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(Original Air Date: 10/11/06) Did you know that your financial decisions could land you on the street?  Are you one paycheck away from disaster? Stacey has two children and one on the way, and she says she is close to being homeless and it's the fault of her kids’ deadbeat dads, and her parents who have cut her off. Stacey's ex-husband, Pete, says their son would be better off living with him. So, why does he refuse to pay child support? And, see what Dr. Phil provides for Stacey to help get her life back on track. Then, a hidden camera experiment shows how people really treat the homeless on the streets. And, meet a family who was living paycheck-to-paycheck when the money stopped coming in, leaving them homeless. Manuel and Heather and their four children have been living cramped in their RV for the last year, where they have no electricity and must take showers at public beaches. The difficult circumstances are taking a huge toll on their family, especially the children. How did they end up in this situation? Dr. Phil makes an important, life-changing announcement to the family. Share your thoughts here.

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December 22, 2006, 7:25 am PST

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I  meant to say my pregnancy and delivery and recovery were hellish, not my baby...LOL

~7 months of morning sickness ( all day sickness rather) from conception on !!, hahaha,

~Placenta detached at 37 weeks,

~ INDUCED IMMEDIATELY upon that little finding.

~5 spinals that failed, didnt freeze, or went wrong way, 

~a bunch of student doctors pinching my inner thighs insisting I couldnt feel it when I could , and would have given just about anything to have been able to grab their little necks ..and pinch them,

~a "condom" filled with warm water to mimic the baby's head PUSHING on cervix ( ohhh you dont wanna know that one !! LOL)..

~loss of vision ( for about 5 minutes)

~and finally ( after my mother "chatted" with a doctor) they knocked me out and did an emergency section !!!

 

 

I was never going to do it again, never , never , never !!!

 

Then along came prince charming... and yup, I did it again, THIS TIME I SCHEDULED THE SECTION AROUND MY (new) DOCTORS GOLF GAME AND WE ALL WENT HOME HAPPY !!!

 

                           :)

Hellish Baby huh?? hehehehe  ! Kidding,

 

 
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December 22, 2006, 8:01 am PST

one pay-check away

As I sat and watched this episode, I was surprised at the attitudes toward Peter.  Granted, he hasn't paid his child support in the past year, but as a wife who has had a dead beat dad in the picture, I also know that she could have contacted the authorities to get the money from him.  I get $23.00 week on a $300.00 a month order. Now is that fair?  Of course not, but it is keeping my ex accountable for his obligation. I have also been in Peter's situation. Where we were ordered to pay for child support to the ex-wife. My husband did pay, only to find out she was spending the money on herself, as the children didnt even live with her at the time. Anger doesn't begin to describe the feelings we had. We didnt mind supporting the kids, but not her free- wheeling lifestyle without the kids.  Peter shouldn't be the only one responsible here.  She needs to go after the other father as well. Saying "he's in the wind and I can't find him" is just an excuse. And just a note for her, Sex is not love.  You have to love yourself, before you can have anyone love you, I think. God Bless her mother for being there for her Grandkids.
 
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December 22, 2006, 8:18 am PST

tug of war

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I have never been in the courtroom with them.. In fact, I don;'t even go to the courthouse with him in case I have to see her outside!  I am also the one who has kicked my husband under the table every time he gets upset and goes to say something about her.  Even the children have gotten mad at her and come here complaining about her, and I (you know, the wicked, nasty step mom) has told them both to never speak about their mother that way!  I told them that she is the only mother they will ever have and it is wrong to speak of her that way.  All of this while constantly being scrutinized. You know what the funny thing is?  His ex despises me (simply because I'm the step mom) but when they need to communicate, I"M the one she calls or emails!  I am the go-between because SHE wants it that way.  I got married and became a step mom at 21 years old.  I had such high hopes and told them both that whatever problems they had was between the two of them....not me.  Now I am the one that catches much of the brunt and (no offense) but it is truly because I am the step mom.  I have been fair, loving, kind, and all that I possibly can be to their children, but all their mother sees is "the non-parent".  When the kids get into trouble, we get called.  When we spot trouble coming their way, we get told it's none of our business.  My husband tried to get custody of his kids, and was told he couldn't by HIS LAWYER who didn't't want to take the case all the way.  Then, later when he found out he could've gotten custody, he went to a different attorney and was told to get pictures of the stupid things his ex was doing.  We went to get pictures of her leaving the kids alone to be with her boyfriend, and she made up false reports and had my husband put in jail!  She never gives a thought to what her actions may be doing to her own children.  I think she really thought that my husband would pine over her for the rest of her life, and when that didn;t happen, it made her mad.  It has been a long hard battle and in case I didn't mention it......she lives extremely close to our house, a situation that we have been trying to fix, but can't on limited incomes.  So I do have to say that my view on things is very slanted.  That happens when you are jaded!  Sorry to seem so upset, but I can really feel that man's frustrations as a whole. 
Don't feel bad hun, there are a lot of us "step-monsters" out there.   Nothing we do is ever going to be held up to there standards.  The kids standards or their mother's.  All you can do is know that you're doing the best you can and be the peacekeeper.  My mom used to tell us " you need to be the bigger person". I used to hate hearing that, but it works. Boy, don't ya just hate it when mom's right?
 
