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Topic : 10/05 Attack in the Night

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Created on : Friday, September 29, 2006, 09:48:42 am
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On a quiet night in mid-May in beautiful Orange County, California, Greg and Estela Becker were viciously attacked by a man with a hatchet as they slept in their bed. Despite sustaining head and neck wounds from their attacker, they were able to push him out of the room, and Greg ran for help. Their attacker escaped, and police are still working to locate him. In the meantime, an entire community struggles to find peace in what once was a safe neighborhood. Greg and Estela's twin 9-year-old daughters saw their parents covered in blood, adding to the trauma of this event. Their next-door neighbors, Anne-Marie and Billy Linas, were shocked by what they saw when Greg ran to their house for help. Dr. Phil meets with this community to discuss how they can move forward and feel secure again. Talk about the show here.

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October 5, 2006, 7:45 pm CDT

i no what your going threw

             i no whatyour going threw i was rape 8years ago and i gave my house to my sister son and i had 5 years left and would have been payed for i well pray for all of you i no it is hard cause it is still hard for me today but ot dose get better and god well be with you    and yhe guy who did this to got away with it the cops believed him not me i live in a very small town what is bad it was mine daugther boyfriend and my grandson father and he lives 35 mikes from here but i pray to god everyday and i well put your family in my prays god bless you you was so brave today and that is a start       

 
October 5, 2006, 7:50 pm CDT

10/05 Attack in the Night

Quote From: airbear

Think about this for a moment ok people. They pushed the person that was huting them out into hall and closed the door. Leaving there kids volunerable to the mad man. Me as a mother would have never ever done that. They were very, very lucky nothing happend.
I agree. When I heard that, I thought, o.k, the kids were sleeping over somewhere, but then their mom said they were sleeping in the other bedroom! I would've jumped out the window with my husband and gone back in the house another way to get to the kids. Something that's baffling about the story is how and why did the "Killer" know how to get straight to their bedroom and why did he enter just to kill them and not even take or disturb anything? this whole story was strange. My boyfriend was watching with me today and he thought that maybe the man's line of work , or "side job" had something to do with the assault. But that doesn't seem likely, why would they call Dr.Phil if it was like that? Besides the point, it's good to see something good did come from it all, the neighbourhood watch, alot more neighbourhoods should participate in that.
 
October 5, 2006, 8:00 pm CDT

DON"T SLAM YOURSELF!

Quote From: mightypen

Thank you, quietstorm, I thought I was the only one who thought something just didn't seem right about this. It kind of kept nagging at me all afternoon, and I guess I was feeling guilty about feeling the way I did, and so I thought maybe I just didn't fully understand the information presented on the show today, and that is why I am checking the site now. I am usually both a very positive person and more than a little naive and accepting of what I am told, but I just got huge red flags going off in my head when I watched this show. Something just wasn't adding up. I know I am going to burn in you-know-where for even thinking this, and I know I'll be chewed on from writers on this board as well, but I feel a strong need to post this for some reason, and I never post.

 

(Deep breath ...) I don't believe the wife. I think she knew who the attacker was, and I think it had to do with her. I think the husband  was the primary target, but I do not think he knew the person. I think the attacker knew of the husband. I think the attacker had been in the house before because the wife had let that person in their house before. I just get a gut feeling about it, and I feel awful for even bringing it up, but whenever I saw her, a little voice just kept on saying, "She's lying." I don't know if it was something in her eyes, or how she described the events but it didn't seem as if she was telling the truth. Her positioning in the house confused me (why was she where she was after the attack? How did she know the attacker was gone? Why didn't she grab her girls and get out of the house? But of course, when a situation like that happens, it is easy to say what should have been done. If an attacker came after me, I probably would act erratically also).

 

I know I'll get slammed for this. I don't know all the facts. If the woman is innocent, then I feel even worse for smearing her like this and adding to her grief and all this family has gone through, but sometimes that little voice is there for a reason. Dr. Phil has probably had his staff research this fifteen ways to Sunday, and I only saw a snippet, so who am I to say? I was relieved, however, that quietstorm paused a bit also. I hate doubting people like this, it makes me feel like such an ugly person inside. So go ahead and write your opinions of me, it is probably something I have already said about myself in my own head for even thinking this.

You won't get slammed for saying that, and don't slam yourself!  It definetly is a possibility, it would explain why he attacked the husband first, and how he got quickly to the bedroom, and maybe even why she maybe, MAYBE, thought her children were safe. Don't be so hard on yourself, we're all entitled to our opinions, and hey, isn't that what the message board is for, opinions? What if police or P.I.'s kept things like that in because they don't wanna insult the person or felel bad. You're fine for sayin that
 
October 5, 2006, 8:08 pm CDT

just a thought

While watching today's show about the family that was attacked in San Clemente, an idea came to me.  Have the investigators checked into any families that lived in that house previously?  I was thinking that maybe the attacker was the son of someone who lived in that house previously and was having a psychotic moment, mixing them up with someone who traumatized him.   He seemed to know the house and maybe even the neighborhood enough to find the weapon.
 
