Message Boards

Home

Message Boards

Topic : 11/03 Shocking Accusations

Number of Replies: 1303

New Messages This Week: 0

Last Reply On:

Created on : Friday, October 27, 2006, 02:27:37 pm

Author : DrPhilBoard1

Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

Find out what happened on the show.

More November 2006 Show Boards.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

( Subscribe to this Topic )

vlinderby

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 4:51 pm PST

LOL

Quote From: cheryllynn1234

That grandma loved her granddaughter. She's trying to protect her from a pedophile! She would not have invited the father to the party if she wanted him to stay away from them. Did you even watch the same show?

Yes I did happen to watch the same show. The grandmother certainly didnt invite the father out of the pure kindness of her heart either. Sometimes in life we do things that we dont want to.....that would be perfect example. Thank you.

Read Replies to this Message

jmlpbell

User Mood
Angry

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 5:02 pm PST

confused

i am so confused how people are blaming the mother for making this child the way she is but i really don't care either because my opion taking the perspective of the abused they don't always react the same way because it all depends on what they have been told me i was told that if i said anything i would get beat and when i did tell exactly that happened so i never told again until i was 26 yrs old now my family has abandedmy other problem with this is why are the accusers was guilty not the accused i have a really big problem the only thing that i see that can be done is to take these children to a real dr. and get them the care that they need or let them talk to a third party we have all these speacilist is the world but yet noone knows but i do know from experience that yes their is rape and molestion in very many forms but everyone uses that word evidence but what everyone fails to realize that in 9 times out of ten there is no evidence and the cases we here about there is and that is the only time you here about it or they will tell you when it is a celebrity with no evidence real quick but why .why do these poor kids not matter enough to say lets do something about it kids really don't know why it is wrong or what is wrong but they know something is wrong and they blame themselves not us who is really to blameaccording to what people say everything gets blamed on mom when are men ever going to take the blame for anything us mothers always take the blame when we break up even if it was bevcause we found out he was molesting our chilodren we have made it up why but for no reason does anyone ever stop to realize that mothers have a heart of gold their are few that have problems but that is beacuse they weren't raised properly what you learn is what you do so why can't just believe what they tell us for once please we need to get together in this world and stop hurting our children do some research and watch how many people you could come across that have an opion but no experience i have experiened from both points neither time thier was EVIDENCE butr what really is evidence she we say well i wish that they do more so i could have the proof and go away so that my little girl or boy or any other little boy or girl will never get hurt again of cousre not no we just leave thes people on the streets and they know how to get around the law not to get caught and lie detectors well there are professional theifs, and ball players and thier are people who really believe what they are syaing is true so they pass a lie detector tell the same story you will believe it or has anyone ever thought that some people don't know that what they do is wrong so they can pass to but hum do they need help no well just let them go so why not let all crime go free yu hurt someone less if you would just kill them and that is going to happen to these kids if we never believe them they are going to be like me. i always thought i was nothing called a lier all of my entire life i tried killing my self numberous times as a teen then i realized 1yr ago that my mision is to pertect child in any that child perective services can not and i did with one maybe i can help with this one to please help this precious little babywho can't do it her self and do some research of abused and non abused and do some lie detector test and see what happens

Read Replies to this Message

jmlpbell

User Mood
Angry

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 5:08 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

Quote From: proudtexasgal

I have thought about posting this message for several hours...since once you post you can't take it back and have finally decided to post it.

