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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 29, 2006, 10:25 am PST

Why is it NOT POSSIBLE....

WHY can't people think that this MIGHT be a BIG MISTAKE.... and MISUNDERSTANDING.......we do NOT KNOW IF Krista is inadvertently putting these words in Kaylees head..... NOW... read what I WROTE..........This may very well.... be a HUGE misunderstanding.... and Kaylee may have not been sexually abused.... I am NOT SAYING KAYLEE IS LYING!!!!! I personally think this is all a misunderstanding born from a young inexperienced mom asking a very young child the wrong questions... and not understanding how to get the right answers... it should have been handled by a child psychologist to begin with... Kaylee NEVER said her dad was sexually abusing her.... that is just the conclusion that was made... after she had an injury.... and she was questioned by her mother..... she could have said that he touched her pee-pee, but meant that he did it when changing her diaper..... BTW... When Jeremy took her to the hospital, after complaining that her privates hurt....she NEVER told the ER Dr at the emergency room that her daddy touched her.... and that is probably why he was cleared........... NOW AS IT STANDS..... there are way too many rumors being started... and words being twisted.... and people seeking attention..... and misinformation being thrown around to manipulate and make Jeremy look even worse than they have already made him look... and that is NOT FAIR................................. BTW.... I was molested as well... and did not tell until I was 16... and that is because when I was 4-7 and that young... I did not understand what was going on...... I was too young to understand what was going on.... and Kaylee is TOO young to be able to explain the difference between a safe touch and a bad touch....................................... WHY do some of YOU FIND THAT SO HARD TO BELIEVE.?????? ... To me this sounds quite reasonable...... I am NOT saying that ANYONE IS LYING...... BUT I HAVE LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT....... THE DR'S have SAID.... "THERE IS NO PHYSICAL SIGNS OF ABUSE"... YET, Kaylee has been reported as saying that she was penetrated.. and there was bleeding... how can that BE... IF THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL SIGNS OF ABUSE?????.... and this was an exam 2 days after Kaylee said he put his pee-pee in her pee-pee... and it was bleeding.... It this was true.. the evidence would have STLL been there.. ALSO... and giving the benefit of the doubt here...... the mother could have accidently put these words in Kaylee's head...... and btw.... Children this age scream and cry at the drop of a hat.... especially when they are always in unstable households.... this does NOT mean that Jeremy is a pedophile, who is sexually abusing his daughter....
 
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November 29, 2006, 10:36 am PST

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I have to say.... VERY WELL PUT...... I just wish most people could see this..................................................................... BTW... just so you know... when a LONG message is in ALL CAPITALS... it makes it REALLY hard to read.... just some friendly advise....... not meant to be offensive....
You stated ........."I HAVE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENTS OF SOCIAL SERVICES IN CHILD CASES AND THEY TAKE THESE ACCUSATIONS VERY SERIOUSLY AND IF THERE WERE NO PROOF, THEY WILL NOT TAKE STEPS" ................That is not true in alot of cases. Social Services involved in child cases do take on cases where there is no proof. I know this for a fact and others may agree that Social Service will listen to accusations without proof and make the accused prove themselves inocent....And there is proof in this case.....The child's labia was torn after her visit. The video of her crying scared. The lie detecter test. Jeremy hadn't been apart of the first 2 years of Kaylee life. Thats considered abandment in the Sate of MI but does the mother refuse to follow the courts recomindations for visitation. No she doesn't. And So what if Bonnie is pushy. Maybe thats what we need.. Some one to to push the system to do whats right and not looking at it as just another woman kicking and screaming. Come on I know I would push the issue even if I just had doubts. My ex and I are good friends but if I even thought of him ever doing something like this you better believe I would be a pain to deal with to until I got to the bottom of it. It's not the people that it's the system. CPS, Friend of the Court and our Government. If they don't make money off of it then it's a waste of there time. It's makes me SICK.
 
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November 29, 2006, 10:54 am PST

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You stated ........."I HAVE WORKED WITH DEPARTMENTS OF SOCIAL SERVICES IN CHILD CASES AND THEY TAKE THESE ACCUSATIONS VERY SERIOUSLY AND IF THERE WERE NO PROOF, THEY WILL NOT TAKE STEPS" ................That is not true in alot of cases. Social Services involved in child cases do take on cases where there is no proof. I know this for a fact and others may agree that Social Service will listen to accusations without proof and make the accused prove themselves inocent....And there is proof in this case.....The child's labia was torn after her visit. The video of her crying scared. The lie detecter test. Jeremy hadn't been apart of the first 2 years of Kaylee life. Thats considered abandment in the Sate of MI but does the mother refuse to follow the courts recomindations for visitation. No she doesn't. And So what if Bonnie is pushy. Maybe thats what we need.. Some one to to push the system to do whats right and not looking at it as just another woman kicking and screaming. Come on I know I would push the issue even if I just had doubts. My ex and I are good friends but if I even thought of him ever doing something like this you better believe I would be a pain to deal with to until I got to the bottom of it. It's not the people that it's the system. CPS, Friend of the Court and our Government. If they don't make money off of it then it's a waste of there time. It's makes me SICK.
YOU REPLIED TO THE WRONG POST!!!!!.... If a message is in white.... then it is NOT the original POST... the BLUE messages are the ones you are supposed to reply to..... if you want to reply to a message that is in WHITE... then click on the name in the WHITE POST..... it will then take you to the ORIGINAL POST.... then reply to that MESSAGE...... Otherwise it gets confusing as to who you are agreeing with or disagreeing with.... and in this case... it LOOKS LIKE I SAID... that I worked for Soc. Servs... and I NEVER POSTED THAT.......
 
