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Topic : 06/07 Backstabbing Sisters

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(Original Air Date: 10/26/06) Backstabbing takes many forms –- lying, spreading gossip and fueling nasty rumors. Dr. Phil’s guests say the ultimate betrayal didn’t come from a stranger, but from their own flesh and blood! Stacy accuses her younger sister, Christy, of being a traitor. She says Christy reported her and her husband to Child Protective Services for allegedly having child porn on the family computer! Christy sticks to her story, and vows to help put her sister and brother-in-law in jail. How far will she go? Stacy’s 16-year-old daughter claims her Aunt Christy is a liar, and says she’s ruining their family. Can these two sisters overcome the conflict between them, or is their relationship at the point of no return? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 26, 2006, 2:29 pm PDT

things do slip through the cracks

There has been more than one incidence in the state ofOklahoma where children have died due to horrible abuse & the family &abuse have been investigated thoroughly & the child ends up dead because no one stood up for the truth & even the authorities did not take action & so a beautiful young girl/baby is dead. I don't know why this happens, but it does happen; so don't ever rule it out because the reports don't say any thing but "RULED OUT!"

I will tell you this & Dr. Phil should know as a counsellor tha  tchildren will not turn in or betray their parents in the issues of abuse.  I also grew up in a very small town & my dad was an alcoholic & physically, emotionally, verbally abused my mother, me & my sister.  We never reported this abuse due to the fear that we would be killed by our father.  Fear causes many lies in abusive families & I'm surprised that this issue was not discussed on this show. 

Where was the father of this traumatized family - was he not willing to take a stand for himself or his family - I think the man  is very guilty & that is why he never showed his face in all this. The mother of the abusive situation now has to fin for herself in a small town that probably knows the truth for sure.  I will try to see how the lie detector tests go & if you know how to read body langauge the sister that is alleged to let her family be abused by the man/father - didn't set/look to well when challenged to take a lie detector test. 

My prayer is that even though this issue has been shown as a public spectacle, that nothing horrendous comes out of it like it sometimes does - that even though the truth was "trying" to be told -the evi manifested & lives were taken & scarred for life because no one would believe the truth - that is what deception is after all. 

I do not watch this program, but happen to be home on a vacation day & found that when people try to expose the truth -that there will always be opposition.  Ninety-nine percent of the people will not expose abuse or tell the truth about abuse in their lives, especially if they are still together as a family.  AND...I know that Dr.Phil knows this as a counsellor.
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:31 pm PDT

I totally agree...sounds like a lot of denial here.

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Here's the thing.  Typically children won't tell if they are abused.  Abuse victims don't find the where with all to talk about the abuse for a myriad of reasons until they feel safe...usually when they are out of the abusive environment which translates to adulthood.  With this in mind, the daughter may have told the aunt stories requiring action and may recant now.  Additionally, the older sister may very well have not been abused or may have experienced the same situations very differently than her brother and sister.  So, it's likely they are all telling their truths.  It's also typical for the talker(s) to be accused of creating drama or to be looking for attention.  That doesn't mean there was no abuse. 

 

I'm a survivor of abuse (a physically, verbally and sexually abusive environment) and have 4 siblings.  Each of us dealt very differently at the time and continue to.  One of my most interesting learning experiences in the past several years is that each person can experience and remember the same situations very differently....internalize different perceptions/side of the same experience.  In my opinion, two other key things are important....it's important for people to understand that typically children don't tell and, if children do tell, they are usually not lying and must be believed.  To not be believed only halts the healing process and subsequently extends the abuse. 

 

It's good to have these shows and to have the conversations....but I feel as though you are missing some key components in the message, Dr. Phil. 

I was immediately suspicious when Christy and her brother both said there were abused.  For two children in a family to say they were, I have to believe they were.   I also agree that children don't tell on parents, they go into denial.  It's too difficult to face.  If nothing else, if porn was found, what did the husband do to change?  I volunteer for an organization that fights against child pornography and sexual abuse and if this husband did not "do something" to make changes in his behavior, I seriously doubt it has changed.  Some might say I'm prudish but I wouldn't want to be married to a man who views porn, and I'd be very concerned if he were the father to my children.

 

Regarding the comment about why the Stacey would have 9 children if she didn't love them, I don't believe she doesn't love her children.  If she was abused as a child (and if her siblings were you can almost bet she was but is in denial) it's a known statistic that she would marry an abuser.  Battered women usually come from battered homes, children of alcoholics usually marry an alcoholic...unless they get into therapy or take some steps to deal with those childhood issues to break the pattern...issues dealing with this are on Oprah all the time.

 

We can only hope that the truth does come out definitively somehow so, if the accusations are true, people get the help they need.

