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Created on : Friday, October 20, 2006, 01:52:56 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/26/06) Backstabbing takes many forms –- lying, spreading gossip and fueling nasty rumors. Dr. Phil’s guests say the ultimate betrayal didn’t come from a stranger, but from their own flesh and blood! Stacy accuses her younger sister, Christy, of being a traitor. She says Christy reported her and her husband to Child Protective Services for allegedly having child porn on the family computer! Christy sticks to her story, and vows to help put her sister and brother-in-law in jail. How far will she go? Stacy’s 16-year-old daughter claims her Aunt Christy is a liar, and says she’s ruining their family. Can these two sisters overcome the conflict between them, or is their relationship at the point of no return? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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December 6, 2007, 10:49 pm CST

esay conclusion , but is it the right one?

Quote From: korinsha

You know, just because someone's answers are "disturbingly true" doesn't mean they really ARE true, it just means the person being questioned believes what they are saying.  Maybe Christy was abused.  What's that got to do with anything other than offer a possible explanation for her crusade to destroy a family (there's a lot of jealousy and resentment there too)?

 

You can pick your jaw up.  Had you listened beyond that, and watched the show in it's entirety, and seen the previous show, it wasn't just a police investigation that exonerated these people, it was a multitude of many, repeated investigations by several different authorities and organizations and law enforcement.  Not to mention Christy's inability to accept the fact she even MIGHT POSSIBLY be wrong about ANYTHING.  You can't reason with someone who believes they are omnipotent! I believe Christy believes Christy, and that's about it.

 

 

Why do you not believe christy? i know it isnt easy but that dont mean she is lying. she has to stretch her style because this is hard to belive much less do anything about it if you do find it to be true. For anybody . Everybody has this fantasy that the truth comes out in these cases. so why push so hard? it is only that . A fantasy at best. Kids dont talk . The kid in Missouri didnt talk . these incesters are smarter than  pedofiles.and pedofiles kick ass in the justice world all the time. D.A.'s fear them like the plaugue.The police wont touch these cases EITHER. what do you want christy to do? I saw dishonest body language coming out of her sister more to be honest. And it has been such a long time ago I think I want to forget it but I know to well how this works i just cant resist. I read a quote here on this site that christies sister did say she found child porn on computer ( beechmomber guy or something like that is his user name). Christy was doing her best to convince. if you are not a part of incest  you are an enemy for just that alone. it is a cult gang like mentality and they know how to get rid of ya and make ya look bad before during and after.They really believe in what they believe and take care of that before anything else and are good at it. Period. I was in a family and never knew why I got the blame for everything. ( i was jesus ) no . i just wasnt good enough to do any family members . they couldnt break me down. I wont let you know why or how it didnt work out the way it should have but it is great today. Got one doing life.Another has died. Peoples ignorance makes me sick but that is o.k. because that is their problem.Incest puts people together in a unhealthy way.And peple like psychologists and psychiatrists think that is better than not getting along . Hell so does society. Getting along is so importan you cant look at the details that might  hurt that cause . Christy is just that. I cant say she is lying  i will say she is not getting along that well. the reason  nobody cares to consider much. society has priorities , Why is race such a big deal . Blackmail to get along. why else? black mail leads to owning people which leads to slavery  ( incest is slavery) They are all on the same side  it is a sick world  knock them dead christy. lncest is better than any other klan.and they have a good old boys network alive and well . How do you think they get away with it forever . it is a well established code of silence area and that is all there is too it.and dits rules are deeply engrained into society very well. (civil rights) stacy is running from the truth not christy I am afraid to say .That is how it looked to me.but what do I know? what am i for knocking the civil rights system? ask the system that says getting along is # 1 priority. incest works on the same BASIC rules. i know what what they will tell ya. you might be politically correct, but you wont be right. 