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November 29, 2006, 10:59 am PST

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Dr. Phil:

 

I understand that you have to be the middle man between the parents of Shayle but this has gone to far.  I don't understand the court system and the Child Protective System to let this child go back to visit with Jeremy without supervision.  I am worried about her and the way she comes back. 

 

Jeremy should not be allowed to be around any children.  The new child that his girlfriend/wife is carrying should be kept away what is this mother thinking.


I watched the show last night 11/28/2006 and was sickened by the whole thing.  I don't understand and I think that someone needs to step in and help the child. 

 

CAN'T YOU DO ANYTHING TO INFLUENCE THE SITUATION WITH CPS AND THE COURT SYSTEM?  You said it is about Shayle, why isn't something being done such as you hiring the mother a better attorney and getting that child away from Jeremy.  What is it going to take her being hurt more and more........

 

Jeremy tries to put off that he is intelligent and not doing things but the way he says and does things it shows the real side of him.  I think he is guilty and he needs to be punished.....

 

My whole family watched this and my daughters and sons that are older think that he is sick and guilty. 

Please do something to help this child.

 

Also, Child Protective System does not work, they are not in it for the child they do it because it is their job.  I live in Arizona and I know that they are not doing their job...

 

Marcella, a worried mother.

her name is KAYLEE...... and there is NO REAL EVIDENCE...... Just because You think he is guilty... does NOT MAKE YOU RIGHT..... YOU COULD BE WRONG......
 
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November 29, 2006, 11:08 am PST

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what you are confused about is these men that do this get away with it  b/c of people like you applying logic to it that is linear.

 

They have been doing it under peoples noses b/c of people not even believing what they see

 

THEY CAN'T CONTROL THEIR IMPULSES THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO AND THEY ARE LIKE HORNY TEENAGERS B/C THAT IS THEIR LEVEL OF FUNCTIONING THEY CAN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES WITOUT HELP

 

THEY CAN'T GET HELP IF THEY ARE IN DENIAL THE FIRST STEP TO ANY PROBLEM IS RECOGNIZING YOU HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT FEELS NATURAL TO THEM.  THEY WILL NOT GET HELP IF PEOPLE LIKE YOU STAY IN DENIAL WITH THIS LOGIC

 

WELL WHY WOULD HE DO IT IF SOMEONE IS WATCHING CLOSELY B/C THEY LOVE THE POWER AND CONTROL ASPECT AND THEY LOVE THE THRILL OF GETTING AWAY WITH IT

 

JUST B/C YOU DON'T GET IT DOESN'T MEAN IT ISN[T TRUE

 

YOU ARE CONFUSED DON'T WRITE WHAT YOU DON' TKNO W ABOUT

BTW... what makes you think YOU know more than the post you were TRYING to reply to..... YOU ARE WRITING about a CASE YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT.... You might be the one who is confused.... attacking a person who is keeping an open mind... because the evidence is NOT there.... YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING..... BTW.... what is WRONG with using LOGIC????? it is a GOOD THING TO DO....
 
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November 29, 2006, 11:26 am PST

Opinions Opinions Opinions

GEEZ OLE PETE !!!!   You people are to much for me..........Open your eye's. All aside........It's better to be safe than sorry. You all are forming opinions on what you seen on TV. Do a little research on Jeremy's background and listen to the people that realy know him. The man needs help even if he didn't do it. The whole family needs to sit down with a family counciler. This whole thing is being blown out of context. I suppose OJ didn't do it eighter......Maybe his wife wanted to much child support.........This is realy disgusting.
 

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November 29, 2006, 11:35 am PST

Kaylee needs to be protected

I've been watching each segment with Kaylee's family and Jeremy is so guilty. It shows in his eyes, his body movement, his words the way he can't look Dr. Phil in his eyes, the way he failed the lie detector test. It unfortunately doesn't surprise to hear about CPS. Although they do great work, sometimes cases do fall through the crack, as I have seen this happen and Kaylee is suffering for it. I pray that Dr. Phil intervenes on Kaylee's behalf and gets her away from Jeremy.  I know too well what it's like to suffer the effects from incest and to see this precious child go through this, it 's unimaginable.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the signs of someone molesting a child and Jeremy shows all the signs.  He's a pedophile with a capital P and needs to be locked away. I wonder how Dr. Phil keeps it together on the couch. I wonder how he maintains his composure and I wonder if inside he wants to just punch his lights out. I commend Dr. Phil, after all, he is a professional, to act the way he does and tell it like it is. I can't say I'd do the same.  My heart goes out to Kaylee. She's young enough now to get the help she needs. The abuse can stop now and she may not have to endure what I endured for years. The lasting effects as an adult are horrible and I hope she will never have to go through that.  I wonder if Dr. Phil reads his message boards. If you do Dr. Phil, I applaud you and I hope you continue to keep fighting for Kaylee. Please, don't let this abuse continue. 

