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Created on : Thursday, October 12, 2006, 06:05:47 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/06) Do you spend money frivolously, or do you hold on to every cent? Katie says when she and her husband, Joe, were dating, he wined and dined her, but when they got married, he became so cheap that she had to buy her own wedding ring, and he refused to take her on a honeymoon. When Katie lost over 40 pounds and wanted to buy clothes that fit, she says Joe told her to just gain the weight back. Joe says he has to control all of Katie's spending, or they would end up in the poorhouse. Is Joe really the penny-pincher Katie says he is, or is Katie's spending the real problem? Next, Ericka says her friend, Carlena, has "caviar taste with a tuna fish budget," and that if she doesn't learn to control her shopaholic ways, she'll end up on the street. Carlena says she deserves everything she buys -- designer clothes, over 100 pairs of shoes, and the TV in her car -- even if she can't afford them. Carlena's spending has gotten so bad, she had to move back home with her mother, Leonetta. Leonetta joins the show via satellite with all of Carlena's possessions on her lawn. Don’t miss her shocking ultimatum to her daughter and share your thoughts here!

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June 6, 2007, 8:13 pm PDT

To "Upallnight..."

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I would like to have seen Dr Phil send Carlena to New Orleans to volunteer for a day or two.  I nearly broke my jaw when it hit the floor after hearing her WHINE "My stuff....."  She will learn some hard lessons as they pertain to herself but might really benefit by hearing from poor, hard-working people who lost everything that they had paid for. 

 

Carlena, look at the Hurricane Katrina message board.  Your stuff should be donated to them and you need to pay your mom back.

RIGHT ON SISTER.

 

This is the best post I've read - you've said it like it is........ BRAVO.

 
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June 6, 2007, 8:35 pm PDT

Second Hand Rules!

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I, too, could well afford to shop at the fancy malls, but what a bore!!!  The Salvation Army has a rack the entire length of the store (takes all morning to go through it) of designer labels, and the rest of the stuff is just fine, too; many brand new, some with tags; shopaholics and mall addicts get tired of them or just want an excuse to go shopping (the wife on todays' show definitely strikes me as this type) and is "too good" to buy even at high-end consignment stores, so off to the full-price rip-you-off retail mart they go, leaving their practically new spoils for us SMART girls to get.  Not to mention all the other cool stuff I've found (wool oriental rug, 10-speed, TV) there.

People who bash second hands stores probably rarely or have never been to one.   There are all kinds of advantages to second hand stores.  First being the stuff you will buy there is often close to new (or even new) and higher quality than the child labor stuff you would buy at Walmart or Target.   Second, second hand stores are often connected to charities or if they aren't they are often local businesses which puts money back into your community.  And at least even if the clothes are made my child labors(which so many clothes are) you are not directly supporting that.  

 

 

 
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June 6, 2007, 8:59 pm PDT

She Will Be Paying Alright-Probably for the Rest of Her Life

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GROW UP, drop the 'ATTITUDE', quit USING YOUR MOTHER, get a J-O-B and FOLLOW THROUGH with Dr. Phil's help..... you'll respect YOURSELF and develop (real) PRIDE, when you pay for things YOU EARN YOURSELF.

 

YOU ARE NOT, I REPEAT N-O-T 'ENTITLED' TO THE FINER THINGS IN LIFE, JUST BECAUSE you're Carlena.  GET REAL.  You are only a Legend In YOUR OWN MIND.  Got it?.

 

SO GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND AGAIN ----- G-R-O-W the hell UP.

She will probably be paying for the rest of her life.  38,000 in credit card debt will mulitply out of control.  If she gets herself no further in debt and pays none of her debt off she will probably be at close to 50,000 in debt one year from now. 

 

I am sure she will find a top of the notch exquisite apartment because she is Carlena.  Oh wait, if you have no job or one that doesn't pay much, have ruined your credit rating, etc., I'm sure you will still get into a luxirous place because your Carlena.   Speaking of which she said on the show the everyone talks about her...anyone else think that she is confusing the words talk about which, the word mock her.  

