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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 3, 2006, 7:37 pm PST

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It seems very unusual that DCS did not remove the child from the family while they conducted an investigation.  The rejection they made to the claim is the first time I heard of something like that happening.  I initially distrust the father but understand how vegefull some women can be and will use any resource to destroy the ex. I believe DCS should take the child from both parents and enable it to settle down to a fearless time when there is not daily friction.  It will not come as a big surprise if he did something wrong and if so He deserves a very severe sentence. Looking forward to the conclusion to this matter.

CPS told us that our daughter could not tell fact from fiction and was inconsistent after a 10 min interview. When I asked what was inconsistent, they told me and It was the same thing she had been telling me all along. When I tried to argue the redirected my anger , witch they did well might I add, An cut the conversation short. No follow up, nothing. They just dropped the case. It's been one year and my child is still telling the same story. She brings it up all the time. I am hoping that some day she will forget.

So it seems so unusual, I want to know, how many cases have you sat in on?

 
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November 3, 2006, 7:40 pm PST

I can see it!

I watched this man as he sat with Dr. Phil behind closed doors. For a short time I thought to myself that maybe he is a bit slow and this is why he looks and acts suspicious and in the next minute he exposed his real self to me. When Dr. Phil asked if he would take the polygraph test and he finally said he would, he immediately installed a net he could fall in. He said that if he walked in his sleep and did anything that he guessed it would show up. That settled it for me. He has been doing unappropriate things to his daughter. He will try to say he didn't realize what he was doing or something to that effect. I am very glad Dr. Phil arranged that he would have supervised visits. I just hope they will be supervised by a third party like Dept. of family/children worker. I feel in my heart that this child is in jeopardy.

 
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November 3, 2006, 7:41 pm PST

You know I agree

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I understand that you believe the mom should be concerned and I  totally agree with you on that.  The point that I see from Dr Phil's side though, is that the mother isnt comforting her daughter in a manner that is appropriate but yet being hysterical herself about the situation in front of the child.  Though its very understandable why she would react the way she did, the mom has to remember shes the adult in the situation and maybe she should step back and look at the WHOLE situation before saying things in front of Kayli.  "I know you dont want to go" isnt appropriate, as something more like "I understand you dont want to go but this is Daddys time with you and in a few days you will have more time with mommy"  Not feeding into the trantrum by squeezing her really tight and letting her scream and "giving it just a few more minutes".  Im just trying to see things from all views before I judge. My heart is with Kayli and I hope that things get right for HER. 

The mother and grandmother I feel are deffinitly NOT doing what is right. Instead of like you said saying things like" I know you don't want to go , I don't want you to go either" Something like " You need to go spend time with daddy because you don't get to see him as much as mommy" or something like that. All they are doing is causing more problems for both themselves and the little girl. As a parent I KNOW how hard it can be to listen to your children cry out for you but you deffinitly cannot "encourage" that crying because it will only cause more stress for you and the child.

 

Honestly if it was me and I truly BELIEVED my child was being molested by the other parent I would NOT allow my child to go back. I would get a temporary change of custody from a judge. But then again Not every parent is , sorry to say this but, Sain.

 

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November 3, 2006, 7:45 pm PST

You are wrong on this one Dr. Phil

Dr, Phil,

I certainly do hope for the sake and life of this poor little girl that you find out the answer of what is happening to her. There is no doubt in my mind that SOMETHING is happening at Dad's house. Not sure if it is Dad, I wonder about step mom as well. I find it very disturbing that step mom is calling herself mommy to this child while referring to her mother with her first name- this was on the tape from Dad's house. You didn't catch that I don't think.

I have worked in the system for many yrs. I have been a foster parent for 5 yrs. Let me tell you how mistaken you are with the so called system designed to protect children. That is far from the truth!

Each child and family is in the direct hands of the worker in charge as well as the judge. Not all workers care, not all do their jobs, and many have biased opinions prior to entering into a child/familiies life.

I will tell you I have experienced first hand how a child can be neglected in the system. A child can have a worker who simply doesn't care, goes through the steps of her supervisor and the saftey of the child is never their concern.

Protective services is a JOKE! Again, it depends on the particular worker on any particular day.

When a worker goes into a home to talk to a child, knows something isn't right but can't pinpoint what it is- they simply walk away.

Kids are not protected in this world by anyone in the child protective services! Children are not listened too. Children's bruises are ignored. Foster parents are ignored. Kids are put back into or left in homes that are abusive because workers are over worked and simply don't have the time to do their jobs. Look at the fact that this little girl ended up at emergency while on a visit with her father with an injury to her vagina- how in the world could ANY worker in good conscience allow this child to be in an unsupervised situation with this father and step mother again?

