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(Original Air Date: 10/26/06) Backstabbing takes many forms –- lying, spreading gossip and fueling nasty rumors. Dr. Phil’s guests say the ultimate betrayal didn’t come from a stranger, but from their own flesh and blood! Stacy accuses her younger sister, Christy, of being a traitor. She says Christy reported her and her husband to Child Protective Services for allegedly having child porn on the family computer! Christy sticks to her story, and vows to help put her sister and brother-in-law in jail. How far will she go? Stacy’s 16-year-old daughter claims her Aunt Christy is a liar, and says she’s ruining their family. Can these two sisters overcome the conflict between them, or is their relationship at the point of no return? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 26, 2006, 1:13 pm PDT

Yes, I think it could be "regular" porn

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I do agree that does happen.  However, what she saw made her leave her husband for 6 weeks.  I doubt this could be regular mainstream porn!!!

I don't think there is "mainstream" porn. It's all wretched. Many years ago, I had a friend who absolutely was going to leave her husband if he didn't stop looking at "mainsteam" porn. And you have to remember that Stacy was egged on by her sister probably to leave her husband. Stacy probably thought at first that Christy was being "supportive." Stacy wanted her husband to stop looking at porn, so she left him. Why is that so hard to believe? Porn is rampant--even men who call themselves Christians fall victim to it. For an example, I refer you to Clay Crosse, a Christian singer/radio host (now) who also wrote a book about his recovery from his ADDICTION to porn. It's an ADDICTION! He & his wife live in Memphis, and last I heard they had a radio show together. I've met him; I've heard his testimony about what happened & how he got off-track. Yes, child porn is awful, but you do realize that men look at "teen porn" online---how do we know those girls are all 18? We don't. So the line is much thinner than some people realize. It's all trash--complete & awful rubbish! Not fit for anyone to look at! There are MANY more men looking at porn in secret than is well-known, I have no doubt. Porn also ruined my childhood best friend's marriage. Her husband spent way too much money on it...& eventually left her because he lost himself in it, even though she begged him to go to counseling--they had 2 young sons. So sad. He went WAY over the edge.

 

There is no such thing as "mainstream" porn. It's all SICK.

 

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October 26, 2006, 1:15 pm PDT

they ran out of air time before we could see the results

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i didnt get to see the lie detector test....who was telling the truth and who was lying?.....  i believe the sister who was accused of all of the crap but i wonder why she didnt volunteer to take the lie detector test......where was all of the so called proof they both kept referring to?........where were the other children who were besing abused?....lots of unanswered questions.....
 
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October 26, 2006, 1:17 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

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If my reputation and good name was being slandered as Stacey's husband was, I would have most definitely been on that stage defending it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where's the good husband and father?

Stacey's daughter, in my opinion, had fear and shame in her eyes!!!!! She knew she was not being truthful and I could hear in her voice that wanted so bad to scream out the truth that her Aunt  was not lying about her parents!!!!!!!
 
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October 26, 2006, 1:18 pm PDT

Children don't tell

Here's the thing.  Typically children won't tell if they are abused.  Abuse victims don't find the where with all to talk about the abuse for a myriad of reasons until they feel safe...usually when they are out of the abusive environment which translates to adulthood.  With this in mind, the daughter may have told the aunt stories requiring action and may recant now.  Additionally, the older sister may very well have not been abused or may have experienced the same situations very differently than her brother and sister.  So, it's likely they are all telling their truths.  It's also typical for the talker(s) to be accused of creating drama or to be looking for attention.  That doesn't mean there was no abuse. 

 

I'm a survivor of abuse (a physically, verbally and sexually abusive environment) and have 4 siblings.  Each of us dealt very differently at the time and continue to.  One of my most interesting learning experiences in the past several years is that each person can experience and remember the same situations very differently....internalize different perceptions/side of the same experience.  In my opinion, two other key things are important....it's important for people to understand that typically children don't tell and, if children do tell, they are usually not lying and must be believed.  To not be believed only halts the healing process and subsequently extends the abuse. 

 

It's good to have these shows and to have the conversations....but I feel as though you are missing some key components in the message, Dr. Phil. 

 
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October 26, 2006, 1:22 pm PDT

oh my god we have differnt levels of porn as well

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I don't think there is "mainstream" porn. It's all wretched. Many years ago, I had a friend who absolutely was going to leave her husband if he didn't stop looking at "mainsteam" porn. And you have to remember that Stacy was egged on by her sister probably to leave her husband. Stacy probably thought at first that Christy was being "supportive." Stacy wanted her husband to stop looking at porn, so she left him. Why is that so hard to believe? Porn is rampant--even men who call themselves Christians fall victim to it. For an example, I refer you to Clay Crosse, a Christian singer/radio host (now) who also wrote a book about his recovery from his ADDICTION to porn. It's an ADDICTION! He & his wife live in Memphis, and last I heard they had a radio show together. I've met him; I've heard his testimony about what happened & how he got off-track. Yes, child porn is awful, but you do realize that men look at "teen porn" online---how do we know those girls are all 18? We don't. So the line is much thinner than some people realize. It's all trash--complete & awful rubbish! Not fit for anyone to look at! There are MANY more men looking at porn in secret than is well-known, I have no doubt. Porn also ruined my childhood best friend's marriage. Her husband spent way too much money on it...& eventually left her because he lost himself in it, even though she begged him to go to counseling--they had 2 young sons. So sad. He went WAY over the edge.

