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Created on : Thursday, October 12, 2006, 05:58:12 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/16/06) Imagine your pregnant teen daughter running away to be with her baby's father -- an older man whom she met online. For Heidi, this became reality when her 15-year-old daughter, Brittney, went missing for five weeks. Dr. Phil put private investigator and former FBI agent Harold Copus on the case to find the missing teen. See the confrontation when Harold finally locates her and her 34-year-old boyfriend. Then, find out why Brittney becomes even more upset when she learns what is in store for her. Two months have passed. Has Brittney's relationship with her mother improved? Next Kim, 15, has run away six times in the last year, most recently making it halfway across the country to be with her married boyfriend. Why didn't her parents look for her, and why does she say she'll do anything to get away from them? Can this family learn to get their relationship back on track? Share your thoughts here.

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October 16, 2006, 8:40 pm PDT

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I think it's time for Heidi to step up and take some responsibility for this.  she lets her daughter onto myspace with no supervision.....her daughter gets pregnant, and now they want to dump the little "problem" with a nice infertile couple who are just waiting for another old right wing man to convince another young teenage girl to give up her child.  Sick Sick Sick.  If you ask me, just as sick and the guy who had sex with the teenage girl in the first place.  They try to make "mom" out to be this holier than thou mommy who loves her "baby" so much?  what a laugh.  if she really loved her she'd step up and be a grandma instead of trying to make it all just " go away".  Yup, put  the guy in jail, and dump the baby in a strangers' house to raise.  Sound like a great "life plan" Dr. Phil.  

 

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October 16, 2006, 8:58 pm PDT

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I think it's time for Heidi to step up and take some responsibility for this.  she lets her daughter onto myspace with no supervision.....her daughter gets pregnant, and now they want to dump the little "problem" with a nice infertile couple who are just waiting for another old right wing man to convince another young teenage girl to give up her child.  Sick Sick Sick.  If you ask me, just as sick and the guy who had sex with the teenage girl in the first place.  They try to make "mom" out to be this holier than thou mommy who loves her "baby" so much?  what a laugh.  if she really loved her she'd step up and be a grandma instead of trying to make it all just " go away".  Yup, put  the guy in jail, and dump the baby in a strangers' house to raise.  Sound like a great "life plan" Dr. Phil.  

What's wrong with adoption if a person feels they can't take care of a child???  It sounds like you've never known any infertile couples who long for children just like any other person trying to have one.

As for your statement  "I think it's time for Heidi to step up and take some responsibility for this.  she lets her daughter onto myspace with no supervision.....", I totally agree with that.

 
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October 16, 2006, 9:04 pm PDT

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For those still wondering if there is a male role model in the home.  Allow me to ease your curiosity.  Kim's dad works for my dad so I can honestly say that she does have her father in the home.  He works extremely hard to support his family. He is a very respectable man in my opinion. And Kim's mom......I've talked to her a few times at car shows and she is a very sweet person.  She and Rodney are just playing the hand they were dealt and doing the best they know how.  I do see hope for this family.  Dr. Phil is a miracle worker! 
You can be a very sweet person but when it comes to parenting you have no excuses.  You decided to have children and you have to step up and do what is best for them  if that means working less so you can be with them every minute of the day you do it,  even if you have to sacrific things in order to cut back at work.  You are suppose to do WHATEVER IT TAKES NOT JUST WHAT IS CONVIENT TO YOU AT THE TIME  that is what a true parent would do.
 
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October 16, 2006, 9:15 pm PDT

What is right and wrong

Man created these laws and as we all know man has been wrong in the past on some of his laws.  In the bible it really didn't matter the age.  The main thing is you raise your children the right way and keep them inchurch and show them right from wrong and when they hit the age of accountablility you still enforce the right way of living but they are going to make there owe choices.  When they make these choices they have to live with them.  Raise your children right, teach them, pray with them, and you more than likely you will not have these problems.
 
