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Topic : 06/07 Backstabbing Sisters

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(Original Air Date: 10/26/06) Backstabbing takes many forms –- lying, spreading gossip and fueling nasty rumors. Dr. Phil’s guests say the ultimate betrayal didn’t come from a stranger, but from their own flesh and blood! Stacy accuses her younger sister, Christy, of being a traitor. She says Christy reported her and her husband to Child Protective Services for allegedly having child porn on the family computer! Christy sticks to her story, and vows to help put her sister and brother-in-law in jail. How far will she go? Stacy’s 16-year-old daughter claims her Aunt Christy is a liar, and says she’s ruining their family. Can these two sisters overcome the conflict between them, or is their relationship at the point of no return? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 26, 2006, 7:46 pm PDT

Investigations can be wrong

At 16 I went and gave a detailed account of my father's sexual abuse against me.  They investigated by going to the house, asking if it was true and then leaving when it was denied.  That was it.  My own testimony was truthful and broke my heart to make.  It was the most difficult day of my life as I recounted the details.  I'm 38 now and have little faith in the system.

To the sister who is so determined to destroy these people....I think you are screwing this up pretty badly.  No one believes this because of your ruthlessness.  The opportunities to actually help these children are being lost because you are acting so mental.  Take a step back, take a deep breathe, spend a few months working out your issues and then regroup to put a plan in place that will help everyone here.  You aren't helping this at all by acting so outragiously. 

 

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October 26, 2006, 7:49 pm PDT

I SURE DIDN't!!!

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I love to follow your quotes!!! You go girl!!

And also......... did you see see sweet concerned auntie Christy look at her distraught niece in the front row with love, concern, affection and regret for what she was putting her through?

I didn't - hope someone did

No, you didn't see it cause it wasn't there.

This is all about being right for Christy ... not about the truth.


 

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October 26, 2006, 7:51 pm PDT

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I work with witness testimony all the time.  There are ways you can tell when people are not being honest.  Stacy and her daughter come off basically truthful.  Christy comes off like a woman who is not 100% tracking with reality, and who is so obsessed with her agenda that she does not care who she's hurting.

 

Stacy's story is consistent.  She says she was upset when she found the porn.  Later in the episode, she made clear again that if her husband was hung up on porn, that would be a huge problem for her.  Consistent.  Her daughter, who is a well-spoken young woman, and whose only emotional moments were when she spoke of the pain her AUNT was causing her family, supports Stacy's story.  Again, consistent.  The police report and CPS reports also verify that investigation by PROFESSIONALS yielded nothing to substantiate Christy's claims.  Consistent.  Stacy's demeanor, although she is clearly upset with her sister for deliberately and systematically destroying her family's reputation and hurting her children, is clear and calm and focused.  Consistent.  In fact, her emotions seemed to be focused almost entirely on the pain this was causing her children.  If she was covering up her husband's abuse of the children, that would be inconsistent, because she would not care about their pain - she'd be all about defending her own image and her husband's goodness.   Consistent.

 

Christy's story is, conversely, very INconsistent.  She claims to have emails proving all the things she alleges.  Well, she knew her sister had paperwork from CPS and the cops, so why didn't she BRING whatever evidence she had?  Inconsistent.  She claims to be all about protecting the children, yet when told that she was hurting the kids, she didn't even blink.  If she cared for the children, she would be reassuring them that everything would be all right, that they would be safe, and that their parents would be getting help.  Instead, she admits that she emailed the kids with comments about how their parents would be going to prison.   Inconsistent.   Her vicious threats against the police department and the DA and even the DA's children reveal a person who is out of control, instead of calmly citing all the evidence to support her assertions, she wrote a lengthy diatribe full of threats and demands, trying to manipulate them into doing her will.  INCONSISTENT.  What her behavior her IS consistent with is Stacy's story.  When Christy thought she could control her sister and get her to do things her way, everything was fine, but as soon as Stacy backed off and refused to go along, Christy went out of her way to destroy her, just as Christy threatened to destroy the police and the DA.  Finally, Christy's demeanor was anything but consistent with a concerned relative who is confident of her assertions.  She was wildly emotional, constantly interrupting, and not listening or caring what anyone else had to say.  She showed absolutely no concern about the pain that her neice or sister spoke of feeling. So much for being all about protecting her family.

 

As for the porn on the computer, as others have pointed out, sometimes these creepy sites just plant junk on your computer when you click the wrong link. Also, if the computer was not brand new, it could have come from a previous owner.  If it was repaired in the shop, could be an employee used the computer to visit porn sites while "testing" it.  Or could even be that an employee at the manufacturer abused the machine in that way.  That's assuming there was actually kiddie porn on the computer at all. 

