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Created on : Thursday, October 05, 2006, 04:42:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/11/06) Did you know that your financial decisions could land you on the street?  Are you one paycheck away from disaster? Stacey has two children and one on the way, and she says she is close to being homeless and it's the fault of her kids’ deadbeat dads, and her parents who have cut her off. Stacey's ex-husband, Pete, says their son would be better off living with him. So, why does he refuse to pay child support? And, see what Dr. Phil provides for Stacey to help get her life back on track. Then, a hidden camera experiment shows how people really treat the homeless on the streets. And, meet a family who was living paycheck-to-paycheck when the money stopped coming in, leaving them homeless. Manuel and Heather and their four children have been living cramped in their RV for the last year, where they have no electricity and must take showers at public beaches. The difficult circumstances are taking a huge toll on their family, especially the children. How did they end up in this situation? Dr. Phil makes an important, life-changing announcement to the family. Share your thoughts here.

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October 11, 2006, 3:37 pm PDT

Panhandlers and Homeless are not the Same

Dr. Phil,

 

What happened to you?  Have Oprah and her “nomenklatura” comrades hijacked your show?  You did not show how the homeless are treated; instead, you stuck an able-bodied, healthy man out to panhandle.  Before I had kids, I had a real job in a major downtown business district.  The homeless there never begged (most were mentally ill and not even coherent enough to panhandle).  Some of the secretaries in our building would send untouched left-overs from lunch meetings down to the folks who lived in our parking garage and on the benches in front of the building. 

 

In the summertime, when the tourists arrived, we would see quite a few young, healthy adults show up during beautiful weather to scam for money.  I never saw any of these folks after dark, or sleeping on a bench, or eating out of a trash can.  After concerns of aggressive panhandlers accosting tourists surfaced, our local news media caught one of the fair-weather panhandlers getting into his nice car and driving back to his lovely house in the suburbs.

 

Your staffer collected $20.00 in one hour.  Some of your viewers, like me, have to work a few hours to clear that much after taxes.  I have compassion for those down on their luck, but please do not pour on the guilt trip for those who do not like being accosted on the street.  It is not a safe world we live in, and to try to guilt people into opening their wallets in public or engaging strangers is just not a bright idea.  My area has encouraged residents to give to shelters and not to panhandlers.

 

Americans give generously of their time and resources (just look at the response to Katrina and the Tsunami).  Your self-righteous segment was uncalled for and completely out of character for you.   With so many people in need, couldn’t you have inspired viewers to help by showing the positive work of a local shelter? 

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:37 pm PDT

10/11 One Paycheck Away

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Did you even really listen to the show?   The mother has not even tried to go after child support which she is entilted to.  800.00 sounds like a lot of money but it's not. Consider that you have to have a two bedroom apartment if you even have one child.  Consider half the rent of two bedrooms. Gas and car note to get the children where they need to go.  Their are so many variables that people don't take into consideration.  Men just want any excuse NOT to pay.

I'm sorry but what about the other 2 guys? I didn't even hear her say ANYTHING about them! So he should be the only one stuck with paying just because he isn't a bum? Well that seems fair then.
 

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October 11, 2006, 3:43 pm PDT

Manuel and Heather

Dr Phil you were way to easy on this couple.  I get the feeling Manuel doesn't want to get up and go to a regular job.  It's to easy to play the blame game (not getting to work on time because he couldn't get everything gathered up and leave on time).  Good GOSH...get up an hour or two eariler and take care of getting things in place. 

 

Manuel and Heather evidently don't have logic and reasoning skills:  I can't beleive Manuel didn't ask himself what would happen to his family when he made the decision to stay home with his wife and not bring in an income.  After one week of that....they had to realize this wasn't going to work. 

 

By the way...where did they come up with the money to purchase the travel trailer?

 

Please follow up on this family in 6 months, 1 year, 2 years etc..

 

As usual, the children are the ones that suffer for ignorant, lazy parents.

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:46 pm PDT

The other side of Child Support(there is one)!

I am appauled at how the gentlemen in todays show was treated by Dr Phil on the issue of not paying support.

I am in this situation also.  My husband has 2 children and pays a ridiculous amount in support for them.

When I met him, he was in the process of letting his house go, driving on expired license tabs to get to and from work and had nothing in his house to eat!  This was after learning that he was ordered to pay $925 a month for support, up to $120 in medical coverage a month and was also responsible for any outstanding medical bills that insurance did not cover.

Let me sum it up for you....who are the people that make the laws behind how much support is to be paid by the Father?  They obviously have not gone through this themselves and have no idea what they're doing to some of these Fathers, financially.

How can you consiously write a court order, ordering a Father to pay well over $1100 a month for his 2 children on a $13.50 an hour income?  This is absolutely lude and morally wrong!

I understand the reasoning behind support but do not understand why the courts allow these Mothers to collect support but not put any effort into helping support the children themselves.

