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Created on : Friday, July 01, 2005, 05:09:04 pm
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June 22, 2007, 7:45 pm PDT

Raised a kid-and he ain't even MINE

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Kids do not ruin marriages.  That is done by the actions of one or both of the married parties.  My kids didn't ruin my marriage, my cheating husband did.  Some things are fine to say straight to the point, yet an opinion like that should be kept to yourself, it is an opinion, not a helpful gesture.

Look, I've raised my kid-and he ain't even MINE.

 

I've been working with a person with autism for nearly ten years.  I taught him to speak.  I taught him to open a door for ladies.  I taught him how to behave.

 

His old man would come home late at night from God knows where.  THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAVEN'T HAD MUCH TIME TO LOOK FOR A WIFE.

 

I've raised my kid.  Single mothers need not apply.

 

I don't need the girl I marry to "forget" her birth control and ruin my life.  She's getting an abortion because I want my time with her.

 

ALL men's opinions are welcome-especially when they know what they're talking about.  MEN always do, you know.

 
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June 22, 2007, 7:48 pm PDT

I earned it

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Look, I've raised my kid-and he ain't even MINE.

 

I've been working with a person with autism for nearly ten years.  I taught him to speak.  I taught him to open a door for ladies.  I taught him how to behave.

 

His old man would come home late at night from God knows where.  THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAVEN'T HAD MUCH TIME TO LOOK FOR A WIFE.

 

I've raised my kid.  Single mothers need not apply.

 

I don't need the girl I marry to "forget" her birth control and ruin my life.  She's getting an abortion because I want my time with her.

 

ALL men's opinions are welcome-especially when they know what they're talking about.  MEN always do, you know.

I want five years of uninterrupted time with the girl I marry and that five years starts from day one of the marriage, not day one of the courtship.  Any pregnancy will be met by a representative of Planned Parenthood.

 

I earned this five years off.

 
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June 22, 2007, 9:40 pm PDT

its a partnership not a one man show

   You best make shure she understands how you feel about kids and everything eals you say you desrve and want. I don't know no women ever that would be ok with all that u have said. Good luck on finding one that will. Its a chose to have kids and be a good loveing parents. It is a hard job but it also has great huge up side to as well. YOU say you raised you child that wasn't even yours, So do you regret it?? Do u not love this child?? I am not saying everyone should have kids if they don't want to then dont. But u can't expect a women to give up that God given right just becouse u dont want to. Its comprmzeing is what should be done. And as far as what u said if it did happen she would have to abort. THATS NOT YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE. Its her body not yours. She should hear u out and she can choice do have the baby with out you involved at all. And how would you realy feel about that if 20 yrs down the road someone knoks on your door and ask you why how could you?? or is the a risk you willing to take???
 
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June 24, 2007, 10:25 pm PDT

I'll marry if he quits drinking

 

I wasn’t surewhether to put this in the Relationships Over 40 – or here; but I guess theprimary subject is about commitment/marriage – involving alcohol addiction. Ihave been in a distance relationship for over 3 years [introduced by a mutualfriend whom I was visiting and have known since kindergarten].  Two years into the relationship he proposed& I accepted.  He is everything my ex-husbandwasn’t – creative, loving, open & warm, and insightful; I am in my late40’s, he in his mid 50’s; we both have children who love us [me one, he 4], andwe have stable jobs, the main reason I would ever marry is for love, being ableto share my life with him!  I essentiallylive on an island & he has set up a lifestyle in the north where he spendswinters dog mushing and winter activities out at his cabin.  I plan on moving next year.  

After a lot of observation& introspection, it has become clear to me he is an alcoholic, or isentering the mid to late stages of.  Withmuch difficulty I expressed a change of heart about marriage to him until I could see a record of sobriety; but I still maintain my commitment to the relationship. He says he will quit. If it were anybody else I would have given upon this relationship, his many good qualities make me want to give him and ourrelationship, a chance.  Not knowing muchabout alcoholism, other than mainstream information, I found and read a book titled”Under The Influence” by Milam and Ketcham, which addresses “the myths andrealities of alcoholism.”  There were several facts I read that blew me away - at least I never heard this! Besides the fact that 10% of the population processes alcohol on a cellular level different than others, over the history of their life, if these people continue to abuse alcohol more & more their cells actually change.  Alcoholism is a disease that changes the cells - the thing is they get to a certain point where they can’t stop drinking no matter how hard they try - this has nothing to do with their psychology or mental stamina; it has to do with physiology and cell changes.  Well, he told me he would/could “stopdrinking” and that he has “stopped before.” I don’t think he realizes the power the alcohol has over him at this point in his life; and it would be very difficult to tell him everything I’ve learned reading about this disease – i.e., that there is a huge probability he would need treatment to stop. He minimizes the seriousness of it.
 