I have been following the message boards now for the last couple of days and it is amazing to me how quick people, especially in the beginning, jumped to the conclusion the father was instantly guilty just by seeing a couple of sound clips; chosen by the show for the simple reason of getting people to watch. Furthermore, it seems to me that most thought he was guilty simply because he was a man. If it had been the other way around, a father accusing a mother of abuse, you would see completely different replies. This country has the skewed perception that fathers are instantly guilty of abuse and mothers are just little-miss-happy -homemakers who never do anything wrong. Let me tell you first hand they do. I am an over forty woman and my mother had issues when I was growing up. I went home everyday from school afraid because I never knew what kind of mood she would be in. She never hit me. I cant say the same for my brother, but even as young as six I could see the wanting-to in her eyes. Instead she was very emotional and mentally abusive. You ask why my father didnt do anything? Because even today mothers have to be proven to be something short of a murderer to lose custody, and then they just need help and counseling When I was a kid this was back in the 70s when it was completely laughable that my father would win sole custody. So instead my father stayed and did the best he could for us when he was home. OF course when he was home mom was totally different person, but dad still knew what happened when he wasnt there. In the later 70s and early 80s my mom started being away from the house more and more. Her mother was sick and she needed to be there for her. I was torn between relief and anger at being abandoned. It was never a winning situation. As far as I believe, my dad raised me and did a great job. He was loving, nurturing and patient and all without once doing anything indecent. Not all fathers are abusive. Just like not all moms are saintswhy is it so hard for people to open their eyes and realize that just because they can produce a child and become one not every woman should be one. Now that I am 41 and mom is 76 we rarely talk about my childhood. Leaving it in the past. She is different now and it wouldnt do either of us any good to bring up the when I was little you did this game. I dont know if this guy is guilty or not. Not my call to make based on 60 minutes of an edited conversation. I just think if he is innocent, nobody will ever truly believe him and his life will be ruined forever, because once the accusation has been made it will never go away.

One other thing: whoever said three-year-olds cant lie is not fully aware of childrens abilities at that age. I now work in the school system and we have a program for three-year-olds. Believe me they can lie if they think they are about to get into trouble for something. They can also be coached into acting out by a parent. For example one of our kids has a horrible separation experience every time the mother brings her because the mom drags it out. YOU have to go now. I am going to miss you baby ,, hug, hug, cling, etc. By the time mom leaves the child is a wreck. But when dad brings her, she jumps out of the truck and runs to the door happy . IT has a lot to do with how the parent deals with the child and what the child feels the parent expects/ or doesnt expect. Personally I think if the mother is coaxing this child (and at this age if they repeat it enough the child will begin to believe itjust like Santa Claus) then the mother should lose custody completely. I dont think much of the grandmother either.

Sorry this came out big type..I couldn't see where to adjust it on this site.

first of all you don't know what the children go through or their mothers before they accuse the fathers mothers are always guilty firstand i think its wrong its not a gender thing

Read Replies to this Message

mom2my3kids

User Mood
Peaceful

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 5:09 pm PST

Comment about Grandmother way off!

Come on! Because her daughter had sex at 14 and got pregnant does not make her an unfit mother. And obviously she did something right seeing as this child is still part of their family with such a young mom!

How in the world can you blame the grandmother? I can guarentee you if my son or daughter came back in such distress after visiting their father my mother would come out with all she could to protect her grandchild.

I think you are way off! Way off!

Victim so often get blamed. Look at Dad and step-mom, that is the direction I see!

Read Replies to this Message

iwondering

User Mood
Worried

Message Emote
upset

November 4, 2006, 5:42 pm PST

there is something wrong with our system

I am so frustrated. I waqs recently told by my 4 year old daughter (unsolicited) that her daddy touched her pee pee and she actually showed me what he did. Long story short, she ended up disclosing the same thing to my mom and a DCF worker that she had just met. The state attorneys office was sent a report on it and they wanted to pursue criminal charges. Unfortunately, our system does not think that a child under the age of 5 knows what they are talking about because they could not file charges without any other proof. What do they need? How could a 4 year old make up such a thing? Do they need it on video before they can do anything? I have an injunction agaisnst him for myself and my child, but what happens if the judge will not keep it in effect becasue the criminal charges have been dropped? How do I protect my child from being abused by him again>? I am so upset that our system cannot do a better job of protecting our children. It seems that the perpetrators have more rights than the child victims. What is it telling our kids.....that if they are brave enough to come forward that there is nothing that can be done to protect them? How are they supposed to have any faith in our system or for that matter, how can my child trust anyone to protect her? She has been through so much drama through this for nothing. Does anyone know anything that can help me?

