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(Original Air Date: 10/25/06) Dr. Phil's guests say they have a home wrecker in their life who has destroyed their marriage. Lisa says her five-month marriage to Sean is already in shambles because of his ex-wife, Kristy. Lisa says Kristy makes hateful phone calls, physical threats and frequent attempts to steal Sean away from her. Kristy says she doesn't want Sean back; she just wants him to be a good father to their kids. Then, Sherry says her daughter, Tammy, talked her into divorcing her husband, J.R. Now, Sherry wants to re-marry J.R., but both her daughters are making her choose between them or him. Tammy and her sister say that J.R. controls their mother and they won't support this reunion. Is Sherry making a big mistake, or are her daughters manipulating her? Join the discussion.

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May 29, 2007, 10:52 am PDT

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AS I SIT HERE READING THROUGH ALL THESE NEW POSTS, I AM AT AWE TO SEE PEOPLE WITH SUCH AN IMPUT, YET IT SEEMS THEY DID NOT WATCH THE SHOW WHEN IT ORIGINALLY AIRED.  AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I AM GETTING FROM WHAT IS BEING SAID.  I AM A FATHER IN THE SAME SITUATION AS SEAN, AND YES, I DID SEE THE SHOW.  MY CHILDREN WERE MOVED THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY FROM ME AND I WAS ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BAD GUY, AS A RESULT FROM MY EX-WIFES ACTIONS.  I HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF COURT WITH HER TO ONLY BE TOLD THAT I AM NOT DOING ENOUGH.  SHE LIVES OFF THE SYSTEM, AND I JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT SHE HAS LOST HER JOB......AGAIN!!!   BUT I AM THE DEAD BEAT.  I AM ALSO A RECOVERING ADDICT AND WILL ATTEST THAT THERE CAN BE SOMETHING MISSING IN ONE'S LIFE THAT CAN KEEP THEM IN THAT EVER-REVOLVING CYCLE OF ADDICTION.  IT IS CALLED HAPPINESS.  I FINALLY FOUND IT WHEN I MET NEW WIFE.  OH, DID I MENTION I WORK IN THE FIELD OF ALCOHOL AND DRUG ADDICTION COUNSELING AND SEE THIS ON A DAILY BASIS.  I FEEL PEOPLE ONLY NEED TO COMMENT ON SUBJECTS THEY KNOW 100% OF THE FACTS ABOUT.

Then you know that an addict cannot rely on another person for happiness & their sobriety, that they must find it for them self within them self.
 

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May 29, 2007, 10:56 am PDT

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A bit of both. Because she is still going thru the samething with the ex. And so am I. My husband's ex won't let her child come to my home and the child wants to come to visit her dad and sister but her mother won't let her. And the same with the guests/friends. So it is a bit of both because both of us are living the same exact thing.
Then, WRT your situation, if the bio-mother truly was refusing the father visitation for no reason other than jealousy I would then pursue legal action and follow through.
 

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May 29, 2007, 11:24 am PDT

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The man has tried until he is blue in the face and his wallet is empty from court battles. The court's don't favor the father in nothing only the bio mother. What is he suppose to do, go to jail. Calling the police in front of the children. Oh! That is going to make him look real good. And the mother sits back and say to the children "Oh daddy is crazy or daddy must be high". He has demanded his rights thru the courts and still get's no respect. If you don't know what he has done you have no room to talk. I talk because I live thur it. And there is no getting around women who are stuck on being manipulative demon seeds who insist on making things bad just to make themselves feel good because deep down inside they are nothing. The man doesn't have a tree in the backyard with money on it. Why she he have to bend over three or more times and get no results only to find himself in an early grave.

Calling the police in front of the children. Oh! That is going to make him look real good. And the mother sits back and say to the children "Oh daddy is crazy or daddy must be high".

 

If he has legal proof that he obligated to receive visitation on certain days & at set times, yes... call the police to escort you there to get the kids if she is actively refusing visitation. And if that is needed to see the children, it will actually end up being legal proof that she's not following through with what the court has ordered her to do!

 

If you don't know what he has done you have no room to talk. I talk because I live thur it.

 

Again, I am referring to the show. You are bleeding the lines between whose situation you are referring to. Call me simple but you need to be more clear on that especially when I am not responding to you initially. Or are you posting under both "msgantt" & "princess5000"?

 

 Why she he have to bend over three or more times and get no results only to find himself in an early grave.

 

Because his children are worth it, lol. Again, if he has legal visitation, it costs nothing to call the police to have them enforce visitation.