 

As for whether this woman was abused as she claimed, I don't know.  I do know that horsewhipping story seems a little off.  If she meant that her mother used a riding crop on her, that would be possible.  But riding crops are built to make noise, not cut flesh.  Basically, these are switches tipped with a flat, folded piece of leather that pops when it strikes something.  It might sting like a fly swatter, but it would take some real effort to break skin with it.  If she means that the mom used either a BULL whip (Indiana Jones) or BUGGY whip, these would not be effective in a closed and confined area like a bathroom.  The fact that other siblings apparently support her story may give her some credibility.  Certainly they wouldn't back her unless there was SOMETHING wrong between them and their parents.  But the fact that they hope to sell a book sort of makes one wonder how much of this is embroidered. 

 

For those who asked about the polygraph test, it didn't happen today.  Both women said they were willing.  Dr. Phil said he would take them up on that, but he clearly didn't mean that they were going right offstage to have the test done.  It probably hadn't even been set up yet.  He said the two women would have their polygraph tests, and he would report the results at some future time.  I'd be curious about the results, but I'd almost be willing to bet money that Christy will later refuse to take the test. 

 

Meanwhile, the children in this family are being abused by the rumor-mongering.  They have probably lost friends and been humiliated at school. They probably can't invite friends over to their home anymore, and they probably have some friends who can't invite them over either.   Their mom's ability to make money to support the family is being compromised, and their "dear, caring" aunt doesn't even blink when she hears what they're facing.  Obviously, she's not acting out of concern for these kids. 

 

I hope this woman gets some help.  I hope Stacy and her family can start over and be OK.  In a small town, these kinds of rumors can sometimes take a life of their own, and never go away.  They might need to move.

 

 
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October 26, 2006, 7:52 pm PDT

MORALS

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Like when alcohol was banned in the thirties?  Cut booze right off at the head, didn't it?

 

Kiddie porn already is a crime, as it should be, because it harms children who cannot consent to what is being done to them.

 

Adult porn is nobody's business but the people who want it and the people who do it voluntarily.  Just like alcohol, tobacco & mind altering drugs, prostitution & porn will always be around.  If it's legal, it can be monitored and even taxed.  If it's banned, it will still be around, but thirties style - with gangs,  murder, crime etc. attached to every phase.

WHERE ARE ALL THE MORALS??????? 

 
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October 26, 2006, 7:57 pm PDT

What have you done to help any victims you know? Christy

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If it takes writing a book to wake people up to how wrong family violence is, then I would do it!! Got an editor?? What have you done to help any victims you know?  Christy

My sister and I were severely abused.....what have we done?  We not only got help for ourselves....we stay close...we are there for each other during stressful times.....we help each other with child rearing.  The last thing we would ever want would be to see the other fail......shame on you Christy!

 

BTW....you must have had a HUGE bathroom as a child to have been whipped with a horse whip, have you ever seen one , they are VERY long....this makes this story very hard for me to believe.

 
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October 26, 2006, 7:59 pm PDT

Hang in there Amarillo

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You are so far off it's not even funny. That's my dad their talking about and that's my sister. He's not a abusive and she's not lying about this subject!

Purple and I and ever so many others see the writing on the wall here.  Just remember it is your AUNT who needs help.  Hopefully you and the family can guide her to where she can get it.  It's not about you or your mom and dad.  It's a problem Aunt Christy needs someone in the family to help her with.  Find a good clinic or private counselor in her area that can help her.  I am sure Dr. Phil will pass along the info so you don't have to have contact with her.

 

You need know your parents love you, your siblings love you and no matter what people say in here or anywhere else you have that unconditional love.  And find someone that you yourself feels safe in sharing feelings, fears, concerns with but not a family matter.  Someone outside the family who can step back and see things as they really are.  And don't be mad at the lies being told.... they are just another cry for attention from the person telling them. 

 

I am not a pervert but the mom of 4 girls who hate to see any of you kids in the middle of this and would love to arrange a calm, loving home environment to hide out in until this is all over.  If i could protect you from what was charged and hten found as groundless and the contiuing behavior of your aunt i would hide you out here!!!  I know that isn't possible but it's halloween and time to bake cookies and make popcorn balls and go to the apple orchard.  This is what you need in your young lives...................not some aunt screaming at you about how bad you parents are.,,,,,,  Bring the mom and pop and hide out here........... Hay rides galore, apple butter making, cider making, caramel apples need to go on stick!!!  We can put ya all working together as a family and let the other melt away for a bit!   Good Luck to kiddo - you are the ones i think of in this mess..