 

Wow they will lend money to anyone these days.  No job, 38,000 in credit card debt and someone gave her a car loan.  But the creditors anyway know that she will make a few payments and they will go and get the ugly SUV back and lease it to some other guilable person.   It goes to show that these days there is some predatory lender who will lend money to just about anyone.  But then again they know that all they have to do is once she gets a job or a bank account, is go get a court order to attach repayments to her pay or bank account.   And with the amount she owes this will likely be the outcome, although they pay let it multiply a little more. 

 

Hopefully the ugly gas guzzler will be reposed soon.   By the way people are not impressed by giant gas guzzlers (again please reference the difference between the words talk about and mock-really if your not convinced look up SUV on urban dictionary).  She seems like the type who wouldn't care if she killed someones child with it (which she is already doing anyway aka Katrina/global warming and children with asthama and respritory conditions).  I'm sure she doesn't care about the troops and children in Iraq she is killing by driving it either (this is assuming it hasn't already been reposed).  Anyway I am glad she likes large vechiles because the public bus is probably going to be her sole source of transporation for many years to come once everything catches up to her.     

 

Anyway Carlena enjoy life in the poor house, because your creditors have you hostage for life.   

 
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June 6, 2007, 9:27 pm PDT

06/05 Big Spenders and Cheapskates

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Oh me too, i love thrift stores in general (and consignment shops) I mean why pay full price? I'm always complemented on my clothes and I've found lots of "new" stuff with the tags still on.

 Yes, i'm cheap.. I love coupons and get alot of great deals @ the grocery stores and boy do I love the freebie sites on the internet  (the legitimate ones that don't make you complete offers)

Check our www.craigslist.org in your neighborhood..Peace
 
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June 6, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

Noticed that Too

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 Carlena is a real, genuine, over-the-top piece of work, but something Dr. Phil told her is inaccurate. I know this is a bit off-topic, but I feel I can't let it stand.

Dr. Phil said that every time Carlena whips out her VISA card for something, knowing in advance that she hasn't the means to pay the bill, it means that that retailer has that much less money to pay their employees, to pay their light bill, their rent, etc.

That is NOT true. I have been a retail store manager and I can tell you with authority that WE got paid whether the customer paid their bill or not. Once that charge was approved, we knew we got paid, PERIOD. If the customer couldn't or wouldn't pay their VISA bill, that was the bank's problem, not ours. That security is what the bank charged their outrageous fees for. We paid the bank a percentage up front, whether the customer actually paid his bill or not.

I have another perspective. Some years ago, I got hurt and couldn't work. I had (and continue to have) lots of out-of-pocket medical expenses that my pitiful excuse for insurance wouldn't pay for. I and my wife borrowed a fair amount in order to make a major move across country so I could go to graduate school. My wife works, so for a while we were continuing to struggle along. But eventually, we had to face the fact that we were in over our heads.

We declared bankrupcy. That went against everything I was raised to believe in and I felt guilty about it for a long time. But later on, I got out my calculator and did some figuring. Since the federal government has relaxed or eliminated regulations on what banks can do, and states have repealed usury limits, banks have had essentially a license to steal. Bank fees have skyrocketted at many times the rate of inflation, and interest rates for consumer loans (credit cards), which used to be a reasonable percentage above the going prime interest rate, skyrocketted to anywhere from 7 to 20 TIMES the prime rate.

Over the time we were struggling to pay our bills, we paid the equivalent of the principal borrowed - several times over. No, we didn't pay the entire interest amount we were contracted to pay. But those fine-print contracts that few people without a law degree can read keep changing all the time. Banking is the only industry where one can sign a contract and a party can simply change the deal, without notice and without recourse of the other party. And of course, they always change the deal's terms in THEIR favor, not the customer's.