We have since borrowed thousands of dollars from family to have it taken back to court and lowered to $600 a month but I have to say, its wrong that we are allowing these Mothers to collect this money and sit on there duffs and not work along with collecting welfare in addition to the support.  What is wrong the system??????????????????

We have these 2 beautiful children every other weekend and they are filthy, clothing has holes in it, are still wearing sandals because 'Mom' has no money to buy them shoes for school, havent had thier hair cut in months and months, havent been to the dentist in over 3 years and are living in filth.  So, Dr Phil, tell me where this money he pays every month, religously, is going?  Its going to a Mother who is a gambling addict and spends the money on new clothing for herself, going to the salon once a month to get her hair done and so on and theres not a darn thing we can do about it.  In our state, my husband is not even allowed to ask where the money is going.

It takes 2 people to bring a child into this world, so why doesnt the system make BOTH of these people help contribute to the up-bringing of thier children?

I feel sorry for any Father out there today who is paying support every month as thier ordered to do because the limits of support that are set, are ridiculous.

If these children were under our care, it would not take this amount of money to raise them every month, no where close to it.

I understand that the gentlemen on todays show is irresponsible because he does not pay his support as ordered but if he in fact is being ordered to pay $8 or 900 a month for one child, my heart goes out to him.

The system does not care if these Fathers live in poverty and cannot pay thier own way through life and its very sad.

I must add that we worked for 4 years to get my husbands credit back up to near perfection only to find out that Mom had taken the kids to the Dr and Emergency Rm on numerous occassions and put the bills that were left over in my husbands name and they ended up going to collections because they hadnt been paid and we werent aware of them until we had gotten collection notices for them for over $3000.  So our hard work in paying our own bills and working hard everyday, snowballed on us and he is now left with credit that is terrible.

Dr Phil, I love you and I love your show but I think its time you do a show on the flip side of this.

Thank you for your time.

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:46 pm PDT

10/11 One Paycheck Away

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I know what Pete is talking about.. I know at least a half dozen men who pay child support and most of the women they pay the support to look forward to that monthly check. They still recieve that monthly child support check and use it on themselves, NOT the children. Some of the women won't re-marry so they can continue recieving child support. Thats wrong! How many women are the cause of the divorce and don't have to pay child support??? Talk about discrimination! It doesn't take nearly half of the mans paycheck to raise a child. I have twin boys and do NOT spend $900(as Pete) to support them! Most men are getting robbed, While the women go shopping for new purses and blowses and NOT using the money for the children.Oh wait, I take that back. They use some of the child support money to buy the child a happy meal.(A $900 happy meal, wow, there must be gold for toys in them meals) 

Is what he needs to do is find a job that pays minimum wage(that way his child support payments will be LOW) and work a job on the side that pays CASH that the government or ex-wife can't see.

The bottom line is the system and government is screwed up.

After all, She (the ex-wife/girlfriend) is being fair, why should he?  

   I'm really surprised by some of the responces, but this one in particular...

   "Some of the women won't re-marry so they can continue recieving child support. Thats wrong!  How many women are the cause of the divorce and don't have to pay child support??? Talk about discrimination! "  What does a woman getting remarried have to do with child support???  Reguardless of the primary parent getting remarried, in no way should this change the responsibility of the other parent. Also, there is no discrimination with child support, if you are the primary caregiver of the children then the other parent is responsible for child support.

 I deffinately understand that there are women that take advantage as well as there are men that do the same, opportunists are everywhere.. Each situation should be judged individually. There are those that truely feel the care of their children comes second to the caregiver. If you feel this way, do something about it besides complaining or slacking on support, your child is the only one who suffers. If you don't feel its important enough to you to seek custody, then obviously it's only about the money....get over it!!!

 I know what its like having a deadbeat ex, but I've managed. In no way does that make it ok, but every lawyer I've spoke with says he'll do jail time, and I can't seem to bring myself to do that to my childrens father. Why is it so hard for a person to do the right thing?!

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:47 pm PDT

child support

     I feel for the Mother who isn't recieving child support. I can't believe one of the fathers reasons for not paying....he doesn't know for sure WHERE the money is going...please....I went through this with the father of  my two oldest children...he wouldn't pay because he thought I was spending the money on myself  and now he isn't paying at all !!!!!  It's been almost 4 years and 30,000. Thank god for my husband Darin who has supported all of us. I've never thought of him as a step-parent but I can say from the bottom of my heart that a step- parent is better than a no parent situation. Good luck to any one who goes through this situation.
 