Am I wrong to think I will take his word he is “stopping” drinking – but yet the times I have asked him whether he was drinking, he admits he can’t lie to me – tonight he said he just had a little though, “not that much”.  I cannot marry him until he is no longer actively drinking, but I cannot see what he is doing everyday due to the distance of our relationship; even if I could it is up to him - we see each other maybe once a month or every other month.  Next year my 17-year old [God willing]graduates and I am quitting my job and moving north to go to school/changecareers - but also to be closer to him. He has such a good heart; sometimes I feel like I must be crazy; surely people are supposed to be smart enough not to fall in love with an alcoholic and why wasn’t I smart enough?  Any suggestions,comments, or experiences you may have had would be truly appreciated from the bottom of my heart because I feel alone in this; I am afraid what my family would say about me "knowingly" being with someone with a disease as all-encompassing as this . . . . my mind goes back and forth back & forth to where I wonder if I even know what the heck i'm doing in life. . . 

   

 
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June 25, 2007, 12:50 pm PDT

Dear vicki,

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I wasnt surewhether to put this in the Relationships Over 40 or here; but I guess theprimary subject is about commitment/marriage involving alcohol addiction. Ihave been in a distance relationship for over 3 years [introduced by a mutualfriend whom I was visiting and have known since kindergarten.  Two years into the relationship he proposed& I accepted.  He is everything my ex-husbandwasnt creative, loving, open & warm, and insightful; I am in my late40s, he in his mid 50s; we both have children who love us [me one, he 4, andwe have stable jobs, the main reason I would ever marry is for love, being ableto share my life with him!  I essentiallylive on an island & he has set up a lifestyle in the north where he spendswinters dog mushing and winter activities out at his cabin.  I plan on moving next year.  

After a lot of observation& introspection, it has become clear to me he is an alcoholic, or isentering the mid to late stages of.  Withmuch difficulty I expressed a change of heart about marriage to him until I could see a record of sobriety; but I still maintain my commitment to the relationship. He says he will quit. If it were anybody else I would have given upon this relationship, his many good qualities make me want to give him and ourrelationship, a chance.  Not knowing muchabout alcoholism, other than mainstream information, I found and read a book titledUnder The Influence by Milam and Ketcham, which addresses the myths andrealities of alcoholism.  There were several facts I read that blew me away - at least I never heard this! Besides the fact that 10% of the population processes alcohol on a cellular level different than others, over the history of their life, if these people continue to abuse alcohol more & more their cells actually change.  Alcoholism is a disease that changes the cells - the thing is they get to a certain point where they cant stop drinking no matter how hard they try - this has nothing to do with their psychology or mental stamina; it has to do with physiology and cell changes.  Well, he told me he would/could stopdrinking and that he has stopped before. I dont think he realizes the power the alcohol has over him at this point in his life; and it would be very difficult to tell him everything Ive learned reading about this disease i.e., that there is a huge probability he would need treatment to stop. He minimizes the seriousness of it.
 

Am I wrong to think I will take his word he is stopping drinking but yet the times I have asked him whether he was drinking, he admits he cant lie to me tonight he said he just had a little though, not that much.  I cannot marry him until he is no longer actively drinking, but I cannot see what he is doing everyday due to the distance of our relationship; even if I could it is up to him - we see each other maybe once a month or every other month.  Next year my 17-year old [God willinggraduates and I am quitting my job and moving north to go to school/changecareers - but also to be closer to him. He has such a good heart; sometimes I feel like I must be crazy; surely people are supposed to be smart enough not to fall in love with an alcoholic and why wasnt I smart enough?  Any suggestions,comments, or experiences you may have had would be truly appreciated from the bottom of my heart because I feel alone in this; I am afraid what my family would say about me "knowingly" being with someone with a disease as all-encompassing as this . . . . my mind goes back and forth back & forth to where I wonder if I even know what the heck i'm doing in life. . . 

   

This has nothing to do with your intelligence; ‘smart’ people fall in love with alcoholics as well as not ‘smart’ people. Also, you know all of this man’s positive qualities; that is why you fell in love with him - YOU are the one who will be living with him, dealing with his addiction on a daily basis; not anyone else. That is why you can’t allow what other people (your family) might say about you “knowingly” being with someone who is an alcoholic. You can’t allow what you think others might say about you to have influence over your decisions; at this point in your life, you’ve got to live for yourself, because hopefully you have discovered that you and only you are responsible for your happiness.

Have you discussed alcohol treatment with your boyfriend? You are probably hesitant to talk to him about it because you are ready to hear his excuses for why he doesn’t ‘need’ to go, etc. Your best option would be to research treatment facilities in the area where he lives, get enough information so that when he brings up an excuse as for why he can’t go, you can counter that excuse with a reason why he CAN go. It is possible that he could go into an out-patient treatment program so that he would attend intensive therapy but also be able to go to work, etc. He needs to learn how to un-do his life-long habit of having ‘a few drinks.’

If your fiance isn’t willing to consider quitting, you’ve got to be realistic. You need to look out for your own best interests, because if you don’t, then who will? I wish you the best.