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December 22, 2006, 8:45 am PST

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Im sorry but you missed my point completely! I was talking about where the money actually goes and wants the receipts for what the child support goes for : like food clothing school supplies and fees of the like. I am actually a single mom and here in my state they go by his net income which is 22%. Sometimes they (the courts) take the spouses income as well( I have heard of that).

 

As for him "stuck" paying child support well he did lay with her and help her create the child didnt he? Yes. So he should pay for what he agreed and signed the papers in court. If the woman works and carries insurance on the child maybe they agreed to something other then what he is stating in the court papers.  I dont know the WHOLE story with what your hisband and his ex wife agreed to but I also think you have a right to see the court papers on what was really stated in there just in case he isnt giving you the full story(anyone can stretch the truth to their new spouse about what the papers said) So IMHO I would ask to see them.

 

As for her "getting her hair and nails done" if she works and and paying for the childs needs and taking good care of the child then she can spend it anyway she wants(especially if she has enough left from her check and the child support check combined) rather it be taking the child out for a movie, having fun days with them or even buying the other things the child needs. Like school supplies/fees, paying  rent/mortgage, water bill, electric bill, all these things are needs of the child as well  heres is what im getting at with this:

 

rent=roof over their head

water= to cook with for food and for the child taking a bath for good hygeine)

electric= to heat the water, food etc.

 

If you would give us so more details to this story,I would be glad to hear.

 

I also KNOW that NOT ALL women are like that, Im sorry you have to go through this but please find out more info if you can. I for one work full time, and get paid every 2 weeks by the time I pay bills(rentwater is included where I live,which wasnt before, electricity, school lunches, clothes if needed, if the car needs fixed which it did today( to get my child to from school,take her to her Taekwondo classes, dr appts if needed, after that I have $200 to make last till next payday and after that I still have to buy food, get gas(to last for 2 weeks), and the unexpected bills that might come up. Its a shame that some women get criticized for taking care of the children doing all they can and try to provide for the little ones,YES its a shame she said that in front of her child, and I agree with you there. But I would look into that situation a bit more if I was you.

 

 

 


Kudos for you doing what you're supposed to do as a mother. But here's a tip for you. Most court orders regarding child support ie: payments, health care re-embersments, etc, aren't worth the paper they are printed on.  If they were, do you think we would be going through what we are now, trying to get  the money from our exes? My court order stated he would pay 1/2 of all medical bills. To date, I have paid out almost $15,000.00 in hospital bills, since he was 3, due to his lung condition.  Do you think I've seen a cent of it? Not. So it's monumentally naive to say, "he should pay what it says in the court order". In a perfect world, he would.  And stating you only have $200.00 left over after bills? Well, toots, that's more than a lot of us have. Try putting in for the free lunch program at her school, many have them. Or try this one on for size, get rid of the Tae-Kwon-Do classes. Sounds to me that's a luxury you can't afford.

