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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 2, 2006, 5:44 pm PST

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Will we find out in this episode the results of last week's shocking episode of accusations where one sister accused the other sister of allowing her husband to continue in his porn addiction.  Think the woman's name was Cristy.
please let us know on backstabbing sisters.
 
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November 2, 2006, 6:26 pm PST

What happened with the lie detector results

This is such a sad situation and the little girl is the one who is going to pay for the adults actions. I wanted to know what happened to this family? Did the father end up taking the lie detector test or what? If he did was he lying? I got a sick feeling from this guy. He seemed worried and anxious. I hope that we can see an updated version of this show soon.
 
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November 2, 2006, 7:54 pm PST

wow you saw the show already?

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This is such a sad situation and the little girl is the one who is going to pay for the adults actions. I wanted to know what happened to this family? Did the father end up taking the lie detector test or what? If he did was he lying? I got a sick feeling from this guy. He seemed worried and anxious. I hope that we can see an updated version of this show soon.
im still wating we wont get to see it till tomorrow morning at 10:am eastern standard time
 
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November 2, 2006, 10:16 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

 

My husband and I are care providers of our granddaughterwhile our daughter is at work.   Our granddaughter “M” is a four year old whohas consistently stated for two years that her father touches herinappropriately.  She frequently returnsfrom visitation with her father with vaginal/anal redness, bruising, swellingand open areas.  M has disclosed theabuse to 15 people, including the CPS caseworker in their county, CPSSupervisor in their county, their local Chief of Police, M’s Pediatrician, her PlayTherapist, a Social Worker who specializes in determining sexual abuse inpreschool children, the investigating State Trooper, CPS caseworker in our(grandparents) county, two Emergency Room Physicians, two Emergency RoomRegistered Nurses, a Dental Assistant and numerous family members andfriends.  Twelve people have seen theredness following visitation, including three Emergency Room physicians andthree Emergency Room nurses, Pediatrician, and family members.  The suspected abuse has been reported to CPSby the Emergency Room staff, the Play Therapist, her Pediatrician, and theSocial Worker.  A private investigatorsuggested that we have M checked by a doctor before and after visitation withthe idea that my daughter and granddaughter would be accompanied by a reliablewitness to and from the location where the exchange of M takes place.  My daughter tried to get an officer of thelaw to accompany her, but because of the necessity of crossing county linesno-one was willing or able to provide this service.  Instead she got a friend who works as a guardwith the state Department of Corrections to be the witness.  M was examined by her pediatrician for a coughand slight nasal congestion.  At thisage, the physician usually does a compete check-up which includes a visualexamination of the private area.  Thedocumentation showed a normal vaginal exam. The DOC guard accompanied M and her mother from the doctor’s office tothe drop-off location where M was delivered to her father.  Upon return from visitation 48 hours later,the DOC guard, my daughter and I picked up M and drove straight to our localhospital emergency room.  (By this time,the vaginal and/or anal redness was fairly predictable.)  M was examined and vaginal and peri-analredness was noted.  M made four separatestatements to the ER staff concerning the molestation.  When asked how the redness occurred, shestated, “I was with my Dad today and got sore.” She also stated that she goes to her Dad’s and that’s the way itis.”  She stated, “He touched me with hishand, his finger,” and “when I go to my father’s, he touches me downthere.”  The following morning a courtesyinterview was done by our county CPS.  M told the caseworker that she goes to herDad’s house and he pulls down her pants and panties and touches herpee-pee.  She also stated that hergrandma (paternal) had caught him doing it and had gotten angry with him andwhipped him.  CPS again ruled that theabuse was unsubstantiated, despite the fact that it was proven that the rednessoccurred while M was in her father’s care, custody and control.   The allegation of abuse was determinedunsubstantiated per CPS.  CPS didquestion whether it could constitute emotional neglect on my daughter’s partfor having M examined.  Prior to thesecond court hearing, statements were made by my ex-son-in-law, his attorney,and the Court that the abuse was being perpetrated by my daughter, by me (M’smaternal grandmother), by my daughter’s boyfriend, and/or by my older granddaughter’sboyfriend.  In the third hearing my ex-son-in-law’smother testified that there was no abuse, only an adverse reaction toshampoo.  During the same hearing, my ex-son-in-lawtestified that he felt that the redness was caused by M slouching in her carseat.   My daughter uses the exact makeand model of car seat in her vehicle and has never had any problem with rednessoccurring while M was strapped into the car seat.  As my daughter stated, it is an outrageousassertion that M’s car seat strap could get past a heavy winter coat, jeans,and panties to create redness, swelling and open areas to her anus andvagina.  We (my husband, my daughter andI) have contacted everyone we can think of requesting help.  CPS rules the abuse unsubstantiated.  The police and prosecutor say they cannottouch it, as CPS determines no abuse has occurred.  FBI says it is not their job.  The state Attorney General’s office says,“Report any abuse to CPS.”  The state Directorof Child Protection Services says, “Everything was handled according to policy.”  Visitation remains unsupervised.  We have a four year old who isself-destructive and has displayed three distinct personalities as a means ofcoping.  M remains in counseling toobtain coping skills.  Why can a countryas progressive as this only offer coping skills, but not stop this “allegedabuse” from being perpetrated on our preschooler?  My ex-son-in-law’s attorney reportedly statedthat he was going to use the “scorched earth policy” on our daughter, leaving herfinancially destitute.  It’sworking.  She has been forced to give upthe home, in which she raised her older children, in order to finance attorneyfees.  Our daughter (at age 40) is nowliving, for the first time since being a teenager, with us in a desperate attemptto regain control of her finances.  Herattorney has filed an appeal, but the court system has failed M three timesalready, as has the state Child Protection Services.  Someone somewhere should have a voice thatwill be acknowledged for innocent victims like M.  We are looking for help.  We’ve done everything we can think oflegally, but have been forced to face the fact that it has not beenenough.  This has been devastating to ourentire family, and a great disillusionment of American ethics.  Those in the position to enact change shoulddo so with alacrity and stop the abuse being perpetrated on our children andignored by our protective system.    

