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Created on : Thursday, October 05, 2006, 04:42:21 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/11/06) Did you know that your financial decisions could land you on the street?  Are you one paycheck away from disaster? Stacey has two children and one on the way, and she says she is close to being homeless and it's the fault of her kids’ deadbeat dads, and her parents who have cut her off. Stacey's ex-husband, Pete, says their son would be better off living with him. So, why does he refuse to pay child support? And, see what Dr. Phil provides for Stacey to help get her life back on track. Then, a hidden camera experiment shows how people really treat the homeless on the streets. And, meet a family who was living paycheck-to-paycheck when the money stopped coming in, leaving them homeless. Manuel and Heather and their four children have been living cramped in their RV for the last year, where they have no electricity and must take showers at public beaches. The difficult circumstances are taking a huge toll on their family, especially the children. How did they end up in this situation? Dr. Phil makes an important, life-changing announcement to the family. Share your thoughts here.

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October 12, 2006, 12:36 am PDT

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This episode made me so incredible angry that I was compelled to come to the website and see if others felt the way I did after watching.  Instead, I see the majority of people want to share their own sob stories about how hard they have it in life.

First, y'all have internet access.  You can't be doing THAT bad. 

Second, no one said life was supposed to be easy.  If you can't afford the children you have, like the first guest, don't have another one.  There are tons of options out there - before and after getting pregnant - that should be considered, for the sake of that child and the children she already has.  Second, if your spouse gets sick, make sure you get to your job on time so you don't get fired. 

These people infuriated me!  And Dr. Phil continued the enabling by giving the first guest free rent and the second a rent-free townhome.  I watch Dr. Phil religiously - and this was the first time I was disappointed in him.  Teach these people to fish, Dr. Phil. 

The problem with this country is everyone wants a free ride without taking any responsibility for the bad choices they make.  And the children end up suffering.  It's ridiculous, sad, and again, infuriating.
     Life might not be made to be easy, but what is wrong with a man giving an offering from the heart. and who are you to be saying how Dr. Phil chooses to use his finances or resources?He told them that they were going to have to acomplish goals and make on with their lives.  You didn't listen closley enough, he was starting the fishing lessons.  He was more concerned about placing the children in a stable environment then getting the parents on the up and up, to what they can do, not to what you think they should do.  I get mad too because there are alot of people do want a free ride, but don't lose heart for Dr. Phil, it seems Robin keeps his head on straight in the morning, and I heard "it's not for free" so ya sound like a good kid, kick back, take a deep breathe, and we can start telling some fishing stories.  Did ya hear about the one that got away?,,,,,,,,
 
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October 12, 2006, 1:54 am PDT

lessons for little ones

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Did I understand correctly? Dell only posed as a homeless person for 1 hour?

He got $20 in an hour.  Many people don't make $20/hr working at a job.  So lets say he did that for 5 hours a day.  That is $100/day $500/week  IF he only begs 5 days a week, with no TAXES taken out!

 

Lets say he does it for 8 hours a day; thats$160 a day; thats $800 a week. WOW

 

Have you ever seen people with signs that say "Will work for food."  Have you ever tried to get them to work for you?  So far my husband has asked many people with those signs to come work for him at our rental property.  Only 1 has actually done any work.

 

Have you ever had someone ask you for money for food?  We never give them money, but we do offer to take them into the restaurant. and buy them a meal.  Most of the time they will not come into the restaurant with us.  Makes ya wonder what they were going to do with the money?

 

     Ten years ago my boys were 5 & 6 as we lived in Vancouver Wa.  My husband, boys and I went to the city park for lunch and to play, then to explore the downtown area since we were new to the area.  

     There was a large number (20+) of men that appeared to be the homeless men, that my husband stated lived near the river and the railroad depot a couple of blocks away.  Some of them had harmonicas out, they were playing music and looking like they were having a nice time.  They mostly had dirty looking long hair, most had layered clothes because the layers were thin and old. 

    Our 6 y/o asked if we could take our food over to them and let them eat.  Both my husband and I told him after we had lunch.  Just as I was laying out the food three of the men came walking over to the table and asked that if we had any left overs if we wouldn't mind letting them having it.  I said that it would be fine, that it may be just a while because the boys were still playing.  My husband came over and asked if I was okay and I laughed and told him of the conversation. 