 
December 6, 2007, 11:20 pm CST

Forrest Gump had it right

Quote From: utwospy

Why do you not believe christy? i know it isnt easy but that dont mean she is lying. she has to stretch her style because this is hard to belive much less do anything about it if you do find it to be true. For anybody . Everybody has this fantasy that the truth comes out in these cases. so why push so hard? it is only that . A fantasy at best. Kids dont talk . The kid in Missouri didnt talk . these incesters are smarter than  pedofiles.and pedofiles kick ass in the justice world all the time. D.A.'s fear them like the plaugue.The police wont touch these cases EITHER. what do you want christy to do? I saw dishonest body language coming out of her sister more to be honest. And it has been such a long time ago I think I want to forget it but I know to well how this works i just cant resist. I read a quote here on this site that christies sister did say she found child porn on computer ( beechmomber guy or something like that is his user name). Christy was doing her best to convince. if you are not a part of incest  you are an enemy for just that alone. it is a cult gang like mentality and they know how to get rid of ya and make ya look bad before during and after.They really believe in what they believe and take care of that before anything else and are good at it. Period. I was in a family and never knew why I got the blame for everything. ( i was jesus ) no . i just wasnt good enough to do any family members . they couldnt break me down. I wont let you know why or how it didnt work out the way it should have but it is great today. Got one doing life.Another has died. Peoples ignorance makes me sick but that is o.k. because that is their problem.Incest puts people together in a unhealthy way.And peple like psychologists and psychiatrists think that is better than not getting along . Hell so does society. Getting along is so importan you cant look at the details that might  hurt that cause . Christy is just that. I cant say she is lying  i will say she is not getting along that well. the reason  nobody cares to consider much. society has priorities , Why is race such a big deal . Blackmail to get along. why else? black mail leads to owning people which leads to slavery  ( incest is slavery) They are all on the same side  it is a sick world  knock them dead christy. lncest is better than any other klan.and they have a good old boys network alive and well . How do you think they get away with it forever . it is a well established code of silence area and that is all there is too it.and dits rules are deeply engrained into society very well. (civil rights) stacy is running from the truth not christy I am afraid to say .That is how it looked to me.but what do I know? what am i for knocking the civil rights system? ask the system that says getting along is # 1 priority. incest works on the same BASIC rules. i know what what they will tell ya. you might be politically correct, but you wont be right. 

Just look at the 2 faces and think about who has something to hide and who is trying to dig. Not who is more social and who isnt. Or who is not minding their business and who isnt. These are irrelevant approaches because they alter your opinion.Nobody execpt those involved know for sure what happened, beacuse of  the a so  typical approach  police fear of incest cases, but we can look at their faces. christy looks like she wants justice, honest answers (and if it is incest it wont be easy if possible). not destruction as protrayed. In a system like that it explains why it is so easy for a molester to get away with it all the time . Afraid to judge .what a shame.Justice!!! sometimes you look aggrasive when that happens .Dont let that alone make up your mind.if you do you aint thinking on your own too much.that is not the way you want to look at it.keep the social stuff out of it or you are leaning towards incest. incest is on the side of being social so you will end being biased. it is a social act after all. iam not taking sides just sharing what i see in its bare essence. what I see without any biases. well i do have to admit I am a little biased on who i believe and i am sure it shows.
 
December 8, 2007, 1:34 am CST

very true but you got to be on the inside to know it

Quote From: sjupie

Yes, Christy made some mistakes like scaring her nieces. Yes, she probably bent the truth.  Yes, Dr. Phil found her very unpleasant. Wouldn't you be messed up if you grew up in such dysfunction and abuse? She tried to get her family help and was invalidated and mocked at every turn. To an abuse survivor, it's maddening.

