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Do you know someone whose behavior is always making you raise an eyebrow? Dr. Phil helps his guests distinguish what's normal and what's not. Kelly says she’s tired of her husband, Scott’s, jokes. She says they’re inappropriate, obnoxious and rude. Scott admits that his jokes can be sexual in nature, but he loves being the life of the party. Will Kelly loosen up, or does Scott need to tone it down? Then, Vicki fears that she’s dying and visits the doctor at least once a week. Her husband, Harvey, says she needs to stop worrying about her health or she’s really going to make herself sick. Is it all in Vicki’s head, or does she really have a reason to be afraid? And, Shelita refuses to celebrate the holidays because she says they’re pagan festivals. Her sister, Akea, says she contradicts herself by accepting presents. Will Akea be able to embrace her sister’s decision, or is Shelita being unreasonable? Plus, Dr. Phil and Robin kick off their participation in the 2006 Toys for Tots holiday campaign! Join the discussion.

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November 1, 2006, 11:51 am PST

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Over 16 years ago I was attending a Free Methodist church. One of my fellow church-goers gave me a taped interview that began to enlighten me -and frighten me a bit as well. This interview was with a former priest of a Satanic church (Mike Warnke).He spoke of the origins of the holidays, but what I paid most attention to was that of Halloween. He told of how he had knowledge that certain groups prayed for the "souls" of those out celebrating Halloween; trick-or-treating and the like. I decided right then and there that there was no way that I would ever send my children out trick-or-treating or let them be anyway subjected to such things. That was my decision for my children and my way of protecting them from "unseen forces". Whether you believe in "ghosts" (or spirits) or  not, doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm no longer attending that church, but I have since moved on in my research and studies of the Bible. I have been studying the truth of the Bible now (off and on) for over 13 years. I must say that things that used to scare me no longer do -such as graveyards and "scary" movies. I'm not afraid of death, the dying process makes me a bit nervous, but not death itself. I'm more concerned about living! Knowledge is powerful and the fear comes from the unkown. Enlightenment is a real release.
 
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November 1, 2006, 11:57 am PST

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Over 16 years ago I was attending a Free Methodist church. One of my fellow church-goers gave me a taped interview that began to enlighten me -and frighten me a bit as well. This interview was with a former priest of a Satanic church (Mike Warnke).He spoke of the origins of the holidays, but what I paid most attention to was that of Halloween. He told of how he had knowledge that certain groups prayed for the "souls" of those out celebrating Halloween; trick-or-treating and the like. I decided right then and there that there was no way that I would ever send my children out trick-or-treating or let them be anyway subjected to such things. That was my decision for my children and my way of protecting them from "unseen forces". Whether you believe in "ghosts" (or spirits) or  not, doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm no longer attending that church, but I have since moved on in my research and studies of the Bible. I have been studying the truth of the Bible now (off and on) for over 13 years. I must say that things that used to scare me no longer do -such as graveyards and "scary" movies. I'm not afraid of death, the dying process makes me a bit nervous, but not death itself. I'm more concerned about living! Knowledge is powerful and the fear comes from the unkown. Enlightenment is a real release.
Enlightenment is a real release.

I love that. That's a great comment.
 
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November 1, 2006, 11:59 am PST

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I only caught a snippet of today's show, when Scott and Kelly were on. And, she was complaining about his off-color sense of humor. I noted, from one of Dr Phil's questions, and Kelly's reply, that Scott was already this way when she married him. Did it not bother her back then? Did she find it amusing and entertaining? Cute, even? Did she not know that what's amusing, or just  a slight annoyance, when dating can become, after a few years of marraige, almost a deal breaker. And, has Donna been sending Scott mixed messages about this? Complaining about it on one hand. And going to nudist events, on the other. Seems to me, a woman doesn't want her husband talking about their sex life wouldn't be going naked in front of others.
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:05 pm PST

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Shelita is right...with just a little research, people will know that many of the holidays the world celebrates (including Christmas and Easter) have pagan origins.  Shelita is not wrong if she chooses not to celebrate these holidays.  Right now, it appears that she would be sinning against her own conscience if she did so.