 
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December 22, 2006, 9:05 am PST

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  • I was married, had a home, a few acres, a couple cars, a black lab, and a beautiful baby boy.
  • The baby was diagnosed with leukemia when he was 2 years old.
  • His Daddy said  " I cannot live a life with a child in a bubble, never have any company over and always in the hospital." ( immune comprimised/deficient due to chemo)
  • NICE ??
  • I agreed, he shouldn't have to live that way, and I shouldn't have to cater to a full grown man who was competing against a sick child for attention. 
  • I told him to sell the house, I took my 1/2 of the money in the house, ( ONLY 1/2 nothing more ), I took 1 of the vehicles and MY SON. I left him with all the assets, and asked for nothing in exchange, no child support, no spousal support, no pension division ( i didnt earn that pension why should I take it? )
  • The man has paid nothing in 9 years, the baby went through several years of chemo, and continual added illnesses, and THIS SINGLE MOM GOT OFF HER BUTT AND WORKED to support her child.
  • I decided long ago that I would never let a man ( or anyone else for that matter ) allow me to become reliant on them for support. I am married again now, but I can, and know I can, do it on my own if I need to.
  • I didnt date either, I had room in my life for only 2 men, my father and my son.
  • I didn't party either, when I was off work I was driving my son in to chemo appointments, or check ups, or just taking his weak little self  for a short walk.
  • The hospital was more than 2 hours away, ..im sure there were more fun things I would rather do with my child too !
  • I also dont wear designer clothes, I too, worked in one place that was male dominated ( which is great because most times men are far better to work with than women).
  • I worked 2 jobs, 5am -2pm and 4pm - 2am, I had enough time to have a quick dinner with him, and a cuddle in the early mornings. Luckily, both companies knew the situation, and I could easily schedule days off as needed, so that was indeed an awesome bonus !!!! Kudos to those understanding bosses !!!!!.
  •  I  think I have WALKED IN HER SHOES 1st, and then some.
  • I think spousal support should be outlawed unless the "custodial" is totally incapable of self sufficiency.... and if thats the case, they should not be looking after a minor child to begin with.
  • Child support should be a 1/2 and 1/2,  each party should be responsible to pay 1/2 of the costs, minus any amout a child contributes.  Every situation has different needs, special needs, wheelchairs, therapies, big money items that may require a bit more help than just 1/2 and 1/2, especially if a parent must stay home due to a clinical ( to the child) diagnosis that requires a constant supervisor. Parents are cheaper than house keepers  nannies or nurses, but that doesn't mean they should get to stay home forever on a previous Dx of "add" or "adhd", for a child who currently attends regular higschool or college.
  • And as far as keeping receipts, I keep receipts for everything, so yes, it is possible and very easily done. I may not be a very organized person, but I do know my finances.
  • Every thing you buy, ask for a receipt, put it in a box. on the 1st of each month, sort the receipts out, put them in an envelope, and mark the envelope with the month on it and the major purchasses ( washing machine, fridge, television, vaccuum..etc), it also is a big help when something breaks and all you need to do is go through the envelope to get the reciept, prove warranty and take it back.
  • I keep track of pizza orders at school, class trips, special occassions, book orders, everything.
  • ..........The List Can Go On....
  • I understand not ALL women are like the one on the show, but we also need to understand that not all males are dead beats, lots of mothers are deadbeats too, and I dont mean just financially.
  • I do not judge all women, I do not judge all men, but I do agree that the family law system is a mess, extremely one sided and biased against MEN for the most part. ALL PAYORS should have the right to see receipts for items specific to THEIR child.  IMOHO.
  • Sorry , its a rant we all can relate to in some way shape or form, I will jump off my soap box now.
  • Wishing you all luck in ensuring the best interests of your children are provided for.
  • Merry Christmas ! :)
I'd like to thank you.  You are proof positive that not all woman are doormats. I have worked since I was 16, barring time off to give birth and raise my son. You are, or should be,an inspiration to women out there that have the daily pity party and say woe is me, I can't do it.  When I married my husband, he told me from the get go, that no wife of his was going to be beholden to any man, and he taught me self-reliance. 19 years later, I like to think his advice worked. So, you just stay on that soapbox, girl.  I'd say you've earned it.  I hope God blesses you and yours this Christmas.
 
