Quote From: sjupieYes, Christy made some mistakes like scaring her nieces. Yes, she probably bent the truth. Yes, Dr. Phil found her very unpleasant. Wouldn't you be messed up if you grew up in such dysfunction and abuse? She tried to get her family help and was invalidated and mocked at every turn. To an abuse survivor, it's maddening.
Here's what I believe: Christy and her brother were indeed abused. Either Stacy was spared or she was abused and is in denial (many victims convince themselves that their childhoods were normal as a survival mechanism). If Stacy or her kids were abused, it is ABSOLUTELY possible that out of deeply ingrained shame they might stick to the same denial and fool the police and DHS. My sister and I were two such children. We really were like "the boy called it." (My jaw dropped when Dr. Phil told Christy, "Well the police investigated it and they were exonerated, so it didn't happen."--I'm paraphrasing) If I may borrow a Phil-ism, Dr. Phil, If you think a half-a**ed police investigation means parents are innocent, if you don't believe that this happens every day, then you need to go back to school. After my parents were finally caught, our injuries photographed and documented in the ER, we were placed back in the home that very night because there were no vacant foster homes. We had to get family counseling where my parents eventually admitted and apologized. Fifteen years later, my dad waves a letter of exoneration in our faces.
Where are the polygraph answers to THESE questions? Was Christy really horse whipped by her mom? Were she and her siblings abused and tortured while Stacy was spared? Also disappointing, Dr. Phil zoned in on the couple of times that Christy answered deceptively, but never addressed the DISTURBINGLY TRUE answers that she gave.
I have seen the minor documentary done by Dr. Phil (or was it his wife) on how they are familiar with alchohol, and that is great they share their negative expieriences about it . Alchohol is a cover for many underlying issues people have, but psychologists always want to fix things and incest is so bad you cant really do it, without alot of hard work and most dont want to invest themselves into the amount of detail work it involves. Police and social workers are not any better. They are taught in (college) (been there, done that) (quit) school dont get too involved. limit yourself . Dont go past a certain point .etc It is only a job etc etc etc ....They are taught not how but what to think too much, and it is limited, not free. a trapped mind is a worthless one. Natzee like training and brainwashing. Or to not get emotionally involved (that part about emotion is true and a good idea). You can still do a good job with incest without having any of that play a part, but you got to care and have passion. The good bad and ugly part of psychologists. Good advice to an extent (leave emotions out) because some are so loose and goofy themselves they end up molesting a victim too (that is their reason they use for limiting themselves defense). I guess dr. phil picked up on it too. He doesnt look weak, or emotionally unstable, although he does use it alot for entertainment value. And I got the same idea (about treating christy wrong) that he acted that way on that show too. He is a cop believer and social service believer (naive) . Did he have the N.O.W. on the other day? He is naive I dont care how smart he thinks he is.He got alot to learn on what and who he associates with. I have confidence he will get there with time unless he is in it just in it for the money and etertainment.. Then maybe he wont have any other choice. He is still accountable to Hollywood.
I must agree you though . you cant do a thourough job if you dont get involved more than they ever do. Maybe they dont get paid enough, too many cases , maybe unions teach them to only go so far or do so much in their work ( kind of why schools are all going downhil tool) . Claim over worked if they feel like it. .Dont know about all that but there has to be reasons they dont CARE. (for lack of a better term) Stacy mentioned the police like to be heroes and etc.( i saw that at columbine and platte canyon school shootings)(they didnt deserve it none the less) . A child will never pat a cop on the back or get recognition for anything in cases like this.And he will catch more hell if he makes ONE mistake . Them molesters got political power but only show it IN directly. No hero here even if cops do it right. so why take a chance on an incest case if you got nothing to gain their egoes tell them. And it allgets sealed (case opened closed or otherwise) for the saftey of the childs reputation. As if the 2 or 12 year old child at this point cares about his/her reputation.If it don't get fixed they grow up not caring about reputation then as well. They need help, not reputaion saviors.Government does it this way cause it only understands its own value system (reputation) ( they live and die by it) Lie and more lies and more lies all the time is what incest involves or starts out with if ever asked (investigated) about. It is the default stage. Takes work to get to the bottom of it. Honest and sincere work.But with government agencies it is all p.r. and paper pushing and a child can read that whether they know it, admit it, realize it, or more likewant to realize it or not.That is why it was so easy to convince boys in Missouri that they were this mans slaves . One for years. This type (i dont care what they say or P.R. claim) of work is hard to find in police and social service field work. Too bad. Thanks for Dr. Phils effort but you are right when you say leave Christy alone . I would never get on his show either if I had this to explain . it doesnt fit into the politically correct, teach and tolerate baseless and undefined tolerance, dont make waves, lets all get along, we are all equal, please dont judge, social engineering environment, and I would be thrown to the wolves as well. Simply because he wants peace and with incest there is either lies and cover ups and or constant mistrust and or confusion that there never really is any peace. Sounds like 15 years ago or whenever it was you related your expierience was a better time for you.They believed and did something for you . Today with all those stupid rules( progress they call it) they no longer can.hands jusyt tied to tight in all directions. bunch of bandd people. So much for liberalism.and democracy where a brainwashed majority can turn a wrong into a right with a simple flick of a pen (vote). Today they shove these cases under tables AT BEST. A 2 year old child was killed over a a month ago in Denver and social services knew she was raped had the evidence in the hospitol but waved it all off when mother didnt want to cooperate..(protecting an illegal citizen boyfrind of hers). Social services sucks today more than it did 15 years ago. A crime was commited here and it never got prosecuted, or looked into beyond knocking on a mothers door (a participant to the crime)(an assesory) for this reason the mother didnt want to help indict the boyfeiend. I cant figure it out . (If i rob walmart and my mom says leave him alone am I free?) Other than we got the wrong people taking care (if one could call it that ) of these cases.Social services are all stupid people that get hired to act like they are and know something and are by default better than you are because you are going to them for help and know you are depending on that .(Recipe for ego builder and or blackmail and they intertwine them both real good ) (socially engineered ego trippers). I dont know what it was like for you 15 years ago but today it is bad.I never am as surprised when i see a child go on a kiling spree. i dont understand why anybody else is. I guess they just dont understand how the system works for a child of the sex industry. America loves sex. It is all about social enginnering. whatis anybody gonna do? Well the media will go to thailand and show how bad it is OVER there . That is what they will contribute.. sex is just another part of it . Some kids just dont handle it as well as others.Are all killers sexually abused? we will never know? they checked out with their victims.And if they didnt we wouldnt hear from them either way. I havent at least. And if they WERE abused do you think anybody cares after they kill 10 or 20 people ? No they are bad. No matter what . They committed an ANTI SOCIAL ACT. Not like incest, which is pro social. The real question is do we want to know or would we want to know why any killing happened ? and the answer is NO. ..P.R. wise, it is JUST easier to blame JUST the killer. Government always looks for the easy way out. They dont care who gets killed, why or anything else just as long as THEIR hands are clean and they come out ahead everything is allright.. Columbine? They came out ahead. Police always look for a motive and a beneficiary reason when they look into crimes. maybe the reason for columbine is right under / in front of their nose.Oh well more on that another day.maybe dr.phil can do a show or would that just be TOO real and not entertaining (emotion) enough. or is he gonna say lets just ignore that ????? like the cover up people want everybody to do.covering up dont work.Didnt we learn that with the germans in 1940's?The only way it will is to become like them. Boy I got to question who is the real criminals here. One of these days I might write about that.dr. phil hasnt opened up that subject yet and maybe wont. Cant run and hide from it forever.But they can BURY it. like a suicidal killer tends to do. I keep finding similarities. sometimes by mistake. Police say it is taboo. They say it takes one to know one, to shut us all up. They used same tactic in Germany.I say it dont take one to know one one. Blackmail into cesorship?. They are worried about their reputations and only that.They hurt more than they help. They just GET IN THE WAY. I am concerned about children being abused and exposing the whys and dont care to leave anything/body/agency out. And what they might end up doing as grown ups (or close to it) (those time bombs) if they dont get repressed P.T.S.D...feelings straightened out. They dont have to care neither do I. but I can if I want. so I choose to do so. With a keyboard . Hope nobody gets hurt by that. But it possible that it can undoubtebly happen none the less. Incest they say is a childs problem if he cant handle it, just as much as it is his when he decides to kill in a school or mall. The easy answer. Blame it on the least amount of people. It is all about P.R. all over again They know how to do that right. Save trheir own --- and dont go beyond that.Or let anybody else do it. college education. woopps maybe I went to far in this letter. I just look into everything. what can i say?. A little more next time. stay tuned.Waters are warm on dr phil message board . I like that. knock on wood.