Read Replies to this Message

givergirl

User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
sad

November 4, 2006, 5:50 pm PST

an example

Quote From: meikle84

How can you say both parents should be prosecuted, when the mother is doing what she is doing to protect her child?... Are any of you mothers?... Honestly I am not, but I do know that when I was born, my mom told me she promised me, no one in this world would harm me unless she is dead, and that's what mothers do! You believe your child, and you believe no one above him/her until proven otherwise! I know if i had a child who was molested, by anyone, only the Lord knows what I would do to that individual. As a parent, when you know your child is harmed, and you could not protect him... do you know what that does??? People please!!! Why was the child vaginal area bruised, after spending time with her father. Either the father is up to something or his wife is!! That's my word!!!

19 years ago, my daughter was called at work by the child care place where my grandaughter was cared for, ( Supposedly.) She was told that her daughter had a cut or slash on the vagina,

that her privates were all red,

and that it had been reported by one of their employees who was changing a diaper. My daughter called her doctor for an appointment as fast as possible, and ran to the agency to pick up the child. She didn't look at her privates at all. The doctor found nothing: the child wasn't even red. After much investigation, it turned out that the worker, a young girl, was not well

mentally, and had tried to make herself important, or noticed. This was an unbelievable trauma

on my daughter, and on the child's Dad, who was being accused.

Before you all go off blaming this or that one, let's see what happens, and hope and pray it is

being presented honestly by the participants. givergirl.

Read Replies to this Message

proudtexasgal

User Mood
Apathetic

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 6:19 pm PST

I can't beleive you said this

Quote From: cheryllynn1234

I can't believe you said this...

"Because even today mothers have to be proven to be something short of a murderer to lose custody, and then they just need help and counseling."

I lost custody of one of my children. Not only amd I far from a serial murderer, but I am a great mother that is very involved with my children and volunteers in the school. My son hates living with his dad. How did I lose custody? A very manipulative ex. My current husband was going through a custody battle at the same time and he won custody of his son. My step-son's mother is not a murderer either. I don't care for her, but I would never say she is a bad mother. The fact is, more men are getting custody these days than you think. We now have "father's rights" which is causing more and more GOOD mothers to lose custody of their children.

As far as the story goes, if you don't think he is GUILTY, then you are blind. He kept swallowing really hard. He said he was sure the lie detector would bring out the truth even if he was sleep walking, not that he is a sleepwalker. What kind of back peddling is that? What about the part where he said he has to be to work at 8? How many men lock a door when they take a toddler to the bathroom? That father is inappropriate and SICK.

What makes me the most angry about this story is the fact that CPS did NOTHING. A torn labia? Come on CPS. Someone needs to lose their job!!! Dr. Phil, how can you be so defensive with the CPS system? They FAILED this little girl.

I do not believe you can manipulate an innocent child into lying about saying her dad touched her pee-pee. My daughter's father isn't father of the year by any means. But she loved him dearly despite his flaws. There is no way this mother and grandmother have caused this little girl's behavior. The father caused it. Men like him should be castrated!

This is just another sad example of how the system is failing people!!!

I didn't say I didn't think he was guilty. I said once the accusations were made they never went away. For all I know he is, I don't know, I am not there. but I think another person was right when she said our pasts makes us biased.

Read Replies to this Message

capigirl4420

User Mood
Good

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 6:40 pm PST

I agree

Quote From: jebjcjsh

Just a couple thoughts-

1) The little girl said "THEY"! She didn't say HE! On the video she said "they touched my pee pee." Maybe it isn't just the father. Maybe it is more then 1 person.

2) The step-mother didn't want to really take the lie detector and from the upcoming info about Mondays show it says 3 of them take a lie detector. I wonder if it was the step mother who didn't?? It seemed to me she was having little Kaylee call her "mom" and having her call her real mom "Krista". I think she's evil and maybe she is involved somehow.