     After we ate, my husband and boys took everything we had left over to them.  They were so surprised.  They had only expected a couple of slices of bread and meat, but even though some were drinking and other things, they were enjoying each others company on a warm spring day and it just felt good to share, even though we did not have much at the time. 

     They asked if the boys and my husband could stay for a bit, I saw my 5 & 6 y/o dancing, some of the men were tapping their toes to the beat.  These were  men that if my husband saw get on a train, he would have to call ahead to the next stop to get them off. 

     So to answer your question in a long winded way, yes, I have been asked for money, though no one in this group did.  And I agree with you in offering to buy the food instead of giving them the money,  but this was the most memorable because we were able to teach our boys how to give with dignity and with maintaining the takers dignity, for you never know if the next time if you will be the giver or the taker.  They also learned they can rejoice with people that may not share the same life style, culture, and age.  Isn't it wonderful what a little food and dance can do?

 
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October 12, 2006, 1:58 am PDT

I SO AGREE WITH YOU

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Dr. Phil,
I rarely disagree with you and what you provide for people and what you say to people. Today that changed. I was watching your show about that family living in the RV and it just outraged me. I too suffer from bipolar/panic/anxiety you name it disorder. I go to school and lead a normal life. I don't live in an RV and complain about being homeless. Her husband is just making excuses not to work. Look at his work history! These people do no deserve a house or your assistance. They need a swift kick in the ass. They are lazy and looking for a handout and you just gave it to them. The ONLY people that i feel sorry for are the kids. They should not have to live in the conditions they live in and they don't no deserve lazy unproductive parents.

I have MANY days where I can barely leave the house because of anxiety and I'll be out some where and randomly just start to panic. You don't stop living life with these disorders! I don't have a job because i'm in school but, i am still able to get the medication i need from the county so that i can lead a normal life. Have these people even looked into public assistance of any kind? It really gets me that they write to you and come on your show with their sob story and you hand them a house full of furniture.

Can i come on our show and whine about being bipolar and not having any money? Will you give me a house?
Dr. Phil, I do too seldom disagree with you, but these folks that you referred to as being 'homeless' is not my interpretation of that. They did have a roof over their head and a bed to sleep on. It was obvious the kids had been coaxed as to what to say and act. These people were looking for a big handout and they knew you would give it to them. Anyone in their right mind knew they were probably getting food stamps and that man could have gotten some kind of temp work while the kids were in school. Absolutely NO EXCUSE. And this woman has stress and anxiety and that keeps her from working. I had it for years and worked. I had a bi polar husband (actually crazy) a retarded son with seizures, 2 other kids demanding my attention and I worked. Now my retarded son has passed away, my husband is on meds, my other 2 children don't communicate with me because I had to give my retarded son so much of my attention (??). Now, my husband and I live in a little cheap house where we did without gas last winter because we didn't have money for propane, heated our water on the electric cookstove to bathe and wash dishes. I have had 2 back surgeries. You know the minor kind where they put screws, bars, cages and metal plates in you. Take morphine to help with the pain. But, by george, I'm doing it by myself (along with my husband of 44 years that is wonderful now that he is on medications), just like I raised my retarded son. for 31 years. I didn't ask the government to raise him and I didn't go on a show with a great man with a heart as big as Texas and tell my sob story. I noticed all these children seemed to be healthy as did the father. I just have a few words for you Dr. Phil. First of all. I love you. And: YOU ARE TOO GENEROUS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.
 
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October 12, 2006, 3:49 am PDT

People looking for a handout

On the October 11 show, the second couple made me so angry I saw red. As a person who works with people who are homeless because of unforseen circumstances, these types of people are the ones who take services away from those who truly need them and cause difficulty in getting people to donate time or money to our ministry. That man did not quit his job to take care of his wife. He quit his job because he didn't want to work. He was looking for a way to get other people (in this case Dr. Phil) to take care of his responsibilities with no effort on his part. The wife had an 'anxiety disorder'? Puleeze! The people who come to us for help have that and worse, plus often a mountain of medical bills that caused their situation in the first place. 

