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Remember when you were in school and had a harmless crush on your favorite teacher? Today, there are frequent headlines of teachers who are turning these schoolboy fantasies into sexual realities. When 24-year-old Janelle lost her virginity to a 15-year-old student, she says she "wasn't thinking about the law," and she was "in love." Now, she's a convicted sex offender who faces up to 30 years in prison. Janelle's attorney says she was treated unfairly. What does Dr. Phil think? Then meet Owen, the ex-husband of teacher Debra Lafave. Debra made international headlines when she was caught having sex with a 14-year-old student and her attorney suggested she was "too pretty to go to jail." Owen has since divorced Debra, remarried and written a book about being in the center of a media blitz. And, 15-year-old Jason says he had a love affair with his 26-year-old gym teacher, although she denies it, and he says he still has feelings for her. Jason's mom says that he was preyed upon, and she fears he will never recover from it. Talk about the show here.

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October 15, 2006, 7:55 pm CDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: jetnat

Why on earth would anyone say that a person is too pretty to go to prison?? It makes me laugh to think that the prisons in the world are full of very attractive criminals!! Ha!Ha! Not all criminals are ugly and devious looking characters as portrayed on film by the Hollywood mob! Just take a look at the murderers and rapists and really bad criminals that have been sentenced either to death or life imprisonment, they certainly don't look like a "criminal" type, but look like ordinary everyday folk.  What on earth would possess an educated lawyer to make such a stupid statement!! What is a criminal supposed to look like??? How dumb is that ridiculous statement!!? I suppose he also believes that all these attractive vicious killers and rapists should also be let out of prison because they are too good looking to be there?? I am dumfounded that anyone would think this way!

I think the lawyer who made such a statement should see a psychiatrist--today!!!!  And, the dad who thinks his sweet little daughter is getting "unfair treatment."---ALL of the teachers, male AND female, should have a prison sentence and have to register as sex offenders when they molest their teenage students---even if the teenager "wants it" and is a "come on."  Because they are KIDS, for Pete's sake, and the teachers are supposed to be INTELLIGENT adults and should just say NO.

 

There are a lot of people in prison who are "pretty"---and I don't suppose even if this woman (using the term loosely) is any prettier than most.  To say she shouldn't have to go to prison because she is pretty is as bad the the stupid judge who didn't send a convicted child molester to prison cuz he was too short.  I don't care what you look like, how tall or short or whatever, if you commit a crime that requires a prison sentence, stand up like an adult and take the consequences you brought on yourself. 

 

 

 
October 15, 2006, 7:57 pm CDT

a slap on the wrist

 the sad thing is you never know what is going to happen to a perpetrator in court because the justice system is unfair.  You have Mr. Karr that just got off of all of his charges due to some missing evidence.  Think about how his victims must feel.  And these teachers!!!  What are they trying to teach...what a disgrace!  And then you get someone like my husbands ex.  She was with him for 10 years, (married 5).  Raped and molested his cousins, (ages 13 to 16) while at family camping trips, and molested neighbor kids.  She was originally charged with 11 Felony counts of child molestation, including two of them with enhancement charges of "Using anesthetia (Sp) to subdue victims.  She was offered a plea bargain to plead guilty to 1 Felony and the DA dropped the other 10.  Now she had to go to a psychological evaluation to see if she is "fit for prison".  They are recommending her sentencing be ONLY PROBATION!!!!!  and the judge is possibly going to give her custody of her kids back!!!!  It's an OUTRAGE
 
October 15, 2006, 8:55 pm CDT

I don't feel sorry for the perverts

I don't feel sorry for the perverted teachers who can't resist the urge to have sex with little boys just because they feel like they were "seduced"!  For goodness sake they are adults.  What's wrong with these women.  Is it worth the risk of time in jail to get a good lay?  Do they even think of the consequences.  I think teachers need to be taught in their education to become teachers what the teenage boy mind thinks about.  I saw a program where it says the average teen boy thinks about sex every 55 seconds!

 
October 15, 2006, 11:57 pm CDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: bedoss

Just as your info was meant to provide nothing but good, I have faith that you will give me the same respect. God also says that he will deal with the unbeliever, if this person doesn't have a relationship with God you are wasting your breath and actually stepping on God's toes at the same time by trying to do his job. (1 corin. 5, 11-13)  and this also affects your prayer also. God will only answer the prayer of a believer and the prayer must glorify him, so a personal relationship with God has to be established first and this takes the participation of the person themselves. Be very careful on this point, on one hand your life will get easier because the whole world wont rely on your prayer, just you and the people that ask you to pray for them ( look up healing prayer in John), I have faith that your intentions are pure but so was Job's.  The last thing that Job did before God took everything from him was pray for his sons because they might have sinned, when we do this we become judgemental  especially to the unbeliever.  (Job 1, 1-6)  With Love in my heart I say these things, to keep the focus on Jesus and his message (LOVE), If you are a true unbeliever and are still reading this, get to know Jesus, he wants to know you but you have to make the first move. 