3) He takes way too long to answer any of Dr. Phil's questions and then he rambles on about stuff that has nothing to do with the question. Is he nervous? How could you not know if you put cake in your daughters mouth with your tongue??

4) As mentioned before, he brought up that the lie detector is not admissible in court. Hmmmm!! Why would that matter if he is innocent?

5) Why would a parent who hasn't been in the picture until age 2, go and change her diaper the first time he sees her??? Seems odd to me. On the other hand, would he molester her on the first visit??

I think something is definitely going on that shouldn't be and I think the father and step-mother are involved. I think the mother and grandmother maybe he helping a little bit with asking her over and over but I don't think they would actually have her say that. What would be their motive? They invited him back into the picture. There is just something off with the step-mom! Why did she call the cops for what seemed like no reason to me? And why would the police dept have told her to call if she had any problems? I don't think the mom and grandma would have written the show knowing that a lie detector would probably be involved. The dad took his chance that there wouldn't be one and knew that even if there was they couldn't use that against him in court. If he didn't show up he would have looked guilty anyway. He figured he would manipulate the situation. I think the step-mom is involved and figured she wouldn't be any questions about her so she went too. I don't think she figured she would have to take a lie detector since the focus is on her husband. I think the dad is guilty, but I really have my eye on the step-mom!

I agree with you, Kaylee never says "daddy "touched she says" they.".I automaticaly thought the stepmom.Then when i saw the video ..Im sorry but if one of my daughters put up that much and told her dady that she didnt want to go with him and that she didnt like him...RED LIGHT ...that little girl is terrified to be with her dad, no doubt in my mind....and the stepmom is involved.

Read Replies to this Message

girlchild75

User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
confused

November 4, 2006, 6:42 pm PST

Wht happened at the end?

I watched the first half of the show but I had to go out. What happened in the last half? I really didn't buy the dad's story? Why do you even need to shut the door to change a diaper? And what was with the tear to this little girls labia?

It really broke my heart to watch the video of the little girl saying "They touched my pee pee"!

Read Replies to this Message

garyla75

User Mood
Angry

Message Emote

November 4, 2006, 7:15 pm PST

11/03 SHOCKING ACCUSATIONS

Quote From: cheryllynn1234

If you really knew the truth and have so-called visions, then share what you think is the truth with us now.

If you are such an advocate for children, your heart should break that Kaylee has to even look at her evil dad.

There is no way he is going to fail that lie detector test if he is telling the truth and the grandmother and mother are going to pass the lie detector test if they are lying. The odds are not in favor of the test being inaccurate.

I hope I'm not on your jury either. Based on your posts, I have made my judgement.

What is the cause of your pain?

I AM SORRY BUT IF U WOULD GO READ WHAT I WROTE I DONOT BELIVE THERE IS ANY HELP OUT THERE FOR CHILDREN UNLESS U HAVE ALOT OF CASH! I HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND HOW CPS WORKS AND IT SICKENS ME ALL THE POOR CHILDREN OUT THERE NEEDING HELP ACTUALLY DIEING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB IT IS WAY WRONG SO I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOU! THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST KEPT FOLLOW UPS W/ THAT BABY GIRL INSTEAD OF UNFOUNDED! AGAIN ANOTHER CHILD THAT THEY WONT HELP ,HMMMMMMM SOUNDS LIKE AN ON GOING PROCESS. MAYBE THOSE VISIONS YOU HAVE YOU CAN USE TO HELP THE CHILDREN THAT ARE GETTING KILLED BY ABUSE AND BEING RAPED,AND MOLESTED EVERYDAY,THAT WOULD BE A BIG START. IM SORRY IT JUST SICKENS ME THAT THEY SAY THERE IS HELP WHEN THERE IS NONE FOR CHILDREN!

Read Replies to this Message

First | Prev | 64 | 65 | 66 | 67 | 68 | 69 | 70 | 71 | 72 | 73 | Next | Last

Recent Shows: Behind the Headlines | "Bring Me Back My Hot, Se... | Teen Mama Drama | Majoring in Failure? | A Father Accused: Who's T...