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December 22, 2006, 9:14 am PST

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Dr. Phil today took steps to help these two people, but unfortionately he simply continued what has been happening for a a long time.  At the end of the show, he gave lots of help to the mother but left nothing for the father but a scolding.  I think Dr. Phil should have given the money to the father with the understanding it would then be passed to the mother to help bring some of his child support current.  But instead he gave everything to the mother, counseling, money, etc.  The father is still just a pawn in this situation. 
Here! Here! Thought it was just me who thought that he did that. Granted he smacked her hand and said "bad girl" for popping kids out like skittles, but to pay for her rent? Does the word "Enable" come to mind?
 
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December 22, 2006, 9:28 am PST

Child Support Concerns

I've read many of the responses here, so I'd like to add my own.

 

In regards to child support documentation:

   Some say it is a way for the NCP(non-custodial parent) to control the CP (custodial parent).

 

    My question to that is: how? If your looking at statements and not delegating where the money

    is going how is that controlling the money? Though, it is a good way for the CP to be held

    accountable for the Child Support (AND ONLY THE CHILD SUPPORT) provided by NCP.

 

    Accountability, I believe is the main reason for this concern. NCP's want to know that the

    money given from their paycheck is going towards THEIR child. Not providing for other

    members of the household. Because it's apparent NCP's don't want to, nor should provide

    for other children or spouses/boyfriends in the household.

 

    Solution: I see one solution that may be possible WITHOUT CONTROL is to set up a bank

     account that the NCP can view where that money is being spent. Checks written to grocery

     stores, clothing stores and for what amount. This also keeps a record for both the CP and

     NCP to provide for the court in case a court is involved with this issue.

 

 

In regards to how the money is spent:

 

       Keep in mind that with or without the child each parent as a person would need a home,

       food, water and electricity.  Now, what portion of the utilities do you hold a child responsible

       for?  If you were married would you be charging a child for this bill? No. It would be both

       parents responsibility.

 

       Solution:   Each parent provides utilities so neither household bills would be included

       when figuring out child support.

 

Women Vs. Men:

       I see the need to provide for the child. Not the adult. I've been burned of course or I wouldn't

       be typing now. As for the show today. It was very apparent that if DR. PHIL were to have even

       come close to siding or sympathizing with the man then his female audience (majority)

       would have possibly not tuned in the next day. I see he paid her monthly bill as a favor. But

       did he offer to help the man with legal help? Anything? nope.

 

       Also, it's funny and I'm going through this now. I've read how the step moms are

       understanding where the (mainly) dad is coming from. Where and how the money is spent.

       Also, the stress that a mother can put on their relationship along with straining the

       relationship between the father and child by creating resentment.

 

      It appears that the people that are arguing PRO CP rights are mainly, single mothers, or

      family members of single mothers along with the vast majority out there that hear one story

      of a dead beat dad and from that decide that all dads are dead beat and should pay. Also,

      the man on the show did not seem to be horrible in anyway, though I don't agree on him

     not paying anything.

 

      Those that have not been on the side of the fence of the NCP. Paying hundreds a month

      for a child your only allowed to see 4-6 times a month and then told, The money will be

      raised every 24-26 months. Also, the involvement of having the CP calling and quizzing

      the NCP when the money is coming when they picking up the child and more. Strain on

      any further adult relationships (I sympathize and commend any women who is going

      through this out of love for their man, I hope you know that your support and understanding

      is truly grateful and I hope someday will be returned to you ten fold).

 

My opinion:

       Maybe before the court decides on who is the CP they should have more information.

      

       I believe these are SOME relevant topics courts should look at when deciding:

 

  1. Each parents schooling (grade completed) - shows responsibility, commitment and a sense of goal accomplishment.
  2. Current family - does each parent have family that is willing to help raise the child? Are there any abusers (drinkers, drugs, sexual) in the family that the child may be around and harmed or influenced by?
  3. Housing - How does each parent live? Dirty, Clean not so much what they have but the understanding of hygiene and health in the home. This also sets a standard of what the child will learn and take with them when the grow and move out.

 

well that's it for my thoughts, opinions and solutions.

You may think it's outlandish but "to each their own" and remember to think with an open mind.

I know it's not all about money. But a lot of it is.

 

If you have not seen this first hand, maybe you should spend some time down at a teen clinic where young girls are having baby after baby "to keep the man they love".