October 5, 2006, 8:28 pm CDT

10/05 Attack in the Night

Quote From: mamajen21

You won't get slammed for saying that, and don't slam yourself!  It definetly is a possibility, it would explain why he attacked the husband first, and how he got quickly to the bedroom, and maybe even why she maybe, MAYBE, thought her children were safe. Don't be so hard on yourself, we're all entitled to our opinions, and hey, isn't that what the message board is for, opinions? What if police or P.I.'s kept things like that in because they don't wanna insult the person or felel bad. You're fine for sayin that

I was wondering whether or not to post my thoughts on this incident, since everyone seemed to be willing to overlook what I thought were some pretty significant discrepancies.  After reading a little more and seeing there were some others who also had doubts, I decided to take a chance.

 

First of all, I agree - there are definitely some things about this story that don't add up:

 

- the intruder knew his way around the house (this was stated by the husband).

 

-if my children were in the house under these circumstances, regardless of the danger to myself,  I would fight through hell and back to make sure they were safe.  I would not shut myself in the bedroom while some lunatic was loose in my house and leave my children at his mercy.

 

-it's interesting also that the intruder broke into a neighbors house to steel the weapon he wanted to use.    It pretty much seems like this individual knows the neighborhood - he might even live there himself.

 

-the husband sustained the most serious injuries and, (amazingly)), when he went out the window to get help, the intruder decided to leave.

 

-when the husband left to get help, instead of running to check on their children, the wife is yelling out the window?  Her daughter was awakened by her screams.  I don't know, but if it were me, again, my first priority would be to get to my children.

 

It's interesting that the private investigator was leaning toward a gang initiation or just a random incident and neither one makes sense, especially if you go back to what the husband stated about the intruder seeming to know his way around the house.  If the attack were random, that would certainly not be the case.  If it were a gang initiation, for someone to have known where to go and get the tool and then get around inside the house without any problem, would have taken some serious planning.  Do they go to that much trouble for gang initiations?  I really don't know,  I'm just asking.

 

There is definitely more to this than meets the eye.

 
October 6, 2006, 3:08 am CDT

think about this

Quote From: airbear

Think about this for a moment ok people. They pushed the person that was huting them out into hall and closed the door. Leaving there kids volunerable to the mad man. Me as a mother would have never ever done that. They were very, very lucky nothing happend.

had they not pushed the attacker out in the hall nether one of them would be alive now.!!

the guy that was atacking them wasnt going to stop after he beat on them a little, from where im sitting they did the only thing they could do to live, if you are ever attacked like this please call dr phil and go on the show to tell all of us just how you handled the situation, im always willing to listen to anyone who can remain totaly calm when they are being killed and staying totaly comaposed and thinking clearly in a life threating situation, its a true honnor for me to hear the words of some one like you you seem to be able to remain cool-calm-and collected in all situations, maybe you should wright a book and share your secret with the rest of the world.

 
October 6, 2006, 4:25 am CDT

get a gun

I don't think a dog is the answer. Dogs tend to bark all night and are a nuisance to the community. They can also be dangerous to small children.  My son was bitten by a neighborhood dog when he was 11. He's 35 today and still carries the scares of that day.

Get a gun and teach the family how to use it.  Alarms are also effective.  They should be placed outside, so that a loud warning is issued before entry. More homes are a target because of the security at businesses.  So, you have to protect yourself. Get a gun and protect your family.

 
October 6, 2006, 8:08 am CDT

My thoughts exactly

Quote From: airbear

Think about this for a moment ok people. They pushed the person that was huting them out into hall and closed the door. Leaving there kids volunerable to the mad man. Me as a mother would have never ever done that. They were very, very lucky nothing happend.
First I would like to say that it is a terrible thing that happened and I do feel for the family. However  I am also a mother of 2 children, and I could not get over the fact that they had pushed this man out of the room "closer" to the kids. If they had the strength to push him out of the room they should have been able to get him down and take the weapon.  I cant imagine the the childrens room did not have a window, why not brake through the window from the outside and get them out before going to the neighbors house to call for help.  I also thought it was very strange that the neighbor wwas VERY calm.  It is great if you can remain calm under pressure, but your good friend/neighbor is frantic and covered in blood screaming...and the neighbor has NO emotion in his voice?
 
