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Created on : Friday, July 01, 2005, 05:09:04 pm
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Contemplating taking the plunge? Talk with others who are ready to make things permanent.

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July 25, 2007, 2:32 pm PDT

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I have been with my bf for 4 years. Around 1 year of dating I told him I loved him and told him 3 times after that. Each of the 4 times, he ignored me, changed the subject and gave me a blank stare. I confronted him about it and he said he wanted to tell me on the day we get married. Well just this past year he took me to look at engagement rings. I picked one I liked, But we were out one day and I said lets go check out another jewelery store, and he said I thought you picked the one you liked? That comment hinted to me that he might have already gotten the one I liked. He tells people that we are engaged even though we are not. We went to a wedding last weekend and marriage came up. He asked me what kind of time frame I would like to get married and I said after graduation (which is in 3 years). HIs jaw dropped and he told me he hadn't planned on getting married fot the next 6-10 years. Why would he have me look at engagement rings now and tell everyone that we are engaged if he didn't plan on marrying me for the next 6 years at least?????????? Why would someone wait until they were dating someone for 10 years before they told them they loved them????????????????????

Holy! Uhh this relationship is seriously one sided hun, sorry.

I don't think i personally would be willing to share ten years of my life with someone on the chance at  the end they will marry me?!

Way to much can happen in ten years, children being the biggest!

Nope, sorry, i recall a show were Dr.phil was at a place in his life were he was not sure, maybe yea maybe no, maybe wait a few years. His wife robin said no way buster, it either is or it isnt, there is no shades of grey. Either you love me and want to be with me or you don't.

I recall after she let him know this in no uncertain terms she ended the relationship with Dr.Phil, who then proceded to get his head together and realize he had to make a choice, and did not have the right to expect someone to "wait" for him to get his act together lol.

Needless to say, as every one knows Dr.Phil and robin are married have a beautiful family, great career, and look pretty happy to me.

Really, don't like it when people wave a ring around with a condition attached to it, that is such BS. If three years is a realistic time frame to expect a union to be commited to, great, Ten years is a bit much and is obviously unrealistic to you, and to my way of thinking too lol.

In that case you need to sit down and re-evaluate this relationship and set that man down and let him know that this Ten year thing is way out of tune with what you had in mind when you began working towards a union with him.

Let me know how things go.

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Tammy

 

 

 
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July 26, 2007, 12:38 pm PDT

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Hey everyone,
I have been with my man for five and a half years. We have been living together for three of those years. The topic of marriage has come up previously, and recently it has been a huge topic for us.
He doesn't know what he wants. I have told him that I want to get married.
He has indicated that he is depressed and he thinks he isn't good enough for anyone, and especially not me. His family life is non-existant and he has no real positive relationship figure to look up to.
We just spent the last five hours talking about our relationship and both of us have cried because we love each other and we don't know if it will work. He doesn't want to marry right now, he's not sure if he ever will, to me, or to anyone.
He just left to stay at a friend's house because he needs time to think about us.

I am completely heartbroken.
Please help me.

If he doesn't have any positive role model to look up to, then tell him to find one! Sitting on your butt isn't going to solve anything. "You can't steer a ship that isn't moving". Get involved in a group. A church is often a good way to go, if not, join a club anywhere and keep a lookout for anyone that is a good example. This is uncomfortable starting out, he could ask the person/people to be a mentor to him, or an accountability buddy. Having someone to talk to helps in all areas of life, I honestly would suggest one for you too, one who doesn't know your guy so her advice is impartial.

It sounds like he might need some personal counceling (however you spell it). If he doesn't think he isn't good enough for you he might have self-esteem issues, which he would need to work through.  There also might be some childhood trama associated with marriage which would make him unsure if he wants to do that.

I had a similar issue to what you are discribing, my parents didn't have a good relationship nor anyone else I knew, and I had self-esteem issues. It can be a tough time, but if he is like me, he needs a little push.

If he is unwilling to try, he is just stuck in his rut, my advice is to leave him. That insecurity will not leave after any amount of time unless you deal with it directly.

 

 
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July 26, 2007, 12:47 pm PDT

Ready for Marriage?