 

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October 26, 2006, 8:03 pm PDT

10/26 Backstabbing Sisters

WRT the porn, by the way...  Stacy says, and I believe her, that what she found was mainline porn.  It upset her, as it would many women.  She probably did say to Christy that some of the women on the vid looked underage.  From this, her sister got all hung up on kiddy porn, and convinced her, briefly, that she needed to get away and protect her kids. 

 

But if it WAS kiddy porn, I also believe that Stacy wouldn't have gone home.  I think after she had a little time to think about what she saw and talk to her kids, she realized it wasn't that kind of stuff.  Smut, yes, and certainly something she would not want her kids to SEE.  But not evidence that her husband was some kind of sneaky uncle. 

 

I personally think porn - mainline porn - could be a big issue in a marriage.  I think it's gross, and knowing that those are the kinds of thoughts that go through my man's head when he's making love would probably put me right out of the mood.  But let's get real - most men, at some time in their lives, have looked at the stuff.  It doesn't make them child abusers.  You don't have to protect your kids from them. 

 

Let's not be so quick to believe things that could destroy a man's life.  Let the pro's investigate this and let the evidence prevail, particularly if the kids are saying that nothing is wrong, and if the kids seem well-adjusted and secure, as Stacy's daughter definitely does.

 
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October 26, 2006, 8:04 pm PDT

I lool forward to the polygraph results too

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Bravo to Christy!!!  I dont agree that what she is doing is backstabbing at all. Christy, if you are reading this, PLEASE dont give up for the sake of the children.  My brother used to work for DCFS here in Illinois and has told me stories of how easily it is to not be able to substantiate abuse due to:  no bruises or any physical markings, and children are so scared that the parents will be taken away, that they will lie over and over, about what is really going on. It's not to hard to understand why the DA wont pursue this child porn issue; due to not being able to prove the chain of user ship or whatever you call it.  It also doesnt help this case that your sister is not willing to support the DA in any way shape or form.  Yes, I understand that the DA doesnt need her support, but as it stands they dont have a winnable case without proof user ship of that hardrive. Their hands are tied.  Why is it so hard for people to understand this computer issue?

I believe the truth will come out sooner or later, it always does, only a matter of time. 

I look forward to the results of the lie detector tests.  I bet that your sister will come up with some excuse/reason not to take it.  Will see.

I will be truly amazed if Stacy actually takes a lie detector test.  I also believe that when Christy takes the test and passes it, it won't be because she's lied to herself to the point that she's delusional.  Did anyone stop to consider that Christy may pass the polygraph because she's actually telling the truth?  I don't know what actually goes on in Stacy's home, but I definitely feel like Stacy is not telling the whole truth.  I also think that if Christy appears to be angry and vindictive, it's because of her frustration at the whole situation and not because she hates Stacy.  There are so many things about this entire family (Stacy, Christy, their brother, parents, everyone involved) that we don't know, because there's just no way for everything to come out in a one-hour TV show.  Hopefully Dr. Phil can figure out enough of the situation to get help for the ones who need it, because it's going to take some extensive therapy for all involved. 

 

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October 26, 2006, 8:07 pm PDT

Honey,please accept

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You are so far off it's not even funny. That's my dad their talking about and that's my sister. He's not a abusive and she's not lying about this subject!
a big hug from America .I know I can speak for MILLIONS who watched your familys story today,and I can promis you that prayers and well wishes are being sent your way.What you and your siblings have been thru is truely tragic and I ask the many many folks on here who will be reading all this to continue to send you prayers for a brighter future,,People can see what this woman has done to you,and I know this show will help those in your town and school who have given you a hard time,to now see what evil intent is really behind this ,AND PLEASE<<<STAY AWAY FROM THAT AUNT !!!
 
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October 26, 2006, 8:09 pm PDT

WHAT THE HECK

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Christy's complaints, and her almost fanatical devotion to them, have all the earmarks of someone who has fallen into the Recovered Memory movement. I'm suprised that she dosen't accuse Stacy and her mother of belonging to a Satanic cult.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?  IT WAS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT STACEY AND HER DAUGHTER WERE NOT BEING TRUTHFUL?  WHY WASN'T DADDY THERE WITH MOMMY AND DAUGHTER DEFENDING THEIR FAMILY?  IT LEFT THEM THERE ALL ALONE TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES.  GOOD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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