 

Thank you.

 

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November 29, 2006, 11:44 am PST

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Quote From: rlwitham

WHY can't people think that this MIGHT be a BIG MISTAKE.... and MISUNDERSTANDING.......we do NOT KNOW IF Krista is inadvertently putting these words in Kaylees head..... NOW... read what I WROTE..........This may very well.... be a HUGE misunderstanding.... and Kaylee may have not been sexually abused.... I am NOT SAYING KAYLEE IS LYING!!!!! I personally think this is all a misunderstanding born from a young inexperienced mom asking a very young child the wrong questions... and not understanding how to get the right answers... it should have been handled by a child psychologist to begin with... Kaylee NEVER said her dad was sexually abusing her.... that is just the conclusion that was made... after she had an injury.... and she was questioned by her mother..... she could have said that he touched her pee-pee, but meant that he did it when changing her diaper..... BTW... When Jeremy took her to the hospital, after complaining that her privates hurt....she NEVER told the ER Dr at the emergency room that her daddy touched her.... and that is probably why he was cleared........... NOW AS IT STANDS..... there are way too many rumors being started... and words being twisted.... and people seeking attention..... and misinformation being thrown around to manipulate and make Jeremy look even worse than they have already made him look... and that is NOT FAIR................................. BTW.... I was molested as well... and did not tell until I was 16... and that is because when I was 4-7 and that young... I did not understand what was going on...... I was too young to understand what was going on.... and Kaylee is TOO young to be able to explain the difference between a safe touch and a bad touch....................................... WHY do some of YOU FIND THAT SO HARD TO BELIEVE.?????? ... To me this sounds quite reasonable...... I am NOT saying that ANYONE IS LYING...... BUT I HAVE LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT....... THE DR'S have SAID.... "THERE IS NO PHYSICAL SIGNS OF ABUSE"... YET, Kaylee has been reported as saying that she was penetrated.. and there was bleeding... how can that BE... IF THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL SIGNS OF ABUSE?????.... and this was an exam 2 days after Kaylee said he put his pee-pee in her pee-pee... and it was bleeding.... It this was true.. the evidence would have STLL been there.. ALSO... and giving the benefit of the doubt here...... the mother could have accidently put these words in Kaylee's head...... and btw.... Children this age scream and cry at the drop of a hat.... especially when they are always in unstable households.... this does NOT mean that Jeremy is a pedophile, who is sexually abusing his daughter....
To me, Jeremy is 100% guilty. His eyes show it, his body movements show it.  when he's asked a question, he looks away, he can't even look at Dr. Phil straight in the eyes.  I am a survivor of incest by four men in the house from age 4 - 21.  I had repressed memories for years. I know the effects of what Kaylee will go through. She has a chance to recover, especially if it's stopped now and doesn't go on for years and years. I'm still trying to heal from the incest.  I do understand what you are saying. The facts point that she is being molested. it's so clear. Kaylee is not being protected and should not be around Jeremy whatsoever. I learned a very long time ago, when a child says they are being touched, they need to be believed. No one believed me, no one, and I was traumatized, terrorized, and sexually abused for years.  Both of my sisters were as well.  Like Dr. Phill said, until this is straightened out, supervised visits need to occur. I can spot a pedophile a mile away. Can you, being a survivor yourself?  Take care.  
 
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November 29, 2006, 11:45 am PST

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Quote From: rlwitham

BTW... what makes you think YOU know more than the post you were TRYING to reply to..... YOU ARE WRITING about a CASE YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT.... You might be the one who is confused.... attacking a person who is keeping an open mind... because the evidence is NOT there.... YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING..... BTW.... what is WRONG with using LOGIC????? it is a GOOD THING TO DO....
rlwitham.........Why do you feel the need to protect  this man so much? just wondering because it seems as if your attacking everyones opion. I agree that you have the right to state yours but why the need to attack others opinion? There is something weird about that. I hope that he's not guilty but we all have the right to our opinions wouldn't you agree???
 

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November 29, 2006, 11:57 am PST

I'm with you!

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my two cents is that it is all a game to the mother...I dont believe he did it...I think its all a lie...
Sadly enough, I agree with you. I think the mother and Grandmother are enjoying the national attention at this innocent little girl's expense. Why hasn't Dr. Phil or ANYONE else gotten to the bottom of the issue of the mother failing the lie detector test???? The results of that test showed that the mother coached the child. Why hasn't  a bigger issue been made of that? None of these people would win a prize but my gut feeling is that the Dad is innocent. I do not for one minute believe the claim that CPS blew them off as she said. This whole thing reeks and sadly enough, sadly beyond words, is that this sweet little girl is suffering from it all.
 
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