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I wasnt surewhether to put this in the Relationships Over 40 or here; but I guess theprimary subject is about commitment/marriage involving alcohol addiction. Ihave been in a distance relationship for over 3 years [introduced by a mutualfriend whom I was visiting and have known since kindergarten.  Two years into the relationship he proposed& I accepted.  He is everything my ex-husbandwasnt creative, loving, open & warm, and insightful; I am in my late40s, he in his mid 50s; we both have children who love us [me one, he 4, andwe have stable jobs, the main reason I would ever marry is for love, being ableto share my life with him!  I essentiallylive on an island & he has set up a lifestyle in the north where he spendswinters dog mushing and winter activities out at his cabin.  I plan on moving next year.  

After a lot of observation& introspection, it has become clear to me he is an alcoholic, or isentering the mid to late stages of.  Withmuch difficulty I expressed a change of heart about marriage to him until I could see a record of sobriety; but I still maintain my commitment to the relationship. He says he will quit. If it were anybody else I would have given upon this relationship, his many good qualities make me want to give him and ourrelationship, a chance.  Not knowing muchabout alcoholism, other than mainstream information, I found and read a book titledUnder The Influence by Milam and Ketcham, which addresses the myths andrealities of alcoholism.  There were several facts I read that blew me away - at least I never heard this! Besides the fact that 10% of the population processes alcohol on a cellular level different than others, over the history of their life, if these people continue to abuse alcohol more & more their cells actually change.  Alcoholism is a disease that changes the cells - the thing is they get to a certain point where they cant stop drinking no matter how hard they try - this has nothing to do with their psychology or mental stamina; it has to do with physiology and cell changes.  Well, he told me he would/could stopdrinking and that he has stopped before. I dont think he realizes the power the alcohol has over him at this point in his life; and it would be very difficult to tell him everything Ive learned reading about this disease i.e., that there is a huge probability he would need treatment to stop. He minimizes the seriousness of it.
 

Am I wrong to think I will take his word he is stopping drinking but yet the times I have asked him whether he was drinking, he admits he cant lie to me tonight he said he just had a little though, not that much.  I cannot marry him until he is no longer actively drinking, but I cannot see what he is doing everyday due to the distance of our relationship; even if I could it is up to him - we see each other maybe once a month or every other month.  Next year my 17-year old [God willinggraduates and I am quitting my job and moving north to go to school/changecareers - but also to be closer to him. He has such a good heart; sometimes I feel like I must be crazy; surely people are supposed to be smart enough not to fall in love with an alcoholic and why wasnt I smart enough?  Any suggestions,comments, or experiences you may have had would be truly appreciated from the bottom of my heart because I feel alone in this; I am afraid what my family would say about me "knowingly" being with someone with a disease as all-encompassing as this . . . . my mind goes back and forth back & forth to where I wonder if I even know what the heck i'm doing in life. . . 

   

This has nothing to do with being smart or not. You fell in love with the person, but the habit will kill him. Alchohol does many things to your body, that is all I know for sure. If he goes to the doctor he might find out his timeline on how long he has to live before the disease kills him. If you don't mind loosing him early, and he isn't dangerous when he is drunk (to himself or anyone else) then stay by all means.

He needs to figure out how he can get through this, if he really wants to quit. If you haven't seen him daily then I wouldn't suggest making the hasty move of moving out there, unless maybe you are getting a place on your own.

 
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July 26, 2007, 7:26 pm PDT

Still waiting...........any advice??

 Hi, I am a 30 year old single female.  I have been dating my
boyfriend for a little over 3 years.  Fortunatlely, neither of us
has any children and we don't live together (seems like that should
make the escape easier!) .  The first year and 1/2 of our life
together was fabulous.  We have so much fun together, share
similar hobbies, values, etc.  We both have similar goals in
life.  Everything seemed to be going great until one
day...............I  really became ready for the next step: 
COMMITTMENT and MARRIAGE.  I used to kind of hint around about it,
tease around and stuff.  He took that as nagging and marriage
became a taboo word.   For the next year, I tried to mold
myself into how I thought he would like me and want to marry me
more.   We began fighting ALOT.  For awhile, it was
almost a weekly fight.  For the past 6 months I have laid back,
started doing more on my own and just living my life.  This seemed
to make things better between us.  However, there have still been
some really bad fights.  He's a really great guy, a lot of 
fun, honest, smart, etc.  We seem to for some reason bring out the
worst in each other though.   I don't feel he is there for me
emotionally.  I feel he is there physically, like his physical
prescence is there, but not emotionally.   Last weekend, we
started being intimiate with one another ( I was feeling empty
emotionally prior to it).  I just could not take the physical
intimacy without the emotional intimacy.  I just lost it, I
started crying, I felt so awful.  It felt as if I was letting him
use me, that we had no connection.  I try to have faith in us, I
really do.  I just don't know how much longer I can wait
though.  I truely desire to have a happy marriage and have
children.  I have waited 3 years (well, actually 2 ) for
him.  How much longer do I wait or will I even be happy with
him?  It is very very scary at the thought of leaving
him.   Does he just need to grow up?  Any advice is
greatly appreciated!  Thanks!!
 