One can argue that the banks have to overcharge everyone to make up for all the deadbeats like Carlene and I. Not true. The amount of profits banks make in fees and usurious interest cannot be justified by the relatively small percentage of "deadbeats." To underscore my point, the SAME BANKS that got "stiffed" when we declared bankrupcy were among the first to offer me credit cards again just a couple of years after we went bankrupt! Despite our bankrupcy, these banks made thousands in profits from us over the years and THEY WANTED MORE!!

Of course, we have changed our behavior. We are no longer so young and no more do we think we are immortal and invulnerable to injury and sickness. Our main mistake was living under the assumption that our income would be continuous and growing. But calamaties and disasters happen. And bankrupcy is a way to keep from drowning and get a chance for a fresh start. But don't weep for the retailers. And for God's sake, don't weep for the banks.

Ironically though despite inaccuracy the societal damage that someone like Carlena does is probably even worse than what Dr. Phil stated.  People like her are the ones that the people who support the banks point to when they put in new legislation to hurt large numbers of Americans.  I also predict that all the debt in the economy will in a few years(maybe not even) lead to the next Great Depression.  There is also a huge amount of societal damage caused by excess consumption.  

 

Don't even get me started on the banks.  Let me say, get your money out of the big banks and into a credit union.  Location alone is often enough to be able to join a credit union.   By the way Japan recently passed a law limiting interest to 20 percent (still usury, but at least not limitless).   The United States need strict laws against usury.  Even charging small amounts of interests bank could still make plently of money.  The largest banks have more money than almost any other corporations.  

 
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June 6, 2007, 10:04 pm PDT

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People who bash second hands stores probably rarely or have never been to one.   There are all kinds of advantages to second hand stores.  First being the stuff you will buy there is often close to new (or even new) and higher quality than the child labor stuff you would buy at Walmart or Target.   Second, second hand stores are often connected to charities or if they aren't they are often local businesses which puts money back into your community.  And at least even if the clothes are made my child labors(which so many clothes are) you are not directly supporting that.  

 

 

You are so right only the resourcefull survive in this world.
 
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June 7, 2007, 5:54 am PDT

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Check our www.craigslist.org in your neighborhood..Peace
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June 7, 2007, 6:09 am PDT

Wait a minute...

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I agree with the man in this case.  Statistically, women out do men  in the spending of money.  If he did not control the money, his wife might be out shopping for everything.  I give my wife a spending allowance.  I give her $100 per month.  Out of that she has to buy groceries and whatever is left she  can use on herself.  And that is all that she gets. period.  Whenever she goes out if  she takes the car, I first write down themilage and I check it when she  gets home. If the milage exceeds 25miles, she has some explaining to do.  I demand breakfast at 7am Mon thru Sat.  Lunch time can vary.  Dinner hour is precisely at 6pm Seven days a week.  I take my wife out to dinner once a year, on her birthday.  She has two pair of shoes--One pair of dress shoes, and  one pair of work shoes.  She has one dressup dress and five  ordinary house dresses.  She has enough under garnments to change every day for two weeks.  If meals are not on time,  I just get in my truck and go down to the diner and eat. The wife can stay home and go hungry or eat by herself.  If she  doesn't get the morning or evening meal on the table precisely at the times specified, then she can eat by herself.  I am not taking the lazy oaf out to eat.  This arrangement  has worked very well for the past fifteen years.  We are happily married.

$100 a month for groceries? Are you serious or was that a type-o?

 

Or is this a serious post in the first place? I truly hope not because if it is, you're seriously in need of some therapy for your control issues.

 

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June 7, 2007, 6:22 am PDT

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 I'm sorry to say but I am a high school teacher and the attitude of Carlena is that of a HUGE number of teenagers today. I believe it is 99% on the parents. They indulge and spoil their children, mostly out of guilt for being bad parents. So many young people today think that the world "owes" them something but that they shouldn't have to pay for it and their parents are falling right into it. It is so frustrating trying to teach kids that they need to value their education when just today a kid told me he didn't need to graduate from high school because he could "just live with his parents until he was 40". If the parents didn't indulge these kids they might understand the value of hard work.
Carlena is a sad excuse for a human being. She needs to get a job and get a life.