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October 16, 2006, 9:23 pm PDT

10/16 Runaway Dramas

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HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER SAT BACK AND REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR LIVES AS THEY ARE NOW?  DO ANY OF YOU EVER THINK "IF ONLY I KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW?"  I AM 27 YEARS OLD AND I WAS A VICTIM OF STATUTORY RAPE WHEN I WAS 15.  IT WAS MORE THAN "STATUTORY" TO ME, BUT BECAUSE I KNEW HIM (HE HUNG OUT WITH THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE I DID. PEOPLE RANGING FROM 13YRS TO 19YRS, EXCEPT FOR HIM. HE WAS 24) IT WAS RULED AS "STATUTORY". MY LIFE CHANGED DRASTICALLY AFTER THIS HAPPENED.  MY EMOTIONS WENT CRAZY.  I STARTING THINKING OF SUICIDE.  I HATED MYSELF FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN.  THEN AFTER A WHILE I LEARNED TO EXCEPT IT AND MOVED ON WITH MY LIFE.  BUT THE ANGER, FEAR AND SADDNESS DIDN'T GO AWAY.  I DIDN'T SAY "NO" TO ANOTHER MAN UNTIL I WAS 21 YEARS OLD.  I AM VERY LUCKY THAT I NEVER GOT PREGNANT AND I NEVER (THANK YOU GOD!) GOT ANY STD'S OF ANY KIND. I AM NOW A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON.  I MET MY HUSBAND WHEN I WAS 22 (HE WAS 25) AND LIFE HAS BEEN GREAT EVER SINCE.  HE WAS VERY UNDERSTANDING OF MY PAST AND HE KNOWS HOW MUCH I WOULD LOVE TO CHANGE THOSE 6 YEARS OF MY LIFE.  I HAD TO LEARN THE HARD WAY. 

 

IF I KNEW THEN WHAT I KNOW NOW, I NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.  AS I SAID BEFORE, I AM 27 YEARS OLD NOW AND I AM STILL LEARNING ABOUT LIFE'S LESSONS.  IF A 15 YEAR OLD CHILD IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR VIRGINITY IT SHOULD BE WITH ANOTHER "INEXPERIENCED" 15 YEAR OLD.  IT IS VERY VERY WRONG FOR AN EXPERIENCED ADULT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE (YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS) OF A CHILD.  THAT CHILD MAY THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT THEY DON'T.  AND FOR AN ADULT TO INVADE IN ON A CHILD'S INNOSENSE THAT WAY IS SICK AND WRONG.  CHILDREN NEED TO LEARN AND EXPERIMENT WITH CHILDREN THEIR OWN AGE(BETTER YET, ABSTAIN COMPLETELY UNTIL MARRIAGE).  NO MATTER HOW OLD A CHILD IS, MATURITY WISE, THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE FUTURE.  AN ADULT HAS BEEN THERE AND KNOWS WHAT IS TO COME FOR THAT CHILD.  IT  IS WRONG AND VERY UNFAIR TO THAT CHILD.  THERE IS A LOT OF "BAGAGE" THAT COMES ALONG WITH SEX WHEN YOU ARE NOT READY FOR IT.  TEENAGERS NEED THOSE YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR FUTURE.  THEY SHOULD NOT BE THROWN INTO THE "BAGAGE" OF SEX BY SOMEBODY WHO ALREADY KNOWS WHAT IS IN STORE FOR THEIR FUTURE.  YOU CANNOT KEEP THESE CHILDREN FROM DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, SO THE ADULTS NEED TO BE THE "ADULTS" AND DON'T GO THERE.  DON'T HAND THAT CHILD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MESS UP THEIR LIFE.  LET THEM LIVE AND LEARN WITH PEOPLE THEIR OWN AGE.

You can keep your children from doing things like this, but you have to be there and living the right kind of life yourself.  You have to know your childrens friends and really step up as a parent.  Everyone makes mistakes but what is important is you step up and own them and not push it off on the other party
 
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October 16, 2006, 9:33 pm PDT

I give up too!

I understand Kim's mom.  My 17 year old has been impossible for the last 2 years, walking out everytime we have an argument.  I quit working when my kids were born so I could spend time with them.  They all went to Catholic school.  I was involved as much as possible and feel like my husband and I were good parents.  For what?!  To be spit on, called a "bitch", and told how much she hates me.  Last year, she told me she's bisexual, and doesn't believe in God.  We went to counseling.  That did no good.  The therapist told us, in front of our daughter, that she has never heard of a curfew for a 17 year old!  She also told us, in front of our daughter, that we could not throw her out, but that she could leave if she wished, and we could not stop her.  The police confirmed this for us.  So she is allowed to stay in our house, do whatever she wants, and have no consequences for it.  Her medical doctor knew that I was completely against her being on birth control pills, so he went to my husband and told him she needed the pills to "regulate her periods" (right!)  She couldn't have been happier!  Now daddy pays for her to be able to sleep around!  I'm sick of it.  I can't take it anymore, and I can't wait for her 18th birthday when hopefully I can stop this poison from infecting my other two children.
 