 

As a Christian and a serious student of Christ's teachings, however, I believe that as she grows in her faith, she will realize that it is possible to celebrate these things as "holidays", not "holy days".  When each of these holidays comes around, we emphasize to our kids that these are not holy days...and exactly what the issues are with them.  We then conclude by saying, "but it is good that the world recognizes the birth (or the death, burial and ressurection) of Christ at least one day a year."  For us, Easter is about candy and colored eggs only; Christmas is about the spirit of giving, the love of family and presents; Thanksgiving is about family time and good food, etc.  I can not , however, find anything redemptive about Halloween.  I blast this holiday to my kids, but I do let them go to their school's Fall Festival to get some candy--no witch and ghoul costumes, of course!

 

Not trying to tell you how to raise your kids, Shelita, but balance can be created by distinguishing the difference between "holidays" versus "holy days."  There is scriptural basis for this.

 

That's where you and I differ, to me they are Holy days, not just holidays. =)
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:21 pm PST

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Shelita, did the research herself...... omg.... Literally Oh My God! Help that poor poor woman.  Yes, Constantine established Christmas, Easter etc near pagan holidays.  the purpose was NOT to worship pagan beliefs but to assit the conversion of pagans to christianity.  if we celebrate christs birth on december 25th, and it isn't really his birthday.  do you think he sits upon his throne and says HOW DARE THEY CELEBRATE MY BIRTH ON THE WRONG DAY!!!!  No, I believe our love and faith warms his heart and knows that it is a celebration of his birth.  The dates of Jesus life were not written as specifics.  And yet we still have faith.  Shelita, lacks faith and presents judgment.  Not her job.  God's job to sit in judgement.  Small children playing dress up on halloween is not celebrating evil.  It's small children running from house to house asking for candy.  Period.  Now, those who are in to Pagan rituals may be doing that on that night.  But that is their choice to recognize it as a pagan holiday.  A 5 year old only knows Woo hoo, its Halloween and I get candy!  So, if you raise them to love and honor God ON ALL DAYS!  it doesn't matter if we have the date right, only the intention.

 

Pagans may be doing what on that night?  Evil rituals?  I think you need to read up on that.  And for those who do evil things on that night do not understand the true meaning of Samhain (Halloween).   My son is 3 and knows a little about Samhain, not only that he gets treats, but it is a day to remember our ancestors. 

 

And, it is a Pagan holiday.  That does not make it evil.  And most Pagans (myself included) celebrate the Winter Solstice in December which usually is on the 21st or 22nd.  We don't do anything on the 25th except visit family, but no, Jesus in not the center of our worship on our holy day.
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:23 pm PST

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I only caught a snippet of today's show, when Scott and Kelly were on. And, she was complaining about his off-color sense of humor. I noted, from one of Dr Phil's questions, and Kelly's reply, that Scott was already this way when she married him. Did it not bother her back then? Did she find it amusing and entertaining? Cute, even? Did she not know that what's amusing, or just  a slight annoyance, when dating can become, after a few years of marraige, almost a deal breaker. And, has Donna been sending Scott mixed messages about this? Complaining about it on one hand. And going to nudist events, on the other. Seems to me, a woman doesn't want her husband talking about their sex life wouldn't be going naked in front of others.

She knew what he was like, but said that since they bought the bar, he's been "worse". I think that the nudist thing was his idea and she just went along. I guess the nudist resort they go to is one of those "clothing optional" places.
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:26 pm PST

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     I dont usually write to discussion boards, but the guest on today's show really upset me. If she doesnt care to celebrate the holidays that's her decision, but she has no right to tell others they are going to be condemed for celebrating their beliefs.  I find it repulsive that people who may or may not have any religious or historical education,  read  "so called" research, and misinterpret and/or misquote it, then launch off on a mission based on their mistaken findings. 
    Christ was not born on Dec.25.   Any informed church-going christian knows that.  No one knows the exact date our Lord was born.   Christmas is a holiday which grew from the mass celebrating Christ's birth.  Whether it be on Dec.25 or June 25, this is the day  we as Christians celebrate God's giving us his only son. 
      Scholars spend their entire lives studying hisory, ancient culture, and the scripture.  If I wish to find reliable information regarding my faith, I will consult one of them, NOT today's guest.  My input to her would be YES!  Your beliefs are wierd... (and obnoxious)!