I agree, in part. I don't think it's 99% on the parents' part because our society encourages it as well. Just look at the ads & TV shows out there. Plus the whole,"everyone's great & no-one's a loser" mentality doesn't help. Failure & mistakes can make a person better. But when students aren't allowed to fail, parents are full of guilt & TV says "Of course you can have it too. Here's your credit card!"... what else should we expect?

 

Our boys have chores, responsibilities & rules. They don't get what they want when they want it unless they've earned it or have saved their money. We also hold them accountable for their grades. Yet it's still a struggle at times. There are just so many different factors working against a good work ethic & responsible behavior in this country. It really makes things harder on parents when they're doing so much to raise children into responsible adult.

 
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June 7, 2007, 6:35 am PDT

I know what you mean.

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I really get so very tired of the crying and whining of people, when they allow misfortune to be in their life--then act so suprised when life is upsetting.  No, I have not seen the show yet, but it will probably (at least in the case where the girl has moved back in with her mom) be Mom saying, BUT WHAT COULD I DO? SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO LIVE IN THE STREET!  Oh well !!!!!!!! Obviously the girl has made grown up choices and now should have to live with them.  People----JUST STOP ENABLING EACH OTHER-WE ONLY GROW STRONGER WHEN PAIN AND SUFFERING ENTER OUR LIVES.   More to come after the show airs.  thanks for listening..
I feel kind of that way. I think that if I'm willing to accept something,then I don't have the right to complain about it. For example, I have been married for 33 years. I have a good dependable husband. He has always worked and supported me and the kids. He is not abusive or controlling. He is loving and kind. For the first 20 years I asked him to do things around the house.Like paint, mow the grass, repair stuff. He does not like to do these things. So I decided that I want to grow old with him, and at the 20 year mark, I stopped asking him to do things that I know he doesn't want to do. When I used to ask him,and I always asked nicely,we've never argued about it, he would say nothing and do nothing. After 20 years I felt like I was nagging him to no avail. And it always made me tense and nervous, knowing I was going to ask and he wasn't going to do it.So I changed my way of thinking. I do the yardwork, painting , what repairs I can.(You'd be surprised what you can do when you set your mind to it) I am happier this way. I am happy wih my decision. He is a very good provider and has always worked a lot and sometimes works late hours. I have actually come to enjoy yardwork, mulching,painting etc... And also I don't work outside the home so my time is my own. What I'm saying is, what is the point of complaining all the time. My husband has an aunt and we love her dearly. She and her husband have been married about 60 years. She is still complaining about him not doing anything around the house. He owns his own business has for years, and still works at the age of 79. I think it's human nature to complain about things,but it's not the way I live my life. In any given situation I can take lemons and make lemonade. Some would say that I'm "enabling" my husband to be the way he is. But I don't see it that way. I can't stand arguing and fighting over things that are never going to change. And let's face it, I'm certainly not perfect. And he loves me the way I am. I think if you can't change something, then either accept it and live with it or really do something about it and move on. One thing about me is I came from a family where the father did the "men's" work and the mother did the "women's work". So it was confusing to me that my husband was not into "men's" work. For example,growing up, my dad or my brothers always mowed the yard and did outside work. My mother and I cleaned house, made beds, washed dishes.etc... I never saw my dad wash a dish. So anyway, I have come to know that men can wash dishes and cook(My husband is a great cook on occasion) And that women can mow yards and paint. Actually, my dad didn't think women could actually DO these things. I know one time, my sister and I installed a room air conditioner for my parents. They were both sick at the time, so daddy just had to sit and watch us do it. I told my sister it was probably making him nervous watching us 2 women who didn't know anything about "men's" work. But we did it and it turned out fine.
 
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