How am I trying to do God's job? The passage you are referring to states " 1 Cor 5:11-13 But now I have written to you to not keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside?  Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.  Therefore, "put away from yourselves the evil person. 

 

Yes, He will deal with the unbeliever I realize that.  What I wanted to convey to anyone that read my message was that the "world" wants to call sin something else than sin.  For example, people will call a person who drinks excessively an alcoholic and refer to their condition as a disease.  The disease that we all have is called sin and people try to rationalize their sin and give their sin other names.  The point I wanted to make is---let's call sin what it is-- sin, let's not package it any other form.  Debra LaFave sinned against that boy, most likely to have committed such a sin as that and to have the comments that she had about the sin makes me think that she is an unbeliever.  I am not judging her I am pointing out what she did and calling it what it is---sin.  If I was judging her I would be saying things like, she is a rotten so and so and should be locked away forever, but I am not saying that I am saying she sinned and wanting people to know how God views our sin.  That is why I prayed for her and her salvation.  Now if she is a believer than you know that she is in a worse condition than if she was an unbeliever and still I would pray for her.  I don't know the condition of her heart, only God does. 

 

I am not wasting my breath, in God's eyes nothing is wasted, He uses everything to bring others to Him.  I know... I used to be one of those who was against Him, as you might have been also.  And yes, God does answer prayers of those who don't know Him.  When I was not a Christian, a believer, God did answer my prayers.  The only problem was that I didn't know I was praying to Jesus nor did I acknowledge that He was the one answering my prayers.  It wasn't until I came to know Jesus that He showed me that He had indeed been the one answering my prayers. 

 

Are you saying that I have to a believer before God will answer my prayer or are you saying that the person I am praying for has to be a believer?  If you are saying this then why would we ever pray for anyone that is not a believer? 

 

Please elaborate on your point beginning with "Be very careful on this point....are pure but so was Job's?  The last thing Job did was pray for his sons because they might have sinned has nothing to do with Job being judgmental, He is simply covering his sons in prayer like any good parent does.  God didn't take everything away from Job, He allowed Satan to take it away.  There is a difference.  If God had taken everything from Job it would have been because Job was not right with God, but God allowed Satan to sift him like wheat and take everything from Job to show Satan that Job did love God, not for what God provided but just because he loved Him.  In the process of all that happened to Job, he was judged by his closest friends, even his own wife told him to curse God and die, but Job never did do that. Yes Job questioned God and wanted to know why God was doing this to him and Job learned much about God's character through this trial, but at no time was God punishing Job for  "possibly" judging his son's who might have been unbelievers.

 

I know it is not my place to judge her, I am calling attention to what she did and calling it what God calls it and that is sin, that is simply what my point is.  To an unbeliever anything you say about sin is considered judging, why you don't even have to mention sin, all you have to mention is the name of Jesus in your conversation and they think you are judgmental. 

 

Are you asking me if I am an unbeliever? or are you talking to audience in general who may read your quote?  I myself am a believer.   

 

I enjoyed reading your quote and thank you for taking the time to respond with your views.  May we sharpen each other as iron sharpens iron. 

 
October 16, 2006, 12:14 am CDT

Clarification

Quote From: manofgoods

I fully agree of what you just said. And Looks have nothing to do with it (from the other post). They CAN be deceiving. Thank Goodness that she & this boy didn't have any children together! Women like her at a young age should be messing around with guys my age, if she doesn't want to be married anymore. And she is just about around that (I'm 24, by the way.)!

IIf you agree with what I am saying then why would you make the comment "should be messing around with guys my age, if she doesn't want to be married anymore" what do you mean by messing around?  Please clarify this? 

 
October 16, 2006, 12:22 am CDT

Frustration

Quote From: romocop427

 the sad thing is you never know what is going to happen to a perpetrator in court because the justice system is unfair.  You have Mr. Karr that just got off of all of his charges due to some missing evidence.  Think about how his victims must feel.  And these teachers!!!  What are they trying to teach...what a disgrace!  And then you get someone like my husbands ex.  She was with him for 10 years, (married 5).  Raped and molested his cousins, (ages 13 to 16) while at family camping trips, and molested neighbor kids.  She was originally charged with 11 Felony counts of child molestation, including two of them with enhancement charges of "Using anesthetia (Sp) to subdue victims.  She was offered a plea bargain to plead guilty to 1 Felony and the DA dropped the other 10.  Now she had to go to a psychological evaluation to see if she is "fit for prison".  They are recommending her sentencing be ONLY PROBATION!!!!!  and the judge is possibly going to give her custody of her kids back!!!!  It's an OUTRAGE

I am so sorry that you have gone through this ordeal, it is very heartbreaking.  I also have dealt with the court system and I agree it is not just.  Why is there such a double-standard for women, it doesn't make any sense.  You do the crime you do the time.  I would like to offer a prayer for you, I hope that is okay.