 

Those children should be yanked away from these immature freeloaders and placed in foster care until the parents learn some responsibility.

 
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October 12, 2006, 4:23 am PDT

10/11 One Paycheck Away

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If the posters who state that homeless and the poor are looking for handouts, instead spent a little time doing research on poverty statistics, they would find the numbers of those abusing the systems to less than 4%.

 

I wonder how many judgemental people actually know what the poverty line is, or the minium and\or average wage from state to state, or the cost of living from state to state, even county to county.

 

Since the beginning of time, when dealing with the poor, it has been embedded into society's collective mind that it is their fault - whether mental illness, physical illness, substance abuse, environmental factors contribute or not - people don't want to care. 

 

Among the homeless people I worked with last year, most were developmentally disabled and from poor families.   Classism plays a huge role in who gets what in this nation.  Many of these people were addicted to drugs or alcohol by grammar school, two were full-blown alcoholics in kindergarten, and many had fetal alcohol syndrome.  

 

The current relief systems have caps set so low that many do not qualify, and indeed, if they make a dollar over their low monthly income levels, they lose benefits.  Even if they wanted to work, and most that are not mentally or physically handicapped do, they cannot afford to when their paychecks are less than their benefits.  That is a reality in affluent Bergen County, NJ.  

 

Having been a grassroots homeless advocate, I observed a very uncaring attitude on the part of the social workers and county workers and not only that, watched many times as they helped themselves to perks, donations, services, gift cards, county gas, etc.  Talk about being on the dole.

   I too, have been homeless because of  a situation beyond our control. A new landlord bought the rental we'd lived in for 6 years and, long story short, told us when our old lease was up( in  5 weeks) we'd have to pay $300 more a month. Not only that he handed us a packet with a new lease (25 pages long) that had truly assinine stuff in it,such as, no hanging laundry out- on our line.Also, no washing our car( with water (we paid for) I loved the last clause- the landlord reserves the right to raise the rent within the first 30 days if he feels it necesssary. Yeah right!

  I wasn't signing that. So, then began our journey. We'd bought an old trailer , on rented land. The pipes froze, the furnace broke mid-winter. Our "landlords" were true rednecks, anyway, they decided not to pay their bills and the land went up for a sherrrif's sale.

  Anyway, we ended up in the homeless shelter for five months. We were blessed to both have jobs but, it took us that long to find a home because of the desperate shortage of afffordable housing in my area. We'd call about a house or apt. and go on a list of at least  50 people.  It was incredably frustrating to know you  are doing everything you can and getting passed by.

 We did get a house last Feb. We offered 1st. last, and 3 months in advance to sweeten the deal. I'd volunteered at a local drop -in shelter previously, but you get a whole new perspective when it's you that's homeless, or house hunting, or between houses-both sound a lot better than homeless.

  People shouldn't be so quick to judge. It could be them next. All it takes is an accident, illness or some other unfortunate event and you're left scrambling.

   Oh, in case you're wondering, we'd been led to believe our new "landlord" (who'd bought our old house) wasn't going to change any of the terms. We heard that all through the sale- 'cause we'd been such good tenants etc.

 

 
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October 12, 2006, 5:04 am PDT

professional services and pants

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Thank you so much. You made my husband and I giggle 'til we cried. If you (general you) don't want to be embroiled in a future child support issue keep it in your pants, or use the services of a professional. Have a great day.
The intent of the post was not to elicit humor, but rather to point out that child-support laws - in some states - encourage opportunistic women to engage in fraud. Fraud is at best unsavory behavior, in some cases criminal behavior. It is only recently that some states are accepting DNA tests in cases in court, for example, in order to substantiate paternity. In those states, there has been an enormous amount of fraud by women discovered in court, to wit, marry one man because he shows outstanding earning potential. Such a man is excellent child-support fodder. The women then chooses to have a child with another man, divorce her husband, and collect child-support from the bigger wage earner, now her ex-husband.

Certainly, the children are the most important thing. However, support of the children should be the responsibility of the biological father, the one who did not keep it in his pants, at least as far as that child was concerned. Even though he did not keep it in his pants, and was involved in an illicit relationship with a married woman, he still deserves to have an accounting of where the money goes.