 

 
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December 22, 2006, 9:34 am PST

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Granted you do have parents who abuse the child support system but if the child support keeps the lights on then it has gone for the child. If the child support keeps insurance on the parents car then it has gone for the child. I think you see where I am going with this. I have seen many non custodial parents who think that the power bill or car insurance is no way to spend the child support they send. They think buying groceries for the house is in no way the way to spend their child support. What they fail to realize is it is not their child support it is the custodial parents child support. They have to decide what that monthly stipend would best be used for.
I was a single mom for years and I know what the child support should go to.  And yes, it goes for groceries, rent, power, clothes, etc., however, when they complain they don't get enough to eat at their moms and eat non stop at our home, there is a problem.  When your children are wearing clothes and shoes that too small or too large, torn and stained it makes you wonder where your support is going.  When you are paying a high amount of child support and your kids are signed up for free meals at school, you wonder why.  When your kids say there is nothing in the frige but beer and wine, there is a problem.  When they say that all they get for breakfast every day is one bowl of corn flakes and that is all the milk they can have, that is a problem.  When your kids watch their mom cook an entire meal for her significant other for breakfast and they are left with corn flakes, I believe that is a problem.  When the kids say they aren't supposed to talk about anything that goes on at their moms or they get in trouble, that is a problem.  When your ex wife is claiming not to work, but buys a new vehicle, house, and furniture, you wonder where your support is going.  When your ex lies about working so that she can get more child support that is abusing the system.  The courts don't bother to check on the custodial parent, only the non-custodial parent's wages are checked.  If the mom tells the court she is not working, they don't bother to check.  When your ex tries to keep dad from having a continuing relationship with his kids because she knows that the less time he has them the more money she gets, that is a problem.  My complaint as a step mom and watching my husband go thru this is that women do abuse the system and the courts do not care.  Going back to court only adds lawyer fees to an already stretched budget, plus you are ordered to pay for her attorney as well, since "she isn't working."  My husband has been ordered to pay more than half of his take home wages to support his sons.  While we struggle to make ends meet, she is living a much better lifestyle and goes on vacations a year.  There is something wrong with this picture.  Changes need to be made so that the fathers are not viewed as a non participating, non loving, non supportative dads who don't care about his kids.  Fathers are parents too and should have rights to maintain a relationship with their kids while paying a fair child support amount that is actually spent on his children.
 
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December 22, 2006, 9:43 am PST

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Here! Here! Thought it was just me who thought that he did that. Granted he smacked her hand and said "bad girl" for popping kids out like skittles, but to pay for her rent? Does the word "Enable" come to mind?

I agree. My wife and I were both shouting at the TV..."No Dr. Phil, you've missed this one by a mile!"

 

I have had a similar experience, watching my ex-wife spend, spend, speds, while I end up buying my children's coats and paying for "extras" that were supposed to have been paid from the support...and I pay PLENTY of support.

 

It's about both people being accountable, not just the husband. This guy certainly SHOULD have been paying something; whatever he could afford. But the mother?????..she gets pregnant and obviously cant't work, and HE'S supposed to support her??? I don't think so.

 

Also, Dr. Phil suggested he was goind to be paying her legal costs...while the husband has to carry his alone. WHY? This guy wasn't exactly Mr. Responsibility, but I'll bet thousands of other divorced Dad's felt his frustration.

 
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December 22, 2006, 10:03 am PST

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I've read many of the responses here, so I'd like to add my own.

 

In regards to child support documentation:

   Some say it is a way for the NCP(non-custodial parent) to control the CP (custodial parent).

 

    My question to that is: how? If your looking at statements and not delegating where the money

    is going how is that controlling the money? Though, it is a good way for the CP to be held

    accountable for the Child Support (AND ONLY THE CHILD SUPPORT) provided by NCP.

 

    Accountability, I believe is the main reason for this concern. NCP's want to know that the

    money given from their paycheck is going towards THEIR child. Not providing for other

    members of the household. Because it's apparent NCP's don't want to, nor should provide

    for other children or spouses/boyfriends in the household.

 

    Solution: I see one solution that may be possible WITHOUT CONTROL is to set up a bank

     account that the NCP can view where that money is being spent. Checks written to grocery

     stores, clothing stores and for what amount. This also keeps a record for both the CP and

     NCP to provide for the court in case a court is involved with this issue.

