried to talk to him about this, it hasn't improved.  Any suggestions?   

Hi There......... I was new to this message board also until about a week ago and now I'm kind of hooked. There are some great people that have given me some really good advice and that has helped me to just have someone to listen and tell me what they thing. I really appreciate these ladies. You will get some good advice as well from some of them. I have a problem that I am asking help on as well. I am in my second marriage also but for only 10 months now, my first marriage was 31 years, it was a horrible marriage but stayed for the boys, when they all left home so do I. Now this marriage he has an ex-wife, that is trouble, if you have read any of my posts you will see the problems that I'm having............ For you and your problem.... well if you are not happy and your aren't, you need to get out now. Like I said I stayed for 31 years but left when my youngest son left home so did I.................... Now that your daughter has left home and you have nothing left to hold you there you need to leave also. It seems that your husband has his own life, a life that he has created for himself and he seems happy with it, his porn sites, and clearly it does not include you.......... I can bet you this much - that while your daughter was at home you devoted every minute to her, your life revolved around her and her activities, right? That was an escape for you so that you didn't have to deal with your own life and the lonely sad feeling that you have now and seemmed to have had for quite a while. If you have to ask for affection and any physical attention it isn't worth it. I have a lot of issues now in this marriage and I am far from anyone to give advice but I have been in your shoes to, my suggestion is that if you get out of this marriage please don't jump back into anything until you know the man you are with, make sure that he is over any old relationships, ex-wives.......... This is something I did I was over my ex and had been for a long time when I met my husband he had only been divorced for 2 mths, we started dating when he was divorced for 5 or 6 months, believe me he was not over her his ex and I don't think he is yet and now I am having to pay the price for that. He is a good man and he is really good to me, just the ex-wife problem. So I do feel cheated on by those feelings he has there, he tell me that I am wrong and he doesn't have any feelings for her except hate, he hates her for what she did to him and the family! So please take time for yourself, and really get your self together before you ever start another relationship. You sound like you have come to the end of your rope with this man and you need to get out, sounds like you need to do it now. Good luck and keep posting, there is some good advice here for you from the ladies that are helping me!
 
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May 13, 2006, 6:00 am PDT

The Other Woman

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Hi There......... I was new to this message board also until about a week ago and now I'm kind of hooked. There are some great people that have given me some really good advice and that has helped me to just have someone to listen and tell me what they thing. I really appreciate these ladies. You will get some good advice as well from some of them. I have a problem that I am asking help on as well. I am in my second marriage also but for only 10 months now, my first marriage was 31 years, it was a horrible marriage but stayed for the boys, when they all left home so do I. Now this marriage he has an ex-wife, that is trouble, if you have read any of my posts you will see the problems that I'm having............ For you and your problem.... well if you are not happy and your aren't, you need to get out now. Like I said I stayed for 31 years but left when my youngest son left home so did I.................... Now that your daughter has left home and you have nothing left to hold you there you need to leave also. It seems that your husband has his own life, a life that he has created for himself and he seems happy with it, his porn sites, and clearly it does not include you.......... I can bet you this much - that while your daughter was at home you devoted every minute to her, your life revolved around her and her activities, right? That was an escape for you so that you didn't have to deal with your own life and the lonely sad feeling that you have now and seemmed to have had for quite a while. If you have to ask for affection and any physical attention it isn't worth it. I have a lot of issues now in this marriage and I am far from anyone to give advice but I have been in your shoes to, my suggestion is that if you get out of this marriage please don't jump back into anything until you know the man you are with, make sure that he is over any old relationships, ex-wives.......... This is something I did I was over my ex and had been for a long time when I met my husband he had only been divorced for 2 mths, we started dating when he was divorced for 5 or 6 months, believe me he was not over her his ex and I don't think he is yet and now I am having to pay the price for that. He is a good man and he is really good to me, just the ex-wife problem. So I do feel cheated on by those feelings he has there, he tell me that I am wrong and he doesn't have any feelings for her except hate, he hates her for what she did to him and the family! So please take time for yourself, and really get your self together before you ever start another relationship. You sound like you have come to the end of your rope with this man and you need to get out, sounds like you need to do it now. Good luck and keep posting, there is some good advice here for you from the ladies that are helping me!
One thing that I forgot to say and that was to your remark about the affair........... I would never do that, I feel that it is wrong to cheat on your spouse no matter how bad the situation is in the marriage, affairs are wrong in my book. I say just get out of the marriage then get someone else just don't get serious to soon into the ralationship. But NO ........I would not have an affair while married, never. I feel that if you are married you owe it to that person to be faithful even if they aren't, you have to live with your actions and they have to live with theirs, two wrongs don't make a right! So just do what is right and you will feel better about it later.
 

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May 13, 2006, 9:07 pm PDT

Thank you for your wisdom

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One thing that I forgot to say and that was to your remark about the affair........... I would never do that, I feel that it is wrong to cheat on your spouse no matter how bad the situation is in the marriage, affairs are wrong in my book. I say just get out of the marriage then get someone else just don't get serious to soon into the ralationship. But NO ........I would not have an affair while married, never. I feel that if you are married you owe it to that person to be faithful even if they aren't, you have to live with your actions and they have to live with theirs, two wrongs don't make a right! So just do what is right and you will feel better about it later.
Just a quick note to say thanks for sharing your thoughts and advice. 
 