 
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October 26, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

The test

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WOW, Christy craves and lies for attention and sad to say that this time she got national coverage!!  I do somewhat question the thinking of the show putting this on a segment.  There are serious mental issues going on and maybe the lie detector tests should have been done prior to the taping of the show. 

 

It saddens me to see this people having to defend themselves yet again and now on national TV against charges that have been unproven.  I was always told .... "you can't prove a negative". 

 

Enough said....... I don't want to give Christy anymore air time but would like to repeat the idea that a lie detector test should have been done priot to taping!!!

 The lie detector test wont work with Christy,  because I think she believes what she is saying. I think she has mental issues she needs to work through.
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:33 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

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These organizations are made up of everyday average people just like you and I.  They make mistakes everyday.  Remember what happened to that poor little child a few years ago in Florida?  Social services lost track of her, and then she was found dead.  Watch the news!

Sure everyone makes mistakes, but questioning 7 children? You just cant make a mistake that huge!

 
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October 26, 2006, 2:35 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

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     My oh my. Does this mean that cps isn't doing their job as well as Cristie would like them to? Same thing for the DA? Should we be calling Christie instead when we need Child Protective Services? Should we be calling Christie when we need the DA? Should we call Cristie when we need the Police?
     Where does she get off thinking that she is above these three civil services?
Children slip through the cracks every single day.  These case workers are so overloaded they just can't handle the number of cases they have.  It's very unfortunate.  And do we really think that if this guy was watching porn he was going to leave it around in his house after he found out his sister-in-law was concerned!
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:37 pm PDT

you know i must agree with you here

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These organizations are made up of everyday average people just like you and I.  They make mistakes everyday.  Remember what happened to that poor little child a few years ago in Florida?  Social services lost track of her, and then she was found dead.  Watch the news!
the courts fail our children every day thats a proven fact. and this day and time every body would rather just sit on there asses and draw a pay check with out having to go out and work for there money. but we do have a few good people in dfacs here in ga they will do a bit of a better job on follow up visits just to be sure they wont let no one know when there coming they just show up and see whatever they can see. they get relly good results this way.
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:40 pm PDT

GET REAL

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Sure everyone makes mistakes, but questioning 7 children? You just cant make a mistake that huge!

Are you actually implying that ONE person Can't  control a whole group of people, ESPECIALLY YOUNG CHILDREN?  You need to get with the program.
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:44 pm PDT

I have to say..

 We have all called our sisters upset! To have it turned around and used  like this is insane. She found porn. She didn't see her husband preforming any acts on their children.  If Christy took  the lie detector she would pass it (She believes it). 
 
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October 26, 2006, 2:44 pm PDT

Do you watch Oprah or Dr. Phil?

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Sure everyone makes mistakes, but questioning 7 children? You just cant make a mistake that huge!

Most of your logic is contrary to ALL the expert opinions that I've heard over the years on Dr. Phil and Oprah.  Where do you get your information on children reporting child abuse in their own home?

Jeff

 
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October 26, 2006, 2:45 pm PDT

Did we see same show?

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but the oldsr sister did admit to calling her for support,and she did admit to sacking the children up and leaving for 6 weeks.and christys brother has posted that they were abused as children. to what degerr isnt my business but as a person that has suffered abuse as a child and knowing what she knows now and the computer was said to have over 20,000 kiddie porn pic stored in it by christys husband.and i know the pics dont prove abuse was present but it looks like me christy was only folling her heart here.as i said in a earler post christy would make a damn good leader to rid this world of porn and abuse to children as a result of porn .shes just going about it in the wrong direction,weather it happend or not it is happining to a child some where in this country as we speak here on dr phil dot com. and we all need to try to find a way to put a stop to it. it dosent matter if this story isnt true, it is very trie to soo many children now.

Remember the show?  The computer in question was in Christie and her computer savy husbands hands for several months before being turned over.  And... there was a major news story on someone purchasing a computer at a major outlet and found porn on it once they set it up at home.  The DA and other law enforcement people questioned the chain of evidence!!!  IT WAS NOT FOUND that Stacey's husband put them there. 

 

Christie is not a leader I would want!  Making accusations and demanding that the findings prove you right is not a leader, it is a dictator.  This was investigated and she won't accept the findings.  I feel sorry for all family members involved.  But I would hate to think someone like Christie could decide what is right or wrong in any given household based on her own thinking.

 

IF she was abused she would be better served at this point to seek counseling to deal with the issues that still follow her in her daily life.  As to her being there for her sister during the seperation...... In any family things are said during these martial frays that are exagerated and should be taken as that.  Stacey was hurt and vunerable and looked to Christie for support.  NOT to have her life destroyed.

 

Child abuse is a very serious issue and should not be taken lightly and I don't.  But I do question Christies motives in going on this show.  She is still demanding to be RIGHT!! 

 
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