 

There is no such thing as "mainstream" porn. It's all SICK.

 

Joy

my god wake up america stop it all please donot try to label filth all that dose is create a loop hole in a law. demand it to all stop. your children are worth the effort to me are they to you?
 

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October 26, 2006, 1:29 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

You know, I have a step-sister that was sexually abused, by two different people, as a child and her mother completely denies it! Her mother tells her she's making it up and it never happened! So when my step-sister, now 24 years old (this happened when she was 8 and again when she was 13) came out and told the rest of the family, her aunt said she was abused by one of the same men ( my step-sister's grandpa) and the mother said she was lying just to make my step-sister fell better!! So I absolutely think this woman could be in denial about the abuse that happened when her sister was little, and the abuse that could be happening with her own children! It's such a horrible unimaginable act that you don't want to accept that it may be going on! I know if anything like that ever happened in my family I wouldn't want to believe it, but I sure as hell wouldn't keep my family in the situation that could be putting them in danger! And a lot of times the children will lie to protect their parents! I've done it! My father let me drive his car and I wrecked it, and to this day even though my parents are divorced, my mother still has no idea! We told her he was driving! A child doesn't want to get their parents in trouble, just like a wife doesn't want to admit their husband is abusing their kids!
 
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October 26, 2006, 1:29 pm PDT

I totally agree

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Here's the thing.  Typically children won't tell if they are abused.  Abuse victims don't find the where with all to talk about the abuse for a myriad of reasons until they feel safe...usually when they are out of the abusive environment which translates to adulthood.  With this in mind, the daughter may have told the aunt stories requiring action and may recant now.  Additionally, the older sister may very well have not been abused or may have experienced the same situations very differently than her brother and sister.  So, it's likely they are all telling their truths.  It's also typical for the talker(s) to be accused of creating drama or to be looking for attention.  That doesn't mean there was no abuse. 

 

I'm a survivor of abuse (a physically, verbally and sexually abusive environment) and have 4 siblings.  Each of us dealt very differently at the time and continue to.  One of my most interesting learning experiences in the past several years is that each person can experience and remember the same situations very differently....internalize different perceptions/side of the same experience.  In my opinion, two other key things are important....it's important for people to understand that typically children don't tell and, if children do tell, they are usually not lying and must be believed.  To not be believed only halts the healing process and subsequently extends the abuse. 

 

It's good to have these shows and to have the conversations....but I feel as though you are missing some key components in the message, Dr. Phil. 

I'm the brother and I totally agree.  Christy and I are very close, and we did not discuss our violent childhood until we realized that the abuse had continued in Stacy's family.  It has been a very difficult year for us.
 
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October 26, 2006, 1:31 pm PDT

Exactly!

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I hope Dr. Phil does his own investigation, because I feel Christy is telling the truth.  Why didn't the accused come on the show?  Perhaps he is not abusing his own children and maybe he hasn't abuse children to date but visiting child porn sites is beyonf wrong!!!!  And who leaves there husband for viewing regular porn-WAKE UP!!!!!!! She saw something that immediately made her pack up and leave.  Dr. Phil you are smarter than this..
These points should be brought OUT!
 

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October 26, 2006, 1:33 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

Quote From: lifeisgoodnow

Here's the thing.  Typically children won't tell if they are abused.  Abuse victims don't find the where with all to talk about the abuse for a myriad of reasons until they feel safe...usually when they are out of the abusive environment which translates to adulthood.  With this in mind, the daughter may have told the aunt stories requiring action and may recant now.  Additionally, the older sister may very well have not been abused or may have experienced the same situations very differently than her brother and sister.  So, it's likely they are all telling their truths.  It's also typical for the talker(s) to be accused of creating drama or to be looking for attention.  That doesn't mean there was no abuse. 

 

I'm a survivor of abuse (a physically, verbally and sexually abusive environment) and have 4 siblings.  Each of us dealt very differently at the time and continue to.  One of my most interesting learning experiences in the past several years is that each person can experience and remember the same situations very differently....internalize different perceptions/side of the same experience.  In my opinion, two other key things are important....it's important for people to understand that typically children don't tell and, if children do tell, they are usually not lying and must be believed.  To not be believed only halts the healing process and subsequently extends the abuse. 

 

It's good to have these shows and to have the conversations....but I feel as though you are missing some key components in the message, Dr. Phil. 

Exactly! And not only the fact that the sister may not have been abused like the brother and sister, but the mother sure as hell isn't going to admit it!!! It's ridiculous to think people could just ignore these kind of accusation and keep kids in a potentially dangerous environment! Especially the mother!!! She must love kids, she has 9 of them, or was it his sick idea to have children to use for his own amusement!
 

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October 26, 2006, 1:35 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

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Stacey's daughter, in my opinion, had fear and shame in her eyes!!!!! She knew she was not being truthful and I could hear in her voice that wanted so bad to scream out the truth that her Aunt  was not lying about her parents!!!!!!!
wow, I think you need glasses.
 
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