 
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November 3, 2006, 12:35 am PST

Sooo True...

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This is so true.  The courts are often uneducated about these matters, and children do become innocent victims in a game played out by abusers.  My ex was very abusive to me and was what I would call a convenience dad to our child.  When she was doing soemthing he could show off, then he was dad.  Discipline, day to day parent stuff, he had no time for.  He has effectively used the court system as another tool in his arsenal to further abuse me.  He has no clue where he ends and where our chidl begins.  he interrogates her about my life with her, all the while refusing to share even a small piece of his life with her to me.  I hear when she returns from visits that I am a lousy mother, his new spouse is goingt o be her mommy, my family is garbage.  Confusing to our chidl because even at the age of 5 she grasps the concept that she is half dadddy and half mommy.  If mommy is garbage then she must be half garbage.  She does not understand why her father can speak to me how he does when I expect respect and I give her respect.  Abusers have no concept of a child's boundaries, and unless the laws are changed this will continue to happen.


This mother is extremely lucky that her ex has not grabbed and run with PAS.  This is a hand created non-recognized syndrome, created by a man who committed suicide and who sympathized with pedophiles who also had his own divorce issues.  Huge amounts of documented research is available online and off regarding PAS and the people who support it.  Pro-PAS supporters would be running scared if they realized what PAS means to pedophiles.  It is a license for a molester to molest, an abuser to abuse and a batterer to batter.  It is not in the DSM-IV and it is not recognized by the APA as a true psychological syndrome.