I tried to help a child not go back to a life of pure hell, I called the govenor, the upper people of the agency I was a foster parent of, the lawyer of the child, the so called obudsman, the child's FIA worker, wrote a letter to the judge - nothing helped. I know for a fact this child was returned to a life of abuse. I know for a fact the agency worker did not do her job. I know for a fact the protective service worker didn't do her job and didn't even know this child's case. I know for a fact the judge made a life changing decision for this child based on the workers negligence.

Don't be so niave- protective services does not do all they can do to protect children. If they saw how this child reacted to home visits with dad they themselves would not allow these visits.

And how about the step mother? Something is happening in that home, if it isn't dad- look at step mom.

And, this child is not going to make this up. No way. She is too distraut when going with her father or step mother. Something is happening to her.

I am so glad you got the dad to agree on only supervised visits. I sure do hope you can save this child.

Notice when the step mother picked this child up there was no compassion, no warmth- this child was just as upset leaving with her as dad. Something is not right! Even though mom and Grandma hang onto the little girl when she leaves and returns- this is not made up by this child.

This makes me sick. What made me write tonight is that you Dr. Phil has to know that protective services DOES NOT stay on a case until they can be sure a child is safe.

I will be anxious to hear the results of the lie detector tests and I am so glad the mother and grandmother asked for the step mother to get a test as well. I would have like to have seen you interview both the step mother and grandmother seperately like you did Mom and Dad.

All in all I love your compassion for children. My 12 yr old reminds me when I loose my patience- Dr. Phil says- you change who I am when you yell- he stops me dead in my tracks! You love kids and it shows, I love that about you and Robin. Your boys are very lucky to have  both of you for parents! The kids you help on your show are lucky to have you as well! I wish the little boy I tried to save could have had you as well. His spirit still remains a broken piece in my families heart because no one was able to protect him from his parents. He is another statistic and I am sure will be in the news one day.

 
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November 3, 2006, 7:47 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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I feel sorry for that little girl. Both mom and grandma are manipulative and calculating and she has to hang around them most of the time!  For some odd reason they choose to gang up on the little girl's dad about child molestation, and I saw no solid ground to justify it - just a video which clearly shows mom and grandma coaxing the little girl to say certain things upon her return from visiting her father by asking her certain questions.  Why is is that in the other video it shows the dad and his little girl looking happy AND RELAXED then on the contrary, whenever she is seen with mom and grandma, she is always crying and extremely frightful?  Probably because she senses all their evilness towards her father and knows what she's gonna have to go through upon returning home!  Also, could it be that dad was just changing her diaper, and at three years old the little girl thinks it's bad because he needs to get close to her red pee-pee to clean it cause mom never does?
Explain to me how she got a torn labia while in her father's care. If you can justify that, then go you. But honestly if you saw the whole episode (which obviously you did not) then you would seet that clearly he is guilty. NO ONE LOCKS A DOOR when changing a diaper. Sorry, you seem a bit naieve.
 
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November 3, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICE

     Dr. Phil,

            I too had an incident that the CPS turned they're backs on.  A year ago, when my daughter was three years old started to display abnormal sexual behavior after being at her fathers house for his weekend visitations.  I calmly asked her if anyone was touching her privates and she said yes her older (half) brother was. I remained calm and collect and briefly talked about it with her. After she went to bed I called the police and filed a report.  We were sent to CPS for an interview and I told her to tell them what happened and her brother would be told not to do it anymore. I did not talk to her about the details she had said because I wanted her to say in her words what had happened and I didnt want to get accused of coaching her.  When we got to the office while we were still in the car and she said mommy I want you to tell them. I said honey I cant they need you to tell them.  The appointment consisted of them drawing a picture of a person and asking her if she was ever touched in her privates. She did not tell them. The detective watched the caseworker and my daughter on a live camera feed into another room. He called me into the room and said that since she did not tell the caseworker that it was happening than there was nothing that they could or would do.
As soon as we got back into the car she said "mommy did you tell them for me? I didnt want to tell them" It broke my heart.
Thankfully her dad and the half brothers mom agreed to not allow him to be around my daughter while she was visiting.
Since my daughter has not had any contact with him her sexual behavior that she had been displaying has long since disappeared. But the real scary part is that he has received no counseling for his actions. his parents will not admit that anything could have been going on, but her behavior completely speaks for it.
I'm thankful that my daughter is safe and out of harms way, but not everyone will be so lucky and I think that CPS has a job to do and that is to keep children safe.
On your show you refused to believe that CPS would turn they're back on a child, but it does happen.Pretty sad isn't it.
 