Christmas came along because it was a way to convert Pagans to Christianity.  Pagans celebrated the Winter Solstice and in order to convert Pagans, Christians brought Pagan beliefs into their church in hopes that it would work.  So Shelita was correct about the info she gave.  What she wasn't correct about was that Pagans are satanists, I agree that she needs to read up more on that.

 

A lot of Christian holidays have Pagan roots.
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:38 pm PST

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Shelita, did the research herself...... omg.... Literally Oh My God! Help that poor poor woman.  Yes, Constantine established Christmas, Easter etc near pagan holidays.  the purpose was NOT to worship pagan beliefs but to assit the conversion of pagans to christianity.  if we celebrate christs birth on december 25th, and it isn't really his birthday.  do you think he sits upon his throne and says HOW DARE THEY CELEBRATE MY BIRTH ON THE WRONG DAY!!!!  No, I believe our love and faith warms his heart and knows that it is a celebration of his birth.  The dates of Jesus life were not written as specifics.  And yet we still have faith.  Shelita, lacks faith and presents judgment.  Not her job.  God's job to sit in judgement.  Small children playing dress up on halloween is not celebrating evil.  It's small children running from house to house asking for candy.  Period.  Now, those who are in to Pagan rituals may be doing that on that night.  But that is their choice to recognize it as a pagan holiday.  A 5 year old only knows Woo hoo, its Halloween and I get candy!  So, if you raise them to love and honor God ON ALL DAYS!  it doesn't matter if we have the date right, only the intention.

 

I was really pleased to read someone enunciate my feelings on the topic, since I didn't know best how to express them.  I agree with you!  Thank you.
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:41 pm PST

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Can someone comment on this for me?

When I was growing up, my parents explained Halloween as this: Nov. 1 is all souls day, the day that all souls in purgatory will go to heaven. Because the devil wants these souls to go to hell, he comes out the day before all souls day and rounds them up. To prevent themselves from going to hell, the souls dress in costumes to prevent the devil from recognizing them.

Has anyone else ever heard of this explanation for Halloween? Or, were my parents just totally wrong?

Yes, that is what the church wants you to believe, but NO, it is not true.

 

Samhain (Halloween) was a last harvest festival and it was a day to remember our ancestors.  My ancestors left treats for the visiting spirits (our modern day trick or treating) and dressed up with masks (our modern day costumes) to ward away evil spirits, but to also connect with those souls that have passed that they miss.

 

There are two possible explanations for this Sabbat (holiday), one being the origin of the Aryan God of death, Samana, and the other from the Irish Gaelic word "samhraidhreadth", which literally means "summer's end".  Nothing evil about that. =)  November 1st was the Celtic New Year.  You see, the Celts marked their years in two seasons, summer and winter, light and dark.  Samhain is a harvest festival.

 

The Celts celebrated this for thousands of years before Christianity.  The church began calling it Michaelmas, the feast day of St. Michael, but the Pagan traditions seemed too strong to break away, so it was renamed Eve of all Saints Day, which the next day (nov. 1st) is All saints day.  But again, so much Samhain lore and practise was taking place that the church had no choice but to diabolize this holiday into a night filled with evil and evil spirits.  Again, their way of converting.  They started a successful campaigne of fear among Christians concerning this holiday.  And the witch, well, now she is looked at as an evil person, instead of an elderly, knowledgable women that the towns viewed her as. 

 

So, you see, the church made this into an evil holiday, not Pagans.  Christians did that, and it seems they have had a big following to this day still.

 

You're parents were wrong and I'm sorry that you have had to listen to such a story.  No wonder people get freaked out about this holiday.

 

Thanks for reading.

Elffie
 
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November 1, 2006, 12:43 pm PST

I am glad i'm not the only one

I just finished watching the section on holidays, and  I totally agree with  her. IF you read this, just know that there are a lot of people out here who feel and do the same way. I dont celebrate Halloween at all, in fact, I hate it. At Christmas, so that we didnt miss out growing up, my mom would put up a nativity scene (a BIG ONE) instead of a christmas tree (pagen god) and we would pretend like we were bringing the presents to baby Jesus, instead of putting them under a tree! Hold fast to your beliefs! and I was so glad to hear u say that u wouldnt let ur daughter either, because u will be held responsible for her soul until her age of accountability. You have my prayers!
 
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