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July 27, 2007, 6:30 am PDT

You two have different dreams

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 Hi, I am a 30 year old single female.  I have been dating my
boyfriend for a little over 3 years.  Fortunatlely, neither of us
has any children and we don't live together (seems like that should
make the escape easier!) .  The first year and 1/2 of our life
together was fabulous.  We have so much fun together, share
similar hobbies, values, etc.  We both have similar goals in
life.  Everything seemed to be going great until one
day...............I  really became ready for the next step: 
COMMITTMENT and MARRIAGE.  I used to kind of hint around about it,
tease around and stuff.  He took that as nagging and marriage
became a taboo word.   For the next year, I tried to mold
myself into how I thought he would like me and want to marry me
more.   We began fighting ALOT.  For awhile, it was
almost a weekly fight.  For the past 6 months I have laid back,
started doing more on my own and just living my life.  This seemed
to make things better between us.  However, there have still been
some really bad fights.  He's a really great guy, a lot of 
fun, honest, smart, etc.  We seem to for some reason bring out the
worst in each other though.   I don't feel he is there for me
emotionally.  I feel he is there physically, like his physical
prescence is there, but not emotionally.   Last weekend, we
started being intimiate with one another ( I was feeling empty
emotionally prior to it).  I just could not take the physical
intimacy without the emotional intimacy.  I just lost it, I
started crying, I felt so awful.  It felt as if I was letting him
use me, that we had no connection.  I try to have faith in us, I
really do.  I just don't know how much longer I can wait
though.  I truely desire to have a happy marriage and have
children.  I have waited 3 years (well, actually 2 ) for
him.  How much longer do I wait or will I even be happy with
him?  It is very very scary at the thought of leaving
him.   Does he just need to grow up?  Any advice is
greatly appreciated!  Thanks!!

" I tried to mold myself into how I thought he would like me and want to marry me"

 

If he truly loved you, he would accept you for who you are, faults and all. 

 

Let's face it in the beginning of all relationships, thing are great.  We spend so much time together, do whatever it takes to please eachother, put eachother first , we jump through hoops just to make eachother happy and meet eachothers emotional needs.  First stage of love, truly wonderful but can fall apart quickly when one wants to marry and the other one doesn't. 

 

He could be a great guy, smart, honest but that doesn't mean he wants to get married to you or anybody else.  You can't make him want to get married, you shouldn't have to force him - he'd get married if he wanted to.  If you truly desire to get married and have children, you may have to do that with someone else. 

I don't think one has to grow up to get married, that just may not be his ultimate goal in life.  You two obviously want two entirely different things.  It doesn't make either one of you right or wrong.

 

You are staying in a relationship that is extremely unhealthy for you.  You are staying with him because you are hoping he will change, he may never change.   You ae staying because you are afraid to be alone, afraid of he unknown, and probably don't want to endure the pain of breaking up.  You are not happy with him, you two have been fighting for way too long.    I do believe that it is time to leave and heal your wounds.  Mourn this relationship and when you have healed, find a man who wants the same dreams that you have.  Is it hard, absolutely.  But sometimes it is necessary.

 

 
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July 27, 2007, 11:43 am PDT

Ready for Marriage?