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November 3, 2006, 7:51 pm PST

shocking accusations

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I am with you on that one. If my daughter came home from her fathers house and was crying and throwing a fit like that I would comfort her also. My question is whwy is she still letting her go to her fathers if she is under the impression he is melesting her? I feel sorry for that little girl she has two confused parents that need to get it together before they ruin that childs life forever!
I agree too. If my daughter came crying to me saying those things about her dad and acting that way, I would immediately hug her comfort her and tell her that she is safe with me. Then, I would call the police. I can't believe that she is still letting her go there either. I am surprised she wasn't crying on the video when her daughter was saying "mommy, I love you", "mommy, please I don't want to go, he touches my peepee."   That would have freaked me out! Plus, he dated her when she was 14 years old and he was 21. What does that tell you right there. I feel this little girl is telling the truth. Why would he say " unless I was sleepwalking." That right there convinced me he was lying.
 
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November 3, 2006, 7:53 pm PST

This is one opinion anyway....

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I feel sorry for that little girl. Both mom and grandma are manipulative and calculating and she has to hang around them most of the time!  For some odd reason they choose to gang up on the little girl's dad about child molestation, and I saw no solid ground to justify it - just a video which clearly shows mom and grandma coaxing the little girl to say certain things upon her return from visiting her father by asking her certain questions.  Why is is that in the other video it shows the dad and his little girl looking happy AND RELAXED then on the contrary, whenever she is seen with mom and grandma, she is always crying and extremely frightful?  Probably because she senses all their evilness towards her father and knows what she's gonna have to go through upon returning home!  Also, could it be that dad was just changing her diaper, and at three years old the little girl thinks it's bad because he needs to get close to her red pee-pee to clean it cause mom never does?
This child is not going to make this up. Have you ever had to let your child go when suspecting abuse on the other end? Believe me, read the child- she tells more than the adults! Nothing is innocent at Dad's house. Step mom coaxed this child for that tape- couldn't you tell that?
 
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November 3, 2006, 7:54 pm PST

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I was very disappointed with today's show and Dr. Phils reaction to the mother and grandma.  I have been thru a similar situation where I had to protect my girl's from their Dad and they acted the same way when we had drop off and pick up.  How could he say that the mother was coaching the girl to say anything?  She picked her up out of the car and the girl was crying saying that he had touched her pee pee.  The mother hadn't done anything at all except pick up her little girl.  It is ridiculous that Dr. Phil would imply that the mother and Grandma shouldn't be patting her back and holding her when she was crying hysterically not wanting to go with the stepmom.   How is a mom supposed to do that?  How could anyone expect a mom to just drop the girl down on the ground and say "Now go".  It is obvious that something is going on and happening to that little girl.  It makes me sick that a protective mother is looked down on by Dr. Phil as someone who may be trying to manipulate the situation etc.  I didn't see any evidence of that.  And yes, people are not all perfect within the CPS system.  I had a similar reaction when my 2 year old told me and the CPS that her Dad had touched her vagina.  They came to the same conclusion that a young child didn't know how to differentiate between make believe and reality and I was chided into not trying to make waves with the Dad.  I believe that happens all the time which results in innocent children continuing to be hurt.   I hope that Dr. Phil goes on air and publicly states that he made a blanket statement that isn't accurate in that all CPS areas aren't as perfect as he believes.  I felt very frustrated by the whole show.  Will be very anxious to hear the results of the polygraph.  There is something obviously wrong with the Dad and his ability to communicate and think clearly.  The questions that Dr. Phil asked him were simple ones to answer and he sure had a hard time with it. 

 

 
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November 3, 2006, 7:55 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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I watched this man as he sat with Dr. Phil behind closed doors. For a short time I thought to myself that maybe he is a bit slow and this is why he looks and acts suspicious and in the next minute he exposed his real self to me. When Dr. Phil asked if he would take the polygraph test and he finally said he would, he immediately installed a net he could fall in. He said that if he walked in his sleep and did anything that he guessed it would show up. That settled it for me. He has been doing unappropriate things to his daughter. He will try to say he didn't realize what he was doing or something to that effect. I am very glad Dr. Phil arranged that he would have supervised visits. I just hope they will be supervised by a third party like Dept. of family/children worker. I feel in my heart that this child is in jeopardy.

I completely agree. When he said that to Dr Phil about the "sleepwalking", that pretty much answered the question of Guilty or Not Guilty in my book. He knows that he is going to fail the test so that will be his next excuse.  I feel so sad for Kaylee. How many times has she gone through this with that monster. I hope he gets locked away for a long time. I also hope that Dr Phil has more shows like this to catch more child molesters and protect our innocent children.
 
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