 
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June 26, 2007, 3:33 am PDT

I hate chichés

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i dont understand why people are so quick to move in, have children, etc BEFORE THEY ARE MARRIED. People just dont take it seriously anymore. And then people wonder why they get hurt or are treated like crap.   :::confused::: They have an old saying that goes why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free.
I used to agree with you completely. Until i met Peter... when i moved in with him i got to know him alot better then when we were just dating. It gave me the chance to see what he is like in the morning. I learn boundaries and we have gotten alot closer. I dont want to have children before we are married but that is a personal choice. I take my relationship with peter very seriously and now we are getting married. I know what i am in for because i know how well we work together... i know that he will help with chores, i know his favorite tv shows... i know how long he takes in the shower.... lol i know he sings in the shower. I know the old saying why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free... cuz i know alot of cows that wont be with that farmer long if all he wants is the milk.
 
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June 26, 2007, 5:27 am PDT

Wish I knew then...

If I could give a young person considering marriage one piece of advice, it would be: Can you two communicate your thoughts, feelings, ideas, and fears openly, without judgement, interuption, and criticism? From that, just about everything else falls in place. Why not? Then, things like money, in-laws, sex, children, etc. will be covered, understood, and agreed or disagreed on.
As someone in their 50s, and third marriage, it isn't about how "cute" they are, how awesome their car is, or the like. Visit a nursing home and take a look... we're not "hot" forever. Ask your parents for pictures of themselves in their 20s, and you can almost see yourself down the road.
A wise old neighbor told me back in the 70s, "watch how a guy treats his mother, and you'll find out how he'll treat you". I've found that to be true most of the time.
Good luck, young ones!
 
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June 26, 2007, 1:26 pm PDT

doesn't know what he wants

Hey everyone,
I have been with my man for five and a half years. We have been living together for three of those years. The topic of marriage has come up previously, and recently it has been a huge topic for us.
He doesn't know what he wants. I have told him that I want to get married.
He has indicated that he is depressed and he thinks he isn't good enough for anyone, and especially not me. His family life is non-existant and he has no real positive relationship figure to look up to.
We just spent the last five hours talking about our relationship and both of us have cried because we love each other and we don't know if it will work. He doesn't want to marry right now, he's not sure if he ever will, to me, or to anyone.
He just left to stay at a friend's house because he needs time to think about us.

I am completely heartbroken.
Please help me.
 
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June 26, 2007, 9:18 pm PDT

how long should one wait?

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This has nothing to do with your intelligence; smart people fall in love with alcoholics as well as not smart people. Also, you know all of this mans positive qualities; that is why you fell in love with him - YOU are the one who will be living with him, dealing with his addiction on a daily basis; not anyone else. That is why you cant allow what other people (your family) might say about you knowingly being with someone who is an alcoholic. You cant allow what you think others might say about you to have influence over your decisions; at this point in your life, youve got to live for yourself, because hopefully you have discovered that you and only you are responsible for your happiness.

Have you discussed alcohol treatment with your boyfriend? You are probably hesitant to talk to him about it because you are ready to hear his excuses for why he doesnt need to go, etc. Your best option would be to research treatment facilities in the area where he lives, get enough information so that when he brings up an excuse as for why he cant go, you can counter that excuse with a reason why he CAN go. It is possible that he could go into an out-patient treatment program so that he would attend intensive therapy but also be able to go to work, etc. He needs to learn how to un-do his life-long habit of having a few drinks.

If your fiance isnt willing to consider quitting, youve got to be realistic. You need to look out for your own best interests, because if you dont, then who will? I wish you the best.

 thank-you for your thoughtful reply . . . drives home a lot.  How long does one give someone to put away the bottle?  This relationship has gone on for 3 years now . . . into the second he knew it bothered me and said he'd work on it; this year i got serious and he said if it meant losing me, he'd quit . . . . just not today I guess ......
 
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June 26, 2007, 9:26 pm PDT

what does your gut tell you?

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Hey everyone,
I have been with my man for five and a half years. We have been living together for three of those years. The topic of marriage has come up previously, and recently it has been a huge topic for us.
He doesn't know what he wants. I have told him that I want to get married.
He has indicated that he is depressed and he thinks he isn't good enough for anyone, and especially not me. His family life is non-existant and he has no real positive relationship figure to look up to.
We just spent the last five hours talking about our relationship and both of us have cried because we love each other and we don't know if it will work. He doesn't want to marry right now, he's not sure if he ever will, to me, or to anyone.
He just left to stay at a friend's house because he needs time to think about us.

I am completely heartbroken.
Please help me.
 I don't know where you two are at in life; but if he doesn't know after 5.5 years with you, you know  you deserve better - we all do!  He needs some kind of counseling or you guys need couples counseling to work out what it is - if he cares enough aboutthe time hehas invested with you.  Otherwise, cut your losses andfind someonewho knows 100% in their heart they want to marry YOU - not "maybe" or "Idont know" but they appreciate and are committed to YOU....that's my two cents for you!  Also, someone once told me when a guy tells you they aren't good enough for you - you should believe it!  [and move on!]
 
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