 I myself was a child of sexual abuse by my own father. I am 34 yrs old now and still have nightmares of abuse. Sometimes things come to me that I didn't remember. My life has been a living hell because of this abuse. my family was torn for a very long time. Even to this day we have issues . My sister blames me for the abuse that happened to her because when I ran away from home at 14yrs old,he moved on to the next kid. The thing that angers me the most is that he had no remorse for what he had done to our lives. Not to mention the fact that all these years later I am finding out that our mother knew it was going on and didn't do anything about it. When I told police what was going on,they went to my parents and they both denied it happening.I really hope for the little girls sake that everything turns out OK. Otherwise YES ...her life will be a living hell forever.
 
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November 3, 2006, 1:53 am PST

And the Children Pay

I’m so grateful that you’re helping this family, Dr. Phil.  How I wish you could help them all!

 

I know a beautiful little girl, nearly 9 now, who has been the victim of abuse – including sexual abuse – by her father for her entire life.  The courts are so concerned with protecting his rights, hers keep getting swept aside.  It is - after all - a divorce case (as though ANY mother would stay in a marriage with a man doing THAT to their daughter).  That makes any claims of sexual abuse "suspect", and so the child pays the price.

 

Just two weeks ago there was a violent display by her father because they were late to visitation (the daughter didn’t want to go).  He knew they were running late and why – yet chose the public “neutral” site for violence.  When the Mother/daughter ran away from him, he got in his SUV and tried to run them down on the sidewalk.

 

By the time police arrived, the SUV had been moved and Dad was seated in the restaurant, drinking a glass of water.  After questioning the two adults, the father was allowed to leave.  Mom was advised she was in violation of his visitation rights and could be sued – and that was that. 

 

After much urging, she went back to the police - reviewed the notes and discovered that he “blocked her with the SUV on the sidewalk”.  He was angry because his visitation was being blocked.  It was “all her fault”.  Her statement - was nowhere to be found.  We got that amended – four days after the event – provided witness lists, and the DA is “looking into it”. 

 

What about the little girl?  She couldn’t sleep in her home for nearly a week for fear “he” would show up.  They had to stay with family and friends.  When she could finally go home again, she could only sleep with medication and all the lights had to be on.

 

When the court psychiatrist was contacted and subsequently interviewed the child, he stated he was “sick of this whole mess”.  He’d been trying to turn this man into a parent for nearly three years, and finally feels it cannot be done.  He advises that, unless the child has a desire to see her father, she doesn’t have to go to anymore visitation.  He notified the judge accordingly.

 

However, the child is fearful that if she doesn’t go to the visitation, her Father will come to their home and hurt them.  She would rather meekly go with him, and submit to the quieter sexual.  The courts have taught her, after all, that his rights are more important than hers.

 
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November 3, 2006, 2:10 am PST

Who Will Care for These?