 

 

In regards to how the money is spent:

 

       Keep in mind that with or without the child each parent as a person would need a home,

       food, water and electricity.  Now, what portion of the utilities do you hold a child responsible

       for?  If you were married would you be charging a child for this bill? No. It would be both

       parents responsibility.

 

       Solution:   Each parent provides utilities so neither household bills would be included

       when figuring out child support.

 

Women Vs. Men:

       I see the need to provide for the child. Not the adult. I've been burned of course or I wouldn't

       be typing now. As for the show today. It was very apparent that if DR. PHIL were to have even

       come close to siding or sympathizing with the man then his female audience (majority)

       would have possibly not tuned in the next day. I see he paid her monthly bill as a favor. But

       did he offer to help the man with legal help? Anything? nope.

 

       Also, it's funny and I'm going through this now. I've read how the step moms are

       understanding where the (mainly) dad is coming from. Where and how the money is spent.

       Also, the stress that a mother can put on their relationship along with straining the

       relationship between the father and child by creating resentment.

 

      It appears that the people that are arguing PRO CP rights are mainly, single mothers, or

      family members of single mothers along with the vast majority out there that hear one story

      of a dead beat dad and from that decide that all dads are dead beat and should pay. Also,

      the man on the show did not seem to be horrible in anyway, though I don't agree on him

     not paying anything.

 

      Those that have not been on the side of the fence of the NCP. Paying hundreds a month

      for a child your only allowed to see 4-6 times a month and then told, The money will be

      raised every 24-26 months. Also, the involvement of having the CP calling and quizzing

      the NCP when the money is coming when they picking up the child and more. Strain on

      any further adult relationships (I sympathize and commend any women who is going

      through this out of love for their man, I hope you know that your support and understanding

      is truly grateful and I hope someday will be returned to you ten fold).

 

My opinion:

       Maybe before the court decides on who is the CP they should have more information.

      

       I believe these are SOME relevant topics courts should look at when deciding:

 

  1. Each parents schooling (grade completed) - shows responsibility, commitment and a sense of goal accomplishment.
  2. Current family - does each parent have family that is willing to help raise the child? Are there any abusers (drinkers, drugs, sexual) in the family that the child may be around and harmed or influenced by?
  3. Housing - How does each parent live? Dirty, Clean not so much what they have but the understanding of hygiene and health in the home. This also sets a standard of what the child will learn and take with them when the grow and move out.

 

well that's it for my thoughts, opinions and solutions.

You may think it's outlandish but "to each their own" and remember to think with an open mind.

I know it's not all about money. But a lot of it is.

 

If you have not seen this first hand, maybe you should spend some time down at a teen clinic where young girls are having baby after baby "to keep the man they love".

 

I believe if the fathers of this country would united they would get better treatment in the courts.  I think your idea of putting the child support directly into an bank account, paying for the needs of the kids; with the fathers and courts being allowed to monitor this would put an end to most of the abuse of where it goes.

My formula for which parent should have custody is the parent that is the most willing to have both parents be involved with their children, who provide a loving and safe home, who share information and who do not try to alienate the other parent, should be the custodial parent. 

When the kids are afraid of the mom's significant other or are left home alone frequently they should not have custody.   If the boyfriends kids are treated better by your ex than your own kids, this is a sign of a non caring mom.

If the courts actually did something to the cusodial mom when she violates its order, maybe they would think twice before doing it again. 

However, when she refuses to allow scheduled visitation, or any type of telephone contact, or refuses to include the dad's name on the school records this should be a violation of the court and something should be done.   Once they realize that the courts do not hold them accountable for their actions, its is a free playing field for them.  I believe they would stop the manipulation of the kids and her need to be vindictive and controlling of the ex she did not want if the court held them accountable for their actions.

I feel sorry for dads who want to be a part of their children's lives but are only given 2 weekends a month to hold it together.  I feel bad for dads who ex uses the kids to manipulate and hurt him.  I feel bad for the kids whose mom tries to wipe their dads out of their lives so that they can bring in a new one.   I feel bad for the kids who are manipulated and controlled by their mom by threatening not to love them if they don't do what she wants.

The courts aren't really looking out for the best interest of the kids, they are only listening to who is the better liar.  My husband's ex should get an academy award for every time she has gone into court, she gives a command performance.

 

 
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