 

Here's what I believe: Christy and her brother were indeed abused. Either Stacy was spared or she was abused and is in denial (many victims convince themselves that their childhoods were normal as a survival mechanism). If Stacy or her kids were abused, it is ABSOLUTELY possible that out of deeply ingrained shame they might stick to the same denial and fool the police and DHS. My sister and I were two such children. We really were like "the boy called it."  (My jaw dropped when Dr. Phil told Christy, "Well the police investigated it and they were exonerated, so it didn't happen."--I'm paraphrasing)  If I may borrow a Phil-ism, Dr. Phil, If you think a half-a**ed police investigation means parents are innocent, if you don't believe that this happens every day, then you need to go back to school. After my parents were finally caught, our injuries photographed and documented in the ER, we were placed back in the home that very night because there were no vacant foster homes. We had to get family counseling where my parents eventually admitted and apologized. Fifteen years later, my dad waves a letter of exoneration in our faces.

 

Where are the polygraph answers to THESE questions? Was Christy really horse whipped by her mom? Were she and her siblings abused and tortured while Stacy was spared? Also disappointing, Dr. Phil zoned in on the couple of times that Christy answered deceptively, but never addressed the DISTURBINGLY TRUE answers that she gave.

 

 

 

I have seen the minor  documentary done by Dr. Phil (or was it his wife) on how they are familiar with alchohol, and that is great they share their negative expieriences about it . Alchohol is a cover for many underlying issues people have,  but psychologists always want to fix things and incest is so bad you cant really do it, without alot of hard work and most dont want to invest themselves into  the amount of detail work it involves. Police and social workers are not any better. They are taught in (college) (been there, done that) (quit) school dont get too involved. limit yourself . Dont go past a certain point .etc It is only a job etc etc etc ....They are taught not how but what to think too much, and it is limited, not free. a trapped mind is a worthless one. Natzee like training and brainwashing. Or to not get emotionally involved (that part about emotion is true and a good idea). You can still do a good job with incest without having any of that play a part, but you got to care and have passion. The good  bad and ugly part of psychologists. Good advice to an extent (leave emotions out) because some are so loose and goofy themselves they end up molesting a victim too (that is their reason they use  for limiting themselves defense). I guess dr. phil picked up on it too. He doesnt look weak, or emotionally unstable, although he does use it alot for entertainment value. And I got the same idea (about treating christy wrong) that he acted  that way on that show too. He is a cop believer and social service believer (naive) . Did he have the N.O.W. on the other day? He is naive I  dont care how smart he thinks he is.He got alot to learn  on what and who he associates with. I have confidence he  will get there with time unless he is in it just in it for the money and etertainment.. Then maybe he wont have  any other  choice. He is still  accountable to Hollywood.

 