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My husband and I are care providers of our granddaughterwhile our daughter is at work.   Our granddaughter M is a four year old whohas consistently stated for two years that her father touches herinappropriately.  She frequently returnsfrom visitation with her father with vaginal/anal redness, bruising, swellingand open areas.  M has disclosed theabuse to 15 people, including the CPS caseworker in their county, CPSSupervisor in their county, their local Chief of Police, Ms Pediatrician, her PlayTherapist, a Social Worker who specializes in determining sexual abuse inpreschool children, the investigating State Trooper, CPS caseworker in our(grandparents) county, two Emergency Room Physicians, two Emergency RoomRegistered Nurses, a Dental Assistant and numerous family members andfriends.  Twelve people have seen theredness following visitation, including three Emergency Room physicians andthree Emergency Room nurses, Pediatrician, and family members.  The suspected abuse has been reported to CPSby the Emergency Room staff, the Play Therapist, her Pediatrician, and theSocial Worker.  A private investigatorsuggested that we have M checked by a doctor before and after visitation withthe idea that my daughter and granddaughter would be accompanied by a reliablewitness to and from the location where the exchange of M takes place.  My daughter tried to get an officer of thelaw to accompany her, but because of the necessity of crossing county linesno-one was willing or able to provide this service.  Instead she got a friend who works as a guardwith the state Department of Corrections to be the witness.  M was examined by her pediatrician for a coughand slight nasal congestion.  At thisage, the physician usually does a compete check-up which includes a visualexamination of the private area.  Thedocumentation showed a normal vaginal exam. The DOC guard accompanied M and her mother from the doctors office tothe drop-off location where M was delivered to her father.  Upon return from visitation 48 hours later,the DOC guard, my daughter and I picked up M and drove straight to our localhospital emergency room.  (By this time,the vaginal and/or anal redness was fairly predictable.)  M was examined and vaginal and peri-analredness was noted.  M made four separatestatements to the ER staff concerning the molestation.  When asked how the redness occurred, shestated, I was with my Dad today and got sore. She also stated that she goes to her Dads and thats the way itis.  She stated, He touched me with hishand, his finger, and when I go to my fathers, he touches me downthere.  The following morning a courtesyinterview was done by our county CPS.  M told the caseworker that she goes to herDads house and he pulls down her pants and panties and touches herpee-pee.  She also stated that hergrandma (paternal) had caught him doing it and had gotten angry with him andwhipped him.  CPS again ruled that theabuse was unsubstantiated, despite the fact that it was proven that the rednessoccurred while M was in her fathers care, custody and control.   The allegation of abuse was determinedunsubstantiated per CPS.  CPS didquestion whether it could constitute emotional neglect on my daughters partfor having M examined.  Prior to thesecond court hearing, statements were made by my ex-son-in-law, his attorney,and the Court that the abuse was being perpetrated by my daughter, by me (Msmaternal grandmother), by my daughters boyfriend, and/or by my older granddaughtersboyfriend.  In the third hearing my ex-son-in-lawsmother testified that there was no abuse, only an adverse reaction toshampoo.  During the same hearing, my ex-son-in-lawtestified that he felt that the redness was caused by M slouching in her carseat.   My daughter uses the exact makeand model of car seat in her vehicle and has never had any problem with rednessoccurring while M was strapped into the car seat.  As my daughter stated, it is an outrageousassertion that Ms car seat strap could get past a heavy winter coat, jeans,and panties to create redness, swelling and open areas to her anus andvagina.  We (my husband, my daughter andI) have contacted everyone we can think of requesting help.  CPS rules the abuse unsubstantiated.  The police and prosecutor say they cannottouch it, as CPS determines no abuse has occurred.  FBI says it is not their job.  The state Attorney Generals office says,Report any abuse to CPS.  The state Directorof Child Protection Services says, Everything was handled according to policy.  Visitation remains unsupervised.  We have a four year old who isself-destructive and has displayed three distinct personalities as a means ofcoping.  M remains in counseling toobtain coping skills.  Why can a countryas progressive as this only offer coping skills, but not stop this allegedabuse from being perpetrated on our preschooler?  My ex-son-in-laws attorney reportedly statedthat he was going to use the scorched earth policy on our daughter, leaving herfinancially destitute.  Itsworking.  She has been forced to give upthe home, in which she raised her older children, in order to finance attorneyfees.  Our daughter (at age 40) is nowliving, for the first time since being a teenager, with us in a desperate attemptto regain control of her finances.  Herattorney has filed an appeal, but the court system has failed M three timesalready, as has the state Child Protection Services.  Someone somewhere should have a voice thatwill be acknowledged for innocent victims like M.  We are looking for help.  Weve done everything we can think oflegally, but have been forced to face the fact that it has not beenenough.  This has been devastating to ourentire family, and a great disillusionment of American ethics.  Those in the position to enact change shoulddo so with alacrity and stop the abuse being perpetrated on our children andignored by our protective system.    

It is unconscionable what is being allowed to happen to our children today.  There was a time that a child’s cry for help was heard and acted upon.  Now – the accused’s rights are of paramount importance and the child?  They get “coping skills”.