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October 11, 2006, 3:47 pm PDT

Both parents need to take responsibility

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I cannot believe how badly fathers are treated.  Not all men with children are deadbeats.  If you have trouble supporting ONE child, why have more?  To get more money of course.  I hope Dr. Phil followed up on this woman before the show.  How much support is she getting from the other fathers?  If each father is paying around 600-800 dollars a month that adds up to almost $4,000/ month.  You can't live on that?  She needs to quit using babies and a way to not work and collect money.  Planned Parenthood is FREE!!!!!  There are many options for a single mom to get help with food, bills, childcare EVERYTHING!  Stop whining and become a responsible mother to not only Pete's child, but the other 2 also!  I am so tired of women using men as paychecks.  This comes from a mom who used be a single mom who temporarily went on welfare to get back on track.  Now I'm a fulltime employee, fulltime mom paying back the system for helping when I needed.  Only you are responsible for your decisions.
In response to your statement about deadbeats,I have to disagree with you. First of all I don't recall Dr.Phil ever implying that all dads are dead beats.Unfortunately, there is a large number of parents(male or female) that are court ordered to pay support and make a choice not to pay.The reason that parent chooses not to pay really doesn't matter, just ask the child they are choosing to neglect. And by the way not providing for your child is neglect.The issue is that a mom and a dad chose to bring a child into this world and they both have a responsibility and an obligation to that child.There is no excuse to decide you're going to take a year off from responsibilities. I too was a single mom for a season and the father of my child made a choice and continues to choose not to pay court ordered child support.I now am married and have other children and my husband and I work very hard to provide for our children.My husband has a child from a previous marriage and he pays his court ordered child support.I agree that only you are respoonsible for your decisions.Who is responsible for Pete's child's decisions?Did that child choose to live in poverty or do you think that child would choose to have both parents grow up and take responsibility?To not hold both parents responsible would be a crime.No more letting deadbeat dads off the hook.
 
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October 11, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

10/11 One Paycheck Away

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I'm sorry but what about the other 2 guys? I didn't even hear her say ANYTHING about them! So he should be the only one stuck with paying just because he isn't a bum? Well that seems fair then.

Im sorry but it is not the Fathers responsibility to pay for the Mothers rent and gas in her car.  These are everyday necessities of any individual and have to be paid regardless.

Unless the child has major medical issues, $800 a month is a crime!  These Fathers should be responsible for a portion of the food, clothing and any medical that may arise and this certainly does not take anymore than $2-400 a month.

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

There are other ways

One way is not to marry a woman who cannot be an equal in the relationship.  Many women today marry for a free ride and expect men to support them.  Women today need to take responsibility for their actions.  Sorry that your predecessors fought for equal rights.  Now you have to carry the torch whether you like it or not.

Now if she is having a third child and 900 dollars is what she gets for one then that gives her a good reason to have more.  To bad us guys don't think well when aroused. Must be the lack of blood to a more needy part of ones body. 

As to your $20.00 an hr.  I once lived and panhandled myself while in Las Vegas and if I made twenty bucks a hour I would still be there . Thats more money an hour than I have ever made on a regular job even with overtime.   No I have not paid one penny in child support. I also have not seen my daughter for 19 years as well.  No one cares that I have not seen my child, they are more concerned that she is well cared for which I was doing untill my ex called and I lost my job.   When did we as humans lose our rights to our family?  As a father I was given no help when my wife left for another town.  I ended up in Laughlin Nv. for  13 yrs working and not once was I allowed to know where my daughter was.  So before you place blame on a man making ten thou a year ask what she has done to make it easier for him.  Probably nothing as she is now pregnant again!  I'm sure somewhere it is his fault for this as well.

 
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October 11, 2006, 3:54 pm PDT

Let up!

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I agree with you on one point:  I see these people standing around with their cups out begging for change, and I can't help but wonder why they can't spent that time working?  Plus, who knows what they do with the money they do manage to get-buy alcohol or cigarettes?  On the other hand, those who have fallen into bad times are not in the same boat as the beggars.  You need to realize that sometimes things happen, and it could happen to anyone.  My brother, for example, was born with MD.  He worked hard all his life until the disease took its toll (at a mere 45 years old).  He was "let go" from his job (in which he was pretty comfortable financially until this point), his wife left him for someone else, and he was forced to file for bankruptcy.  No one would hire him because of his deteriorating condition.  He did apply for disability, but that does not happen over night.  It takes a lot of medical evaluations and red tape.  In the meantime, I gave him a lot of money to help him survive until his benefits kicked in-I even helped him pay for his wheelchair because the State was giving him a hard time about funding it (even the MD Foundation, to which millions of dollars are raised each year, was reluctant to help!).  Although my brother had to ask me for money, I hardly feel that he was being a freeloader, trying to cheat the tax payers.  What you need to remember is that every situation is different-sure, there are definitely people out there who would rather get a free ride than work like the rest of us, but there are some that, unfortunately, get hit by hard times.  My brother never thought he would be in need of financial help, but there he was.  I hope everyone out there who reads this throws away their smug attitudes about those less fortunate than us and starts to realize that just because you are reading this in your nice warm house without a care in the world, it doesn't mean that it couldn't happen to you.

What is with everyone? You know bad things happen to good people. My husband and I would have been considered well off 2 years ago. Then I found out I have degenerative disc dease in my neck, and our lives have been a nighmare since. People do not understand that you are not OK, even if you look OK, no one can see into my neck and see the ruputured discs that now require another surgery, or understand how tired you are because you live on pain medication.

Everyone just expects you to "buck up"!

 
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