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Topic : 12/26 Cheating Disasters

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Created on : Friday, October 27, 2006, 02:15:59 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/31/06) Cheating can take many forms: secret meetings, romantic text messages and flirtatious e-mails, among others? Dr. Phil’s guests say they need help moving past an infidelity. Noelle says she can’t stop obsessing about her husband, Robert’s, affair. She calls the other woman "a whore" and even beats Robert up in front of their children. Find out what happens when the ex-mistress weighs in. Can Robert and Noelle get closure and get their family back on track? Then, Randy recently found out his wife, Kally, was cheating on him while he was at work. He says Kally went on dates with another man and even brought the kids along! Kally says her husband’s controlling and jealous ways made her cheat. Will Randy and Kally be able to salvage their relationship? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 30, 2006, 10:28 am PST

I CONCUR

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What?

What does your wife cheating on you have to do with you having "some life with the guys"?

And Love you? Sure. Feed you? Feed yourself! Time with the guys? Sure, a reasonable ammount, if you want to spend all your time with your guy friends, then maybe you shouldn't be married. And nagging? What does that mean?

This is strange.
Yeah and while she's at it she could just throw another log on the fire.. keep him warm eh?
 
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October 30, 2006, 11:31 am PST

10/31 Cheating Disasters

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 My X had an affair with our female Boy Scout leader.  (Yes she is still the Leader of the troop,  the scout leadership here did not care, my X was the Committee Chair).  She was married with children too.

I divorced him as soon as I found out.  Have not been as happy as I am now in a long time.

Yes he was an Exec. that was out of work and felt bad about himself but that is no excuse.  It is a character issue.

My 5 kids do not talk to him (it has been a year and a half now), because he taught them that God always comes first in your life and then your family.  He puts his whore first now.

You reap what you sow. 


I find your message a bit twisted.  In one sentence you say you are happy and in the next you call another human being a whore. You don't sound very happy to me. Your message oozes with bitterness. 

 
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October 30, 2006, 12:37 pm PST

Can't wait to see this show

I am going through this very situation right now.  I have been married for 7 years and at the beginning of this year I found out that my husband was (is) having a what appears to be emotional affair.  I discovered some text messages in his cell phone, a cell phone that was in my name no less, and I flipped out.  We have been together for 13 years and never had a trust issue and then all of a sudden he decides he wants to lose his mind and go outside our relationship. 

For the past 10 months I have been trying to  get a handle on my relationship and trying to figure out why all this happened.  Let me say I am not having any luck.  He has no remorse and he hasn't admitted that he has done anything wrong, in his words "I haven't done anything because I haven't slept with anybody."  I told him that whatever he got out of this situation I hope it was worth it because it he ruined a 13 year relationship over it.

 
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October 30, 2006, 4:57 pm PST

10/31 Cheating Disasters

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I find your message a bit twisted.  In one sentence you say you are happy and in the next you call another human being a whore. You don't sound very happy to me. Your message oozes with bitterness. 

She's probably saying that she has less stress.  Sometimes when we go through trials in our lives we may be healed in some ways, but the scars still remain.  It may take some time for the bitterness to go away. 
 
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October 30, 2006, 5:10 pm PST

randys story sounds like my first two merrages

all i could suggest in his case would be to turn louse if he dosent think he can tryley forgive her if she has prommiced to never do it again, i know i feel better just letting them go there sepetet ways,sure saved alot of fussing and cussing, life is just too short to spend it like that.
 
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October 30, 2006, 6:16 pm PST

Suggested Readings

There are two really good books that talk about this very subject.  Every Man's Battle and Every Woman's Battle, written by Steven Arterburn (sp). 
 
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October 30, 2006, 6:49 pm PST

10/31 Cheating Disasters

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  What would be considered "cheating?"  There was a man who actively pursued me when he would come in for customer assistance. He listened when I needed someone, and I listened when he needed someone. I am married and he is married. So many times I told my husband that I needed more of hiim - not just the leftovers after he finished with his busy day. I told him I wanted to have a heart-to-heart with him and I told him my needs were being met somewhere else (I was on the way out the door to meet a girlfriend and go bar-hopping). He looked up from the TV show he was watching to say..."have a good night tonight, don't be out too long."  He even had dinner on the table when I would come home at night so I would "have a full belly" when I went out that night. Again, I tried to tell him that we needed to address a few issues,  and he insisted that I was making a big deal over our "perfect marriage" After all, he was happy. He never came out with me even if I asked. He has never touched a drink to his lips, nor does he ever have the desire. So....one night he asked me point blank if I was seeing someone else, and I was flat out honest and said yes. I told him that I wasn't sure I could give this person up -after all, neither one of us wanted to break up our marriages - we just needed someone to listen. He forgave me within a few days, and he has never wanted to talk about it. I have never been sexually involved with another man - I just wanted my needs to be met by HIM. I can't make him "get it." We live in this world of "I'm ok-you're ok...."  I insisted on counseling to try to work through some things.....he was apprehensive. Can't figure him out. We have been married for 11 years now, and I still find that I am persued by men who "want to listen"....but once they discover I will not begin a sexual affair, they split.  So....what do you think?  Am I crazy? My husband insists that *I* have the problem and therefore, he doesn't  need to be couseled.........