 

I have a friend with a daughter (nearly 9) and this has been going on from the beginning of that precious child’s life.  Like you, numerous reports and replies of “unsubstantiated”.  I wonder sometimes what it takes to get CPS to make a favorable ruling?  Blood?  Death?  God forbid it should come to that.  Its just NOT that hard!

 
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November 3, 2006, 2:22 am PST

CPS is Out to Lunch

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First of all, 4 year old children do masturbate, NOT necessarily because they have been sexually abused, but b/c they have come across a behavior that feels good to them.  This is normal sexualized behavior for a child this age.  They don't necessarily have to be taught this behavior.  They don't really understand what masturbation is...they just know that it feels good.  This is not to say that there is not the possibility that this child has been inappropriately touched, but based soley on this would not be enough the confirm a case of sexual abuse in MI (I don't know the laws for IN).  Also, In approximately 85% of sexual abuse cases, there is no physical evidence.

 

Also, when a child discloses "my daddy touched my pee-pee," this doesn't necessarily mean that she has been sexually abused.  A child this age speaks in literal terms.  This statement could mean, Daddy touched my pee-pee when he wiping the child, putting diaper rash cream on the child...there are lots of different possibilities.  That is why CPS does complete a full investigation b/c these are very serious allegations, get different kinds of assessments from professionals that specialize in this type of abuse.  There are certain criteria that they abide by and just because a child states this, doesn't always mean sexual abuse (although it could).  There are parents out there that do coach children in to saying these types of comments, such as in nasty custody disputes.  A child that goes through this kind of trauma, can usually talk about details about where it happened, who was there, etc....has she been able to provide any details? or does she only state, "daddy touched my pee pee?"    Just a thought that I wanted to share............... 

I understand child development too.  What I want is for someone to explain to me how CPS can say everything is just fine when a six year old girl is stating that her father bathes with her, inserts his fingers into both of her "bottom holes" while in the full bath.  After the bath, they play the "bouncing game".  Daddy lies down naked on his back.  She straddles his tummy - naked - and bounces up and down while holding onto his penis!

 

Now seriously - what do you call that?  CPS - unsubstantiated!

 
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November 3, 2006, 2:52 am PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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Jeremy is my little brother. Non-biological. He lived with my family growing up, and he and I were roommates for a while when we were grown and moved out of our parent's homes. I am always here for him, if he needs me and I can help. He and Kaylee are very special people in my life. I don't know, yet, what will surface on Dr. Phils show. I havent talked to Jeremy in several months, and I have just learned about the show. I am not going to judge Jeremy or Krista at this point. I ask that you not either, until the truth is known, if it ever can be known.

 

"Shocking Accusation" is a fitting title for this show, because the accusations are totally contrary to the Jeremy I know. He has his faults like every other person on earth, but molesting a child, particularly his own child, is not one of them. It will take a lot of solid proof to convince me otherwise.

 

To the Jeremy I know, Kaylee is the number one person in his life. There is no one else he loves more.  I have spent many an hour listening to Jeremy tell me the wonderful life he wants for his child or children. The Jeremy I know would put a gun to his head (quoting the promo clip from Dr Phils show) if he did such a horrible thing to her. I pray God gives Dr. Phil wisdom that only God can give. This situation should be handled very prayerfully. Jeremy, Krista, and Kaylee are some of God's most precious children. May Gods will be done. May Kaylee have the life that Jeremy has said he wants for her.

i would like to say to you first off dat i tink for you to ave d courage to write wat you did is great. For you to stand by your brother. For me my family are my world and id believe them until im proven otherwise. i do not have children but my partener has a 3 and a half year old. an tho im on d other side of the world to you i can say this is our world and this is happening in d world.