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October 16, 2006, 10:27 pm PDT

10/16 Runaway Dramas

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You can be a very sweet person but when it comes to parenting you have no excuses.  You decided to have children and you have to step up and do what is best for them  if that means working less so you can be with them every minute of the day you do it,  even if you have to sacrific things in order to cut back at work.  You are suppose to do WHATEVER IT TAKES NOT JUST WHAT IS CONVIENT TO YOU AT THE TIME  that is what a true parent would do.

I never said they did have an excuse.  Let's be realistic shall we?  If he were with them "every minute of the day" they wouldn't have a roof over their heads, a car to drive, food on the table or clothes to wear.  It 's not like he works 24/7 becuse he can't stand the turmoil at home.  He provides a good living for his family.   A man doens't work enough and he's concidered a dead beat dad, a man works hard and he's accused of neglecting his kids.  Where do you draw the line?  I remember when "a hard working man" was a good quality.  And your little spill about working less so that you can spend more time with your kids, it's a crock because my dad worked hard, long hours and he still found plenty of time to spend with us.  I nor my sisters or my mother ever felt neglected because he worked too much. 

 
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October 16, 2006, 10:44 pm PDT

10/16 Runaway Dramas

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You are as wrong as the original poster!

 

Why do you think there are laws on the books about adults having sex with young teens? It's called RAPE and it's illegal!

 

Children, even if they BEG for a sexual relationship, are still emotionally and LEGALLY children. It's up to adults to act responsibly (and LEGALLY) and stay clear of young people who are easily swayed and manipulated. Sadly, so many young girls aren't getting affection and care at home that they believe everything these older, scummier men have to say!

 

Sorry, but that's not acceptable...and it's not LEGAL. PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY has to do with ADULTS, not kids. Kids will always be dumber, easily swayed and gullible; that's why they're called CHILDREN!!!!!

You are the one that is off base. Teenagers decide to have sex all the time. Like it or not that is the truth. When I was that age no one could have swayed me, or manipulated me like that. I decide when (when I was a teenager) to have sex. Have you been to a high school lately? Have you read what "children" are putting on their msn myspace? Leave it to Beaver was many many a cynical moon ago. Children are different then young adults.
 
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October 16, 2006, 11:11 pm PDT

Runaways

I don't agree with part of what Dr. Phil said today to the first girl.  He sat there and said to her "you were raped" "You are a victim"..

 

I agree she was a victim of being fooled by an older guy, and while the law says it was "statuatory rape", I don't think Dr. Phil should have said that to her.  To me it was like he was trying to make her feel ashamed and demeaned and dirty.

 

Because I know that is not the way she looks at it.   Whether it is right or wrong, she sees it as she was in love with him and had sex.   I do NOT think it is right for a girl her age to have sex with a man his age. 

 

While what happened is wrong, they should not make her feel dirty, etc.. They should tell her it was wrong to do it but not that it was rape, unless he truly "forced" her to have sex.

 

As to the second girl, Kim, I totally disagree with part of the way he handled that too.. He kept telling her that she could go to the program and leave if she wasn't happy, no one was forcing her to go, etc. And that was not true, as we saw at the end of the show. 

 

They should have said to her at the first that she could go willingly if she wanted, but she WAS going to that program no matter what.  And they didn't. 

 

I am not saying she should not have gone, all I am saying was that they should have told her the truth to begin with.  That she was gonna go regardless of how she felt about it.  Cause to me they have started off on the wrong foot with her in trying to help her.  They may feel justified in doing so, but it is just gonna cause more problems before it gets better.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Janna

 

 

 
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October 16, 2006, 11:39 pm PDT

10/16 Runaway Dramas

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You are the one that is off base. Teenagers decide to have sex all the time. Like it or not that is the truth. When I was that age no one could have swayed me, or manipulated me like that. I decide when (when I was a teenager) to have sex. Have you been to a high school lately? Have you read what "children" are putting on their msn myspace? Leave it to Beaver was many many a cynical moon ago. Children are different then young adults.
You apparently have a poor understanding of the development of the human brain.  It's been clearly shown, and Dr Phil talks about this also all the time, that the parts of the brain (frontal lobe) that controls decision making, impulse control and appreciation for consequences is still underdeveloped and won't finish being developed until at least 18 years of age.

So even though you THINK you were under complete control of yourself at that age you are wrong. There is science out there to prove you were WRONG.

You are WRONG now also, I don't care what name you give kids, "young adult" or whatever, they are still kids who can STILL be taken advantage of by adults.

This is why it's against the law to have sex with minors (or should be in every state) and I'll be the first one there to vote for a federal age of consent law at 10 years of age if it ever comes up.
 
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