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May 13, 2006, 9:23 pm PDT

Need advise on how to Deal with Ex-Wife

I have been divorced for 5 years and I have 2 great kids.  A 14 year old daughter and an 18 year old son who both live with me.  About 6 months ago I met this great guy on myspace.com.  We started emailing back and forth, the we would talk for hours on the phone and one thing led to another and he drove up to see me.  (He lived about 2 hours away.)  His wife was out of town some for business so he was able to come up through the week and he would visit on the weekends when he was "working" on side jobs.  I knew he was married but he said that he just wasn't happy and wanted out and that they were kind of seperated anyway.  He couldn't leave right away because he was going to school and only had a part time job.  He assured me he was going to leave his wife as soon as he gratuated and was able to find a job closer to where I live.  He also wanted time to figure out a way to leave his wife without hurting her.  

   

About three weeks after we started our physical relationship he said he went to her and broke it off and he moved up here with me.  He still had about of month of school left at that time.  I didn't understand at the time because we had not planned for him to move up here until he had a job.     

   

I read an email from his wife that was sent to him that talked about her finding out about the affair and kicking him out.  But, it also stated that the reason she wanted to postpone the divorce was because he was sick and needed to stay on her health insurance.  (Bad Sick)  We called to confront his wife about the lies and she called him back the next day.  To make a long story short she wasn't lying he was.  He continued to lie until she emailed me proof and then he brokedown and told me everything.    

   

I love him very much and he is so good for me and my childern.  I really do feel he is my soul mate.  I think he was just in denial about his illness.  His wife has not contacted me but she is still in contact with him and I need to know how to make it stop.  I had him change his cell phone number so she can't call anymore but when we called to confront her she got the new number off of caller ID.  But as far as I know she has not contacted him on it except to call him back.  But she has sent some more emails.  She wants him to stay on her health insurance until he finds a job because she says she doesn't want to see him dead.  I can take care of him now, if she will just go though with the divorce our life will be perfect.  

   

He hasn't admitted to her that he actually had an affiar so I wrote her an email (with his blessing) giving her some of the details thinking that it would give her closure but I think it just made her mad.  How can I make her just go away.  

   

I know he loves me and my kids.  

   

   

 
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May 14, 2006, 5:26 am PDT

a Perfect Life?

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I have been divorced for 5 years and I have 2 great kids.  A 14 year old daughter and an 18 year old son who both live with me.  About 6 months ago I met this great guy on myspace.com.  We started emailing back and forth, the we would talk for hours on the phone and one thing led to another and he drove up to see me.  (He lived about 2 hours away.)  His wife was out of town some for business so he was able to come up through the week and he would visit on the weekends when he was "working" on side jobs.  I knew he was married but he said that he just wasn't happy and wanted out and that they were kind of seperated anyway.  He couldn't leave right away because he was going to school and only had a part time job.  He assured me he was going to leave his wife as soon as he gratuated and was able to find a job closer to where I live.  He also wanted time to figure out a way to leave his wife without hurting her.  

   

About three weeks after we started our physical relationship he said he went to her and broke it off and he moved up here with me.  He still had about of month of school left at that time.  I didn't understand at the time because we had not planned for him to move up here until he had a job.     

   

I read an email from his wife that was sent to him that talked about her finding out about the affair and kicking him out.  But, it also stated that the reason she wanted to postpone the divorce was because he was sick and needed to stay on her health insurance.  (Bad Sick)  We called to confront his wife about the lies and she called him back the next day.  To make a long story short she wasn't lying he was.  He continued to lie until she emailed me proof and then he brokedown and told me everything.    

   

I love him very much and he is so good for me and my childern.  I really do feel he is my soul mate.  I think he was just in denial about his illness.  His wife has not contacted me but she is still in contact with him and I need to know how to make it stop.  I had him change his cell phone number so she can't call anymore but when we called to confront her she got the new number off of caller ID.  But as far as I know she has not contacted him on it except to call him back.  But she has sent some more emails.  She wants him to stay on her health insurance until he finds a job because she says she doesn't want to see him dead.  I can take care of him now, if she will just go though with the divorce our life will be perfect.  

   

He hasn't admitted to her that he actually had an affiar so I wrote her an email (with his blessing) giving her some of the details thinking that it would give her closure but I think it just made her mad.  How can I make her just go away.  

   

I know he loves me and my kids.  

   

   

Living in LA-LA land here, you are.    ....a divorce would make your life perfect.?..You are the one in denial.......Relationships based on lies are doomed !  What a coward , he can't even admit the truth to his own wife to be with you......and you have to do all the dirty work ?...Are you that desperate...that you  would reduce yourself to a fantasy,  because that is all you are worth ?     And you would expose your Kids to this ?
#1 as long as they are married you need to see how this coward behaves on his own and you stay out of it until He does the work necessary to set himself free....His independent choices and actions will show you who  he truly is .  Don't you deserve more time to know this man ?   This man is in an emotional crisis..death at his door.....and it is not the time to make hasty decsions for either one of you.  He has to end the relationship with her and make her  your quote "go away"....that is not your job........What you owe his wife is the truth about anyhing , if she asks...at this point.     Love gives .......Love also put's another's best interests above your own.       This advice is free ...so only you know what it is worth.       

 
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