In cases such as described above, the services of a professional made no difference ten years ago in states where there was no recourse, and no equal protection, for men in child-support cases.

 
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October 12, 2006, 5:05 am PDT

WAKE UP DR> PHIL

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These cries for help are examples of our sad society.  "My dream would be to find a sponsor..."  SPONSOR????  This society/generation seems to constantly whine and look for handouts. Without a doubt they have sad situations and I don't mean to belittle their hard times.  We've lost touch with the teachings of our elders. Saving for a rainy day, preparing for our future, and money management doesn't seem to be of any importance anymore; instead, everyone seems to be looking for someone else to carry the burden. We are running out of elses!  I've seen time and time again how helping someone out of a hard time doesn't help them in the long run because it's usually their own inadequacies in management that got them there in the first place. Therefore, yet another hard time is in their near future.  For the rare few that work really hard (not their perception of their hard work), I cheer helping them.

 

I dread the showing of how the homeless are treated on the street. I fear the one sidedness. I can say from first hand experience that there is help for the truly homeless. The vast majority have put themselves there and are looking for handouts. Many people are burned out of trying to help others just to see them in the same spot a little further down the road. There are TWO sides to this.

 

If it's not money, it's a relationship that has gone awry.  We don't teach how to deal with either anymore, or we're teaching the wrong lessons.

I agree. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE DR. PHIL. They are mooching off of you because they know if they bring crying children to the show you will help. If you go back next year they will be in the exact same situation. You can't get pregnant three times by mistake or five times like the RV family.

I have worked since 1994 with panic and anxiety disorder because I am a single mom and I had no choice. I am from a third world country and have experienced "real" poverty first hand. That RV would be a luxury home only millionaires could afford in my country. If these spoiled, lazy, bay popping, welfare collecting, pot smoking people want to see how well off they are send them on a visit to a third world country.

 
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October 12, 2006, 5:48 am PDT

what i think you as well as soooo many others have missed

Quote From: msv500

This episode made me so incredible angry that I was compelled to come to the website and see if others felt the way I did after watching.  Instead, I see the majority of people want to share their own sob stories about how hard they have it in life.

First, y'all have internet access.  You can't be doing THAT bad. 

Second, no one said life was supposed to be easy.  If you can't afford the children you have, like the first guest, don't have another one.  There are tons of options out there - before and after getting pregnant - that should be considered, for the sake of that child and the children she already has.  Second, if your spouse gets sick, make sure you get to your job on time so you don't get fired. 

These people infuriated me!  And Dr. Phil continued the enabling by giving the first guest free rent and the second a rent-free townhome.  I watch Dr. Phil religiously - and this was the first time I was disappointed in him.  Teach these people to fish, Dr. Phil. 

The problem with this country is everyone wants a free ride without taking any responsibility for the bad choices they make.  And the children end up suffering.  It's ridiculous, sad, and again, infuriating.
every thing dr phil has done wasnt for the adults as much as it was for the children of those adults, would you get pleasure from seeing a child do without? would you continue to kick your fellow man or woman while they were down, ? orwould you reach out to them and offer a helping hand to get back on there feet? i have read and seen where soooo many people find dr phil as being wrong with his decisions as to who to help and as how to help, and i must say sa long as hes helping with his money far be it to me to say weather hes right or wrong, but just for the reacords i feel he has done the wright thing helping keep a roof over the first guests childrens head and i feel 100% sure he did the wright thing helping the family with 4 children get a roof over there head and food in there bellies, dont the children deserve a chance? sooo many people have lost sight as to what life is all about,
 
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October 12, 2006, 5:50 am PDT

i would think the amount would have been set acording to what amount he brought home at the time of the judgement

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I agree the child supprt is set too high. Stacey seems to be getting pregnant so she doesn't have to work! I've had 4 kids and worked as a waitress to support them. She should try working for a change instead of depending on men to do it for her!
 
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October 12, 2006, 6:05 am PDT

you just said what i said you simply put it to difernt words

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Dr.Phil did not say that the father should pay the child support and the children's lives were not his buisness.  He said that what the mother did with the money was not his buisness and that if the father found out that the children were not being taken care of, then he would have something to say about it. 
 
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