I am a 24 yr old that has been dating my boyfriend for 3 years and he has asked me three times to marry him. But each time he asks me a couple of weeks later he will start acting different towards me and we will fight alot then he'll call it off. Also, he refuses to tell even his mother about the engagment when he ask me. Now he's telling me that he does want to get married and that he's saving up for a ring, but I am feeling like everything he tells me now is not true. I love him and know that he is the one for me, but I'm just really confused about where his mind truly is pretaining to us.

 

After everytime that he asks me to marry him I will get excited(naturally).. but when one of our family members or one of our mutual friends asks us about it he will do this repulsed face and tell them that he doesn't want to get married....After saying that he'll tell me that he is ready but he just doesn't want everyone to know yet...I just don't know what to do anymore...I don't want to give him an ultimatium but I am getting extremely tired of the run around games that he does with me...

 

Please help me!!

 
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July 27, 2007, 3:32 pm PDT

Neither one of you are ready yet

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I am a 24 yr old that has been dating my boyfriend for 3 years and he has asked me three times to marry him. But each time he asks me a couple of weeks later he will start acting different towards me and we will fight alot then he'll call it off. Also, he refuses to tell even his mother about the engagment when he ask me. Now he's telling me that he does want to get married and that he's saving up for a ring, but I am feeling like everything he tells me now is not true. I love him and know that he is the one for me, but I'm just really confused about where his mind truly is pretaining to us.

 

After everytime that he asks me to marry him I will get excited(naturally).. but when one of our family members or one of our mutual friends asks us about it he will do this repulsed face and tell them that he doesn't want to get married....After saying that he'll tell me that he is ready but he just doesn't want everyone to know yet...I just don't know what to do anymore...I don't want to give him an ultimatium but I am getting extremely tired of the run around games that he does with me...

 

Please help me!!

Don't give him a ultimatium unless you are 100% sure that you can carry through with it.

 

He is not ready to get engaged or married at his time in his life.  Maturity comes with age (hopefully) and he has alot of growing up to do.  When two people decide to begin a life together it's filled with excitement, hopes, dreams and want to share their happiness with the world.  

 

This would really be a good time for the two of you to have a sit down and start working on your communications skills.  He needs to realize that you have feelings and he needs to respect them, not trample all over them.  Just by the way you explain this situation, you two have some serious issues and need to resolve them before even thinking about getting engaged. 

 

Instead of even worrying about this ring, start working on this relationship.  Getting married does not solve any problems.  He has a definate lack of respect for you that you can not overlook.  If he doesn't start putting you first, you may need to break up because you should be treated much better than this.  And for you to even accept this behavior and want to take his ring shows me that neither one of you are ready for marriage at this time.

 
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July 31, 2007, 12:48 pm PDT

mother disapproves relationship by threatening suicide

i've been with my boyfriend for the past 5 years and we are ready to spend the rest of our lives together. my mother used to like him (that was about 2 years ago) until she suddenly decided that i won't have a happy marriage with him. her reason behind her disapproval is actually valid - my boyfriend mother is a bit weird. I have made the initial mistake of whining to my mother about how wierd his mother is. after 3 years of having to put up with his mom (which she has never met), she decides that i should not continue with my bf because it's going to lead to marriage and a bad one.

my mom claims that she wanted to talk to his mother to clear up any misunderstandings she has had with her before she would allow me to be with him again. my bf and i have tried hard not to have that happen because it would result in nothing constructive but fights and arguments. in her efforts to reach his mother, she calls her 30 times a day (at the least). my bf picked up once and started arguing with her. needless to say it was BAD.

my mother takes extreme measures to prevent me from "falling into the pit" - threatening suicide. i have been told that threats are usually not as serious as they seem (even though they should be taken seriously), but what really bothers me is that she actually went to the doctors and collected sleeping pills twice (which means she has 40 pills at this point in her hands).

as an adult, i should be able to make decisions on my own (who i choose to spend my life with), but having someone's life "dependable" on me is another thing. my mother is a single parent, and she has no one to depend on but me since i'm her only child. she gives me this unreasonable explanation saying that she's not stopping me from being with him - she says i am more than welcome to choose my future by being with him, and i have no rights to stop her from choosing hers (to kill herself). i have tried my best to communicate with her but with no avail.

i'm happy with him - and i can't see myself happy with anyone else. and i know, i just know, if i break up with him, i will regret it for the rest of my life. i just don't know how to handle my mom.