 

 

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May 29, 2007, 11:25 am PDT

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The man has tried until he is blue in the face and his wallet is empty from court battles. The court's don't favor the father in nothing only the bio mother. What is he suppose to do, go to jail. Calling the police in front of the children. Oh! That is going to make him look real good. And the mother sits back and say to the children "Oh daddy is crazy or daddy must be high". He has demanded his rights thru the courts and still get's no respect. If you don't know what he has done you have no room to talk. I talk because I live thur it. And there is no getting around women who are stuck on being manipulative demon seeds who insist on making things bad just to make themselves feel good because deep down inside they are nothing. The man doesn't have a tree in the backyard with money on it. Why she he have to bend over three or more times and get no results only to find himself in an early grave.

Calling the police in front of the children. Oh! That is going to make him look real good. And the mother sits back and say to the children "Oh daddy is crazy or daddy must be high".

 

If he has legal proof that he's obligated to receive visitation on certain days & at set times, yes... call the police to escort you there to get the kids if she is actively refusing visitation. And if that is needed to see the children, it will actually end up being legal proof that she's not following through with what the court has ordered her to do!

 

If you don't know what he has done you have no room to talk. I talk because I live thur it.

 

Again, I am referring to the show. You are bleeding the lines between whose situation you are referring to. Call me simple but you need to be more clear on that especially when I am not responding to you initially. Or are you posting under both "msgantt" & "princess5000"?

 

 Why she he have to bend over three or more times and get no results only to find himself in an early grave.

 

Because his children are worth it, lol. Again, if he has legal visitation, it costs nothing to call the police to have them enforce visitation.

 

 
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May 29, 2007, 11:33 am PDT

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Seems like you only want to blame them, the mother has a huge responsiblity to hold her feelings aside also so that there may see there father.  Same goes for the mother that you seem to think Lisa and Sean should do.. 

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I am not blaming nor excusing anyone of anything. I am simply referring to peoples' choices. Are we not responsible for our own choices in life, once we are aware?

 

If he wants it bad enough, he'll get uncomfartable & even messy to do it.

Yes, we do all make choices, wether we married, divorced, had children, become positive or negative role models for our children.  Yes, I believe Sean did get uncomfortable, but he cant make his ex wife stop being an abusive bully to him and his new family and most of all his children.  He still has bills to pay, a job to go to, and when someone on the other end is not being reasonable, than it does make things a little harder when you live 2000 miles away.  Still I read in your opinion that the father should give up everything and be uncomfortable because if he loved his children he would, but yet the bio mom can not answer the phone when he calls the kids, never allow them to call if the wife is at home, not allow her children to have a relationship with other siblings, to talk so horrible bad about there father and making them feel quilty for loving him or wanting to spend time with him, making him out to be the bad guy always, even if she is having issues,  she moved that far away, with no concern as how it would affect the children, she can call and leave nasty messages with the kids in the back ground hearing everything she is saying to there father and his new wife, wow seems like I took the wrong route with my ex husband, I quess I should call him repeatedly and accuse him of being an horrible father because sometimes he doesnt have any extra money to help me with our son, after his child support is paid,  or maybe I should call his new girlfriend and cuss her out and talk about there baby and say that is not my son's sister.  NO!  I choose to respect my ex and his new girlfriend and hope that are happy, and thank her for being good to my son.  My ex doesnt have a money tree either, he works and supports his son with court order child support and when he can give more he does, I cant ask for more, and when he cant see him because there are times in the real world where things come up or  you cant get out of work I just say ok when do you want to see him next. My son never hears a negative word come out of my mouth or my husbands mouth about his bio dad.

 
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May 29, 2007, 11:37 am PDT

GET A CLUE

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Then you know that an addict cannot rely on another person for happiness & their sobriety, that they must find it for them self within them self.
FIRST, ADDICTS DON'T GET SOBER.  SECOND, YOU MUST READING A TEXTBOOK.  ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AN ADDICT MUST DO TO GET CLEAN IS SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USING.  SO, YES, AN ADDICT DOES RELY ON OTHERS.
 