 I must agree you though . you cant do a thourough job if you dont get involved more than they ever do. Maybe they dont get paid enough, too many cases , maybe unions teach them to only go so far  or do so much  in their work ( kind of why schools are all going downhil tool) . Claim over worked  if they feel like it. .Dont know about all that but there has to be reasons they dont CARE. (for lack of a better term) Stacy mentioned the police like to be heroes and etc.( i saw that at columbine and platte canyon school shootings)(they didnt deserve it none the less) .  A child will never pat a cop on the back or get recognition for anything in cases like this.And he will catch more hell if he makes ONE mistake . Them molesters got political power but only show it IN directly. No hero here even if cops do it right. so why take a chance on an incest case if you got nothing to gain their egoes tell them. And it allgets sealed   (case opened closed or otherwise) for the saftey of the childs reputation. As if the 2 or 12 year old child at this point cares about his/her reputation.If it don't get fixed they grow up not caring about reputation then as well. They need help, not reputaion saviors.Government does it this way cause it only understands its own value system (reputation) ( they live and die by it)   Lie and more lies and more lies all the time is what incest  involves or starts out with if ever asked (investigated) about. It is the default stage. Takes work to get to the bottom of it. Honest and sincere  work.But with government agencies it is all p.r. and paper pushing and a child can read that  whether they know it, admit it, realize it, or more likewant to realize it or not.That  is why it was so easy to convince boys in Missouri that they were this mans slaves . One for years. This type (i dont care what they say or P.R. claim) of work is hard to find in police and social service field work. Too bad. Thanks for Dr. Phils effort but you are right when you say leave Christy alone . I would never get on his show either if I had this to explain . it doesnt fit into the politically correct, teach and tolerate baseless and undefined tolerance, dont make waves, lets all get along, we are all equal, please dont judge, social engineering environment, and I would be thrown to the wolves as well. Simply because he wants peace and with incest there is either lies and cover ups and or constant mistrust and or confusion that there never really is  any peace. Sounds like 15 years ago or whenever it was you related your expierience  was a better time for you.They believed and did something for you . Today with all those stupid rules( progress they call it)  they no longer can.hands jusyt tied to tight in all directions. bunch of bandd people. So much for liberalism.and democracy where a brainwashed majority can turn a wrong into a right with a simple flick of a pen (vote). Today they shove these cases under tables AT BEST. A 2 year old  child was killed over a  a month ago in Denver and social services knew she was raped had the evidence in the hospitol but waved it all off when mother didnt want to cooperate..(protecting an illegal citizen boyfrind of hers). Social services sucks today more than it did 15 years ago. A crime was commited  here and it never got prosecuted, or looked into beyond knocking on a mothers door (a participant to the crime)(an assesory) for this reason the mother didnt want to help indict the boyfeiend. I cant figure it out . (If i  rob walmart and my mom says leave him alone am I free?)  Other than we got the wrong people taking care (if one could call it that ) of these cases.Social services are  all stupid people  that get hired to act like they are and know something and are by default  better than you are because you are going to them for help and know you are depending on that .(Recipe for ego builder and or blackmail and they intertwine them both real good )  (socially engineered ego trippers). I dont know what it was like for you 15 years ago but today it is bad.I never am as surprised when i see a child go on a kiling spree. i dont understand why anybody else is. I guess they just dont understand how the system works for a child of  the sex industry. America loves sex. It is all about social enginnering.  whatis anybody gonna do?  Well the media will go to thailand and show how bad it is OVER there . That is what they will contribute.. sex is just another part of it . Some kids just dont handle it as well as others.Are all killers sexually abused? we will never know? they checked out with their victims.And if they didnt we wouldnt hear from them either way. I havent at least. And if they WERE abused do you think anybody cares after they kill 10 or 20 people ? No they are bad. No matter what . They committed an ANTI SOCIAL ACT. Not like incest, which is pro social. The real question is do we want to know or would we want to know why any killing happened ? and the answer is NO. ..P.R. wise, it is JUST easier to blame JUST the killer. Government always looks for the easy way out. They dont care who gets killed, why  or anything else just as long as THEIR  hands are clean and they come out ahead everything is allright.. Columbine? They came out ahead. Police always look for a motive and a beneficiary reason when they look into crimes. maybe the reason for columbine is right under / in front of  their nose.Oh well more on that another day.maybe dr.phil can do a show or would that just be TOO real and not entertaining (emotion) enough. or is he gonna say lets just ignore that ?????  like the cover up people want everybody to do.covering up dont work.Didnt we learn that with the germans in 1940's?The only way it will is to become like them. Boy I got to question who is the real criminals here. One of these days I might write about that.dr. phil hasnt opened up that subject yet and maybe wont. Cant run and hide from it forever.But they can BURY it. like a suicidal killer tends to do. I keep finding similarities. sometimes by mistake.  Police say it is taboo. They say it takes one to know one, to shut  us all up. They used same tactic in Germany.I say it dont take one to know one one.  Blackmail into cesorship?. They are worried about their reputations and only that.They hurt more than they help. They just GET IN THE WAY. I am concerned about children being abused and exposing the whys and dont care to leave anything/body/agency out. And what they might end up doing as grown ups  (or close to it) (those time bombs) if they dont get repressed P.T.S.D...feelings straightened out.   They dont have to care neither do I. but I can if I want. so I choose to do so. With a keyboard . Hope nobody gets hurt by that. But it possible that it can undoubtebly happen none the less. Incest they say is a childs problem if he cant handle it, just as much as it is his when he decides to kill in a school or mall. The easy answer. Blame it on the least amount of people. It is all about P.R. all over again They know how to do that right. Save trheir own --- and dont go beyond that.Or let anybody else do it. college education.  woopps maybe I went to far in this letter. I just look into everything. what can i say?. A little more next time. stay tuned.Waters are warm on dr phil message board . I like that. knock on wood.