October 6, 2006, 10:12 am CDT

Amazing

Quote From: mightypen

Thank you, quietstorm, I thought I was the only one who thought something just didn't seem right about this. It kind of kept nagging at me all afternoon, and I guess I was feeling guilty about feeling the way I did, and so I thought maybe I just didn't fully understand the information presented on the show today, and that is why I am checking the site now. I am usually both a very positive person and more than a little naive and accepting of what I am told, but I just got huge red flags going off in my head when I watched this show. Something just wasn't adding up. I know I am going to burn in you-know-where for even thinking this, and I know I'll be chewed on from writers on this board as well, but I feel a strong need to post this for some reason, and I never post.

 

(Deep breath ...) I don't believe the wife. I think she knew who the attacker was, and I think it had to do with her. I think the husband  was the primary target, but I do not think he knew the person. I think the attacker knew of the husband. I think the attacker had been in the house before because the wife had let that person in their house before. I just get a gut feeling about it, and I feel awful for even bringing it up, but whenever I saw her, a little voice just kept on saying, "She's lying." I don't know if it was something in her eyes, or how she described the events but it didn't seem as if she was telling the truth. Her positioning in the house confused me (why was she where she was after the attack? How did she know the attacker was gone? Why didn't she grab her girls and get out of the house? But of course, when a situation like that happens, it is easy to say what should have been done. If an attacker came after me, I probably would act erratically also).

 

I know I'll get slammed for this. I don't know all the facts. If the woman is innocent, then I feel even worse for smearing her like this and adding to her grief and all this family has gone through, but sometimes that little voice is there for a reason. Dr. Phil has probably had his staff research this fifteen ways to Sunday, and I only saw a snippet, so who am I to say? I was relieved, however, that quietstorm paused a bit also. I hate doubting people like this, it makes me feel like such an ugly person inside. So go ahead and write your opinions of me, it is probably something I have already said about myself in my own head for even thinking this.

I am absolutely amazed that you can make such harsh judgments about people you don't even know.  Maybe it makes you feel safer to think that it wasn't a random incident, but it does not help the family AT ALL to put the blame on them. You are right in that you don't know all the facts and shame on you for even suggesting that the wife is lying. I think you are the one in deep need of therapy.

 

Some facts that might make you a little less judgmental of the wife....the kids were not left alone. They were in a locked room with their grandmother. There were NO doors unlocked. The intruder broke the glass door in the back yard. There are many more facts that did not get on the show, but the Dr. Phil show is not an investigation show. That's not what this show was about.

 

I hope the next time you think about judging someone you don't know, you'll take breath and realize you can't make judgments without knowing all the facts.

 

If any of the Dr. Phil staff reads these messages, maybe you can add something to one of you shows about the affect of these negative messages. Maybe you can even get this negative writer on your show so she can get some help.

 
October 6, 2006, 10:15 am CDT

I too was attacked and survived

 

 

My attacker broke into my home while I was out returning a video to a Blockbuster store.  Prior to breaking into my home, he broke into the next door neighbors home (who were away) and stole a knife from their home.  He disguised himself with gauze and wrapped his head like a mummy.

He raped me and only after I cried out; "Why are you doing this to me" did he stop and tell me to

lock myself in the bathroom and wait 5 minutes before coming out.  Thankfully he left my home; unfortunately the police work was sloppy and they never caught my attacker. This happened to me 17 years ago (I actually had to stop and count which is a good sign).  This crime changed  my life forever. Thankfully, I received excellent help by participating in a Federally funded research program which offered various types of therapy to determine which type best helped a rape survivor.  I was in the control group which received both types of therapy ; It was not easy, I had to expose myself to being in situations that brought my fear level so high at times I thought for sure I would die, but I made it through and actually the Cognitive Behavioral Therapy which I received has helped me in overcoming other hardships in my life. During the investigation,  the Police said on a number of occasions "regardless of what you do to your home; if someone wants to break in bad enough they will."  Although that may be true, what does help is making sure that you know your neighbors,installing  outside lighting around your home and entry ways, keep shrubbery low, make sure that your deadbolt locks are installed so that the deadbolt is drilled  at least 2 inches into the wood, alarm your house and use your alarm, even if you are going out for 5 minutes ( I was gone for only 10 minutes when my home was broken into).  Don't assume that your dog is going to save or prevent you from being attacked.  Dogs can be given treats or worse they can be slain before you know about it.  Be aware of your surroundings at all times.  Educate yourself on how to not be a victim; but if you happen to become victimized remember that if you survive; regardless of how you survive; you did what it took to stay alive and that above all else is what matters. You lived to tell about it!!!! Lastly, do not let any crime or other life altering event ruin your life; GET PROFESSIONAL HELP TO GET THROUGH THE EVENT!!!!!

God Bless. 

 
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