PLEASE ADVICE. ANY SUGGESTIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS SOO MUCH FOR BEARING WITH ME
 
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July 31, 2007, 4:11 pm PDT

mom's threats

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i've been with my boyfriend for the past 5 years and we are ready to spend the rest of our lives together. my mother used to like him (that was about 2 years ago) until she suddenly decided that i won't have a happy marriage with him. her reason behind her disapproval is actually valid - my boyfriend mother is a bit weird. I have made the initial mistake of whining to my mother about how wierd his mother is. after 3 years of having to put up with his mom (which she has never met), she decides that i should not continue with my bf because it's going to lead to marriage and a bad one.

my mom claims that she wanted to talk to his mother to clear up any misunderstandings she has had with her before she would allow me to be with him again. my bf and i have tried hard not to have that happen because it would result in nothing constructive but fights and arguments. in her efforts to reach his mother, she calls her 30 times a day (at the least). my bf picked up once and started arguing with her. needless to say it was BAD.

my mother takes extreme measures to prevent me from "falling into the pit" - threatening suicide. i have been told that threats are usually not as serious as they seem (even though they should be taken seriously), but what really bothers me is that she actually went to the doctors and collected sleeping pills twice (which means she has 40 pills at this point in her hands).

as an adult, i should be able to make decisions on my own (who i choose to spend my life with), but having someone's life "dependable" on me is another thing. my mother is a single parent, and she has no one to depend on but me since i'm her only child. she gives me this unreasonable explanation saying that she's not stopping me from being with him - she says i am more than welcome to choose my future by being with him, and i have no rights to stop her from choosing hers (to kill herself). i have tried my best to communicate with her but with no avail.

i'm happy with him - and i can't see myself happy with anyone else. and i know, i just know, if i break up with him, i will regret it for the rest of my life. i just don't know how to handle my mom.

PLEASE ADVICE. ANY SUGGESTIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS SOO MUCH FOR BEARING WITH ME
Your mother sounds mentally unstable.
It is emotionally abusive of her to threaten to kill herself if you marry the man that you love. Although any threats of suicide should be taken seriously, your mother's threat is unreasonable and totally irrational. Does a rational person threaten to kill themself when a person in their life doesn't do what they want them to do? None that I know of.
Do you live with your mother at this time in your life?  I am asking because I am wondering if your mother is scared that if you marry this man, she will "lose" you. It is possible that her threats of suicide have nothing to do with your future MIL, it has a lot to do with herself and how she feels about her life. Maybe she feels that once you are married, she will be a person without a purpose in life. Does she have friends or other relatives? Does she have activities or hobbies that she engages in? She needs to have something to look forward to in her life, things that are totally separate from you, so that she has the feeling of value coming from somewhere else in her life.
Are you even engaged at this point? If not, then don't even talk about marriage around your mother. If she brings it up, repeat yourself like a broken record: "Mom, I told you, we aren't discussing or planning anything at this time." Then, change the subject. She wants to control you, and she feels that the only way to maintain that control is by threatening to kill herself.
 
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August 18, 2007, 6:03 am PDT

having doubts

I need to hear someone else's perspective about my current situation.  My boyfriend and I have been dating 2 years, living together 1 year, and have been engaged for 2 weeks.  I accepted his marriage proposal and we're planning a wedding in 2008.

 

My problem is, I always purposely try to find things wrong with our relationship.  Almost like,  I feel like everything has gone wrong with past relationships, so when is it going tto happen this time?

 

My fiance is not a very open person.  I typically find out things about him when he accidently leaves his email inbox open, and I give into temptation and snoop through his inbox.

 

Within the last 8 months, I have discovered that he's been having online relationships with two other girls.  While I am mentioned in his correspondence to them, he never tells me that he's having these online relationships.  I am confident that he has been faithful in our relationship, but don't really understand why he feels the need to talk to other girls in secret in the first place.

 

Is this just another case of me trying to find something to go wrong?  Or do you believe his actions are wrong?  Should I confront him about this again - like I did the first time or let it go?  Confronting him would mean that I would need to admit to peeking through his inbox.

 

Maybe he's just having doubts?  Although my doubts are mainly because of the emails I find in his inbox.

 

Im really confused.

 
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