 
December 8, 2007, 2:15 am CST

YUP

Quote From: kamilise

If Stacy's daughter was being abused, sexually or
physically, her demeanor and self-esteem would not have exuberated
such confidence and prompt responses.

 

    I totally disagree with this statement. I speak from personal experience when I say, children who come from abusive backgrounds react very differently from eachother, even within the same family. Some become very outgoing, some become very shy. You can not tell from a childs outside view what has or has not occured in their life. Many people who know me are utterly shocked when they find out what I went through in my childhood.

    The title backstabbing sisters does not really apply to this situation. It is not as if she slept with her sisters husband or anything like that. I believe Christy is concerned for the children over something Stacy herself brought to her sisters attention. I find it odd that the accused man was nowhere to be seen defending himself or taking a lie detecter test himself.

     I hope for those chilrdrens sake it isnt true, but yes I also know how easily it is covered up and how a mom can let herself believe it isnt true, as my mother did. I think to put everyones mind to rest the father should be given a lie detecter test. Although men who are truely that sick tend to not believe they are doing any harm at all.

      if questions like "Have you ever touched your children in an inappropriate way?" are asked, yes they will pass, cause they dont believe that it is inappropriate.

    

      Anyhow, I applaud Christy for standing up for the children. Honestly, if it is going on, someday when those children are ready to seeek help, they know they have one person who will listen.  If however it isnt going on, then I would apologize to the father. (But again, a man absent, not defending himself or volunteering to take a lie detecter himself to allay the fears, leaves me with concern for those children.)

Yes a mother  will be just as involved . she is thinking of her security an obviously never cared to check the guy out enough before she married a creep like that. guilty in Character flaws in the least.  My mother knew about my half brother and always denied knowing. she turned the whole family against me and still has even after he got convicted of raping a 13 year old girl. you are right. incest to these people is just never wrong. and the law dont know better is what they will say as well. he is guilty of nothing in her eyes and  only the accusers are. blame it on tolerance.it has gone TOOO far.Sometimes a mother just isnt needed in a family.No kidding.cant say that about this one but a lie detector you are right wont help even if the question IS asked the right way.If you can convice yourself of what is going to be asked your heart beat will stay ay same rate.practice it is all about practice. I dont care what allen Iverson says.

 
November 12, 2008, 7:57 pm CST

generational curse

Quote From: utwospy

Yes a mother  will be just as involved . she is thinking of her security an obviously never cared to check the guy out enough before she married a creep like that. guilty in Character flaws in the least.  My mother knew about my half brother and always denied knowing. she turned the whole family against me and still has even after he got convicted of raping a 13 year old girl. you are right. incest to these people is just never wrong. and the law dont know better is what they will say as well. he is guilty of nothing in her eyes and  only the accusers are. blame it on tolerance.it has gone TOOO far.Sometimes a mother just isnt needed in a family.No kidding.cant say that about this one but a lie detector you are right wont help even if the question IS asked the right way.If you can convice yourself of what is going to be asked your heart beat will stay ay same rate.practice it is all about practice. I dont care what allen Iverson says.

incest is a generational curse thing passed on from one generation to the next. The guilty party will COVER it all up and the one who opens her mouth will get shut up.Politically correct is nothing more tthan censorship. So strong police hand these cases over to social services (not that they are better equipped to do investigations) . but the hot potatoe need sto go somewhere.Chicken S--t cops like Meyers in Castle Rock CO.Everybody is afraid of the term incest EXCEPT  the victim. OPPS,,, and accusers.
 
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