In the mean time, I broke my relationship up with this other person, but I find myself in this same position with another person who wants to get to know me.  So, can anyone tell me whether or not this was considered being unfaithful?? It doesn't even matter to him.....any advice??

 Yup, I think the situation you described falls squarely into the category of cheating.

I know you said you never became physically involved with the other man (men?), but like a lot of the posters on this board have said, you were having an emotional affair, and it sounds like you are again.

Please understand, I am not berating you; I am simply answering your question ("What would be considered 'cheating?'"). Now on to the part where I sympathize; it sounds like you are very lonely and ***desperate*** for emotional connection to your husband, and the dude sounds thick, though you portray him as decent and well-meaning. He doesn't perceive at all your yearning for him.

It's very disturbing that, even despite what I would think would be a devastating newflash  to him, he still doesn't want to participate in couples therapy with you. C'mon, dude, get a clue!

If you haven't already, see the counselor yourself, though ideally you want your husband there, too. It's something, and the therapist can help you get to the bottom of your issues and concerns. I know it doesn't sound fair, but it's better than continuing what you're doing, right? Perhaps this therapist can advise you on how to persuade your husband to come along, or, in the most extreme case, how to leave him.

And, of COURSE those other men take off when they learn you won't "put out." To all the ladies: if men know you are married, yet still pursue you, what does that say about their characters? Nothing good, don't you think?
 
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October 30, 2006, 9:52 pm PST

Advice

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  What would be considered "cheating?"  There was a man who actively pursued me when he would come in for customer assistance. He listened when I needed someone, and I listened when he needed someone. I am married and he is married. So many times I told my husband that I needed more of hiim - not just the leftovers after he finished with his busy day. I told him I wanted to have a heart-to-heart with him and I told him my needs were being met somewhere else (I was on the way out the door to meet a girlfriend and go bar-hopping). He looked up from the TV show he was watching to say..."have a good night tonight, don't be out too long."  He even had dinner on the table when I would come home at night so I would "have a full belly" when I went out that night. Again, I tried to tell him that we needed to address a few issues,  and he insisted that I was making a big deal over our "perfect marriage" After all, he was happy. He never came out with me even if I asked. He has never touched a drink to his lips, nor does he ever have the desire. So....one night he asked me point blank if I was seeing someone else, and I was flat out honest and said yes. I told him that I wasn't sure I could give this person up -after all, neither one of us wanted to break up our marriages - we just needed someone to listen. He forgave me within a few days, and he has never wanted to talk about it. I have never been sexually involved with another man - I just wanted my needs to be met by HIM. I can't make him "get it." We live in this world of "I'm ok-you're ok...."  I insisted on counseling to try to work through some things.....he was apprehensive. Can't figure him out. We have been married for 11 years now, and I still find that I am persued by men who "want to listen"....but once they discover I will not begin a sexual affair, they split.  So....what do you think?  Am I crazy? My husband insists that *I* have the problem and therefore, he doesn't  need to be couseled.........

In the mean time, I broke my relationship up with this other person, but I find myself in this same position with another person who wants to get to know me.  So, can anyone tell me whether or not this was considered being unfaithful?? It doesn't even matter to him.....any advice??

Yes this would be considered being unfaithful.  Sounds like your husband has checked out emotionally.  What was he like when you were dating, in what ways did he change after you got married and as the marriage progressed.  Your husband may have issues that he is afraid to face and if he went to counseling some of these emotions might be brought to the surface.  A good marriage is about meeting the other's needs and your husband is not doing that because he is not meeting your emotional needs.  He claims he is happy to that is all that matters, well that's not all that matters, you matter and you should be his first priority.  I wouldn't divorce him that is not the answer.  There is a book, "The Five Love Languages for Married people" Author by Gary Chapman.  It is a good read and might help. 
 
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October 31, 2006, 3:51 am PST

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Sorry, these are some sick, twisted people to bring their children into their adult messes. Noelle and Randy are emotionally ABUSING their children with their nasty "whore" and "sex" comments about the other parent. The children have NO BUSINESS being brought into this. They were betrayed just as badly as you were, now you're punishing them for what their parent did. Shame on both of you.

 

As an aside, I am always baffled by everyone's anger toward the "other woman". She didn't cheat on you, your husband did! Right under your nose! Then the husband or cheating spouse plays "victim" to the manipulations of the other person. Get real, folks.

 
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October 31, 2006, 5:30 am PST

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Sorry, these are some sick, twisted people to bring their children into their adult messes. Noelle and Randy are emotionally ABUSING their children with their nasty "whore" and "sex" comments about the other parent. The children have NO BUSINESS being brought into this. They were betrayed just as badly as you were, now you're punishing them for what their parent did. Shame on both of you.

 

As an aside, I am always baffled by everyone's anger toward the "other woman". She didn't cheat on you, your husband did! Right under your nose! Then the husband or cheating spouse plays "victim" to the manipulations of the other person. Get real, folks.

I agree with your first paragraph and most of your second.  The "other woman"(or other man) can frequently be someone close to the person victimized by the cheating.  In those cases, anger toward both is warranted and natural.
 
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