 

 I can say children r easily influenced wich is wat kaylee's mother could be doing but im afraid d facts r unbelievably against your brother. My boyfrds daughters knows clearly right from wrong and i can guarentee you if kaylee was being told wat to say she would have told someone at some stage dat mammy told her to say these things.

 

My boyfriends child used to cry leaving her mother but would be fine 2 mins later and vise versa leaving her father. she wouldnt stay with anyone and kick up a fuss all d time. so all kids kick up a fuss but for your niece ta clearly point out d reason why so her to be so histerical over going to your brothers dats a huge concern. and ther is not one reason of how a child could end up in hospital with d damages she had from a fall or anything in dat matter and your brother is clearly trying to hide something.

Why i say dat is his statement in which he made to dr phil....... dat he would do d lie detector BUT ad ta be back in work d next day! oh please wat a sorry excuse do you think he would be so frustrated with those accusations made against him dat he wouldnt care bout work for 1 day ta prove his innocence?????? and even further dr phil sed he would have it done in his home town... why oh why would he hesitate at first and then come out with d fact dats hes a nervous person but shoot he'l do it............  no doesnt fix with me this man like the rest of us all over the world know dat your nerves can interact with a lie detector, dat tells me dats his excuse for failing it before he even did it.

Im a very nervous person believe me my nerves get d better of me but i know if i ad to sit a lie detector for something i was wrongly accused of i would not be nervous for one reason only coz id know im innocent and id want to pass. i for one hope and pray dat your brother is innocent for your nieces sake. im clearly sickend bout the whole thing but even tho d facts clearly r ther i will say dat mental abuse is also a fact in this case and i hope her mother hasnt been influencing her but it came from somewhere i hope for kaylee dat this is sorted sooner rather dan later coz dat child is suffering and you can see it. al d best and be strong for your niece shes d innocent 1 here.

 
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November 3, 2006, 2:54 am PST

So What's A Mom to Do?

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As someone who has a little knowledge and experience concerning this subject matter (www.abuse-excuse.com/ae_vita.html), and who has appeared on Dr. Phil's show, let me say that we don't decide if these allegations are true or false by reading tarot cards or tea leaves. In fact, polygraphs, while they can be persuasive to police officers in cases of criminal interference, for the most part are legally inadmissible in court. Their results vary widely dependent upon the polygraph examiner (should be DODPI certified) and the type of test (lafayette v. axciton).

 

Children as young as 3 & 1/2 can give salient details of molestation. Children this young do have the cognitive capacity to distinguish truth from lie. In addition, children this young can be very suggestible and impressionable, and they can be easily conditioned, indoctrinated, brainwashed, poisoned and coached to say things that please their interviewer.

 

Especially, if the interview is suggestive and leading and is not conducted in a structured manner. A parent who is alienating a child from another parent, wielding that child as ammunition (e.g. in a contentious custody battle), or a professional who is not privy to sound forensic child interview techniques, could use scripting, guided imagery, stereotype induction, closed-ended questions, anatomical dolls, puppets drawings, toys, cake, or candy or other means of positive reniforcement to unilaterally cajole a child into saying things that are not true.

 

Dr. Stephen Ceci's book - Jeopardy in the Courtroom - is the seminal book in this area of child suggestibility- as he conducted scores of scientific studies to prove that young kids can be easily manipulated. The first and foremost indicator that points to a reliable and valid child outcry or disclosure of sexual abuse is a contemporaneous or spontaneous report from the alleged child victim. Any possible contaminant such as  divorce, custody battle, parental discord, therapy, et al, can influence the reliability, credibility, and validity of the child's fresh complaint.

 

 

 

So, if my child is being molested by my husband - I should stay married and accuse him?  Becausing staying with him - where he has complete access to our child - is, in the long run, better for the child?  If I leave or divorce him, then all accusations of abuse are "tainted" and we won't be believed.  Yet, who would believe that a mother would stay where she knows her child is being abused?

 

Classic no-win.  Unless you're the abuser.

 
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