 

Dear Jesus I ask that you make this situation right, right the wrongs in this family.  Lord you have the power to change this situation, Lord I am asking for your intercession for these families, Lord I ask that you give the judges, social workers and all involved the wisdom and understanding to deal with these crimes committed against these children in the manner that they need to be dealt with.  Lord please protect this family from any further harm, Lord please put a hedge of protection around these children that have been violated and selfishly used by another.  Lord I ask that you speak to the hearts of those involved and show them their need for you, if they do not know you.  I ask that they will seek to know you by asking for forgiveness of their sins, seeking repentance (wanting to turn from their sin) and ask you to come and live in their hearts In Jesus name Amen.

 
October 16, 2006, 12:49 am CDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: purplepenny

This is not new and I don't think anyone is saying it is...just because it's been happening doesn't mean it's not an important social and criminal issue that needs to be continually brought to light.

And for the record from what I saw myself this didn't go on in my schools, it's possible, but I never saw anything like it. So it's also possible it never happened in my schools.

Bringing it to light might help empower kids and scare the crap out of bad teachers. Did you report this teacher? Did your friend? How many innocent kids got hurt because you or someone else didn't come forward?

Please don't be upset if she didn't report this teacher, maybe she was afraid to.  Adults can be intimidating when you are that age.  My daughter had a teacher who just didn't like her and she went out of her way to make my daughter's life miserable, I could never figure out why?  My daughter a straight A-student who loved school and was well liked by all of her teachers except this one.  Who knows?  there are some real strange teachers out there, just like there are some real strange people in all professions.  I think most schools know who the problem teachers are but they don't do anything about, they just keep shuffling them from school to school and one day something like this happens.  I think the schools know who their problem teachers are and what the problems are, they just like to sweep things under the rug and pretend like there isn't a problem.  Then something like this happens and everyone is upset!  When in reality everyone knew about it, but the school didn't do anything.  Remember when you were in school everyone had a reputation, that included the teachers and students knew what teachers were strange and who to avoid. 

 

This problem is not going to get any better, in fact it is going to get worse.  Why we have a generation that has the mindset, "if you think it's right for you then it's right".  Our kids are taught to have tolerance and acceptance of all kinds of relationships.  I have even heard about how kindergartners are now being taught that there all kinds of acceptable relationships which include homosexuality.  Is it any wonder that this new kind of relationship should not be tolerated. These kinds of ideas are slippery slopes that lead to all kinds deviant behaviors to be considered to be acceptable.  There is not one standard of truth and that is the real problem and until everyone has the same standard of what right and wrong is-- this problem will not change. 

 

 
October 16, 2006, 1:01 am CDT

10/19 Teacher Caught in the Act

Quote From: michelle67

If this were a male how out raged the public would be!  We would be talking about castrating him!!  I'm sorry her actions far out weigh her looks.  LOCK HER UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY!!!

I agree too.  My question is why is a 15 year old pursuing an older woman?  We've got to tackle these issues from the other side of the coin.  Was this kid molested, most likely.  Was this child exposed to pornography-most likely.  We have a whole generation of kids that don't know what sex was designed for.  What we have is a whole generation of kids being fed a bunch of lies about their sexuality and the other sex. 

 

There is no shame anymore... Just watch any of these raunchy talk shows, like Jerry Springer where people go on TV and bare all their unhealthy garbage who seem to have no boundaries in any areas of their lives, oh how about the internet,  have you checked out myspace.com lately, there is pornography in abundance for our children to view, how about our TV shows, videos, movies. 

 

How do you cook a frog alive? Put him in cold water and turn the heat up slowly.  That is what we are doing to our children.  We have desensitized them from life, they have no shame, no guilt, don't listen to their conscience.  It's like Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible.  I'm not saying all kids are like this but you get my point, I hope.  We are all being boiled alive and don't even know it.  Turn off the internet, turn off the TV, stop watching the violent movies and see a change in our society. 

 
October 16, 2006, 5:01 am CDT

YOUR SICK

I DON'T CARE IF YOUR TOO PRETTY! IF YOUR HAVING SEX WITH KIDS YOUR REALLY SICK!!!!  HOW CAN AN ADULT FALL IN LOVE WITH A CHILD?!?  AS FOR THAT LAWYER,  HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF!  HE HAS NO SCRUPLES EITHER!!

 
October 16, 2006, 7:45 am CDT

It's definately not new

This is definately not a new issue.  Over 20 years ago I began an 8 year relationship with a woman just after my 16th birthday.  She was a teacher at my highschool and was 22 years old.  My parents found out and tried to keep us apart, but that doesn't work.  We both denied what was going on to them, everyone else, and for a long time to ourselves.  What complicated this was that it was a 'same-sex' relationship....and the first for both of us.
 
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