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May 29, 2007, 12:52 pm PDT

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Yes, we do all make choices, wether we married, divorced, had children, become positive or negative role models for our children. Yes, I believe Sean did get uncomfortable, but he cant make his ex wife stop being an abusive bully to him and his new family and most of all his children. He still has bills to pay, a job to go to, and when someone on the other end is not being reasonable, than it does make things a little harder when you live 2000 miles away. Still I read in your opinion that the father should give up everything and be uncomfortable because if he loved his children he would, but yet the bio mom can not answer the phone when he calls the kids, never allow them to call if the wife is at home, not allow her children to have a relationship with other siblings, to talk so horrible bad about there father and making them feel quilty for loving him or wanting to spend time with him, making him out to be the bad guy always, even if she is having issues, she moved that far away, with no concern as how it would affect the children, she can call and leave nasty messages with the kids in the back ground hearing everything she is saying to there father and his new wife, wow seems like I took the wrong route with my ex husband, I quess I should call him repeatedly and accuse him of being an horrible father because sometimes he doesnt have any extra money to help me with our son, after his child support is paid, or maybe I should call his new girlfriend and cuss her out and talk about there baby and say that is not my son's sister. NO! I choose to respect my ex and his new girlfriend and hope that are happy, and thank her for being good to my son. My ex doesnt have a money tree either, he works and supports his son with court order child support and when he can give more he does, I cant ask for more, and when he cant see him because there are times in the real world where things come up or you cant get out of work I just say ok when do you want to see him next. My son never hears a negative word come out of my mouth or my husbands mouth about his bio dad.

'He still has bills to pay, a job to go to, and when someone on the other end is not being reasonable, than it does make things a little harder when you live 2000 miles away.' 

 

Sure does. And?

 

Your corresponding with a woman who rode a Greyhound (like Dr. Phil mentioned) from Bryan Texas to Farmington New Mexico to facilitate visitation between my son & his bio-father, a path neither the guest or my son's bio-father has taken. I know of what I speak when I say one will find a way if they truly want to.

 

And BTW, most jobs allow for vacations. If he's employed by one that does not, he should find one that does. And if that seems too insurmountable, he can find a way to have the children retrieved for him or sent to him. Again, they're all excuses not reasons. Heck, I started flying alone at the age 8 years to visit my grandparents. It can be done!

 

'... but yet the bio mom can not answer the phone when he calls the kids, never allow them to call if the wife is at home, not allow her children to have a relationship with other siblings, to talk so horrible bad about there father and making them feel quilty for loving him or wanting to spend time with him, making him out to be the bad guy always, even if she is having issues,  she moved that far away, with no concern as how it would affect the children, she can call and leave nasty messages with the kids in the back ground hearing everything she is saying to there father and his new wife...'

 

Where did I say or imply that that behavior is okay? Because I think the father should work harder to see his children I must think the mother should then be allowed to do such things? That's really quite a leap & a very inappropriate one on your part. 

 

'wow seems like I took the wrong route with my ex husband, I quess I should call him repeatedly and accuse him of being an horrible father because sometimes he doesnt have any extra money to help me with our son, after his child support is paid,  or maybe I should call his new girlfriend and cuss her out and talk about there baby and say that is not my son's sister.  NO!  I choose to respect my ex and his new girlfriend and hope that are happy, and thank her for being good to my son.  My ex doesnt have a money tree either, he works and supports his son with court order child support and when he can give more he does, I cant ask for more, and when he cant see him because there are times in the real world where things come up or  you cant get out of work I just say ok when do you want to see him next. My son never hears a negative word come out of my mouth or my husbands mouth about his bio dad.'

 

Glad you have a good relationship with your ex & his spouse. I don't see what that has to do with my point that the father on the show should work harder to see his child. Excuses such as, and I am paraphrasing, ' I won't go there alone out of respect for my wife.' only proves his refusal to do all he can to see the child.

 

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May 29, 2007, 1:00 pm PDT

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FIRST, ADDICTS DON'T GET SOBER.  SECOND, YOU MUST READING A TEXTBOOK.  ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AN ADDICT MUST DO TO GET CLEAN IS SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USING.  SO, YES, AN ADDICT DOES RELY ON OTHERS.

Absolutely, an addict must rely on sober people for support. Relying on a people for support does not equal using other people as your reason to be or stay sober.

 

The sober people in your life are your support, not your reason. When they go, and people do, you are left with yourself... alone. And if they are your "reason", as I said originally, your "reason" for staying sober goes with them. Period.

 

Responsibility.

 

Everyone has to take it for their own actions, even addicts.

 

 

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May 29, 2007, 1:06 pm PDT

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FIRST, ADDICTS DON'T GET SOBER.  SECOND, YOU MUST READING A TEXTBOOK.  ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS AN ADDICT MUST DO TO GET CLEAN IS SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT USING.  SO, YES, AN ADDICT DOES RELY ON OTHERS.
Where did I say "addicts get sober"? I simply stated that an addict cannot rely on another person for happiness & their sobriety, that they must find it for them self within them self.
 
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May 29, 2007, 7:13 pm PDT

AGREE

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Correct me if I am wrong.........

 

if a marriage is 100% between two people, how can any one wreck it? Seems to me if there is a problem before someone from the outside gets involved, then it would be easy for others on the outside to cause further damage. To blame others for what you have neglected to correct with in your own marriage is just a poor excuse...........just my two cents.

I couldnt agree with you more!
 
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