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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 3, 2006, 8:25 am PST

When your the grandparent

Quote From: eileenbett

They were living with their father my daughter's (their mother) boy friend,s mother their other

Three of our grandchildren are now in protective custody in Indiana we live in Illinois. Our 3yr old granddaughter has been injured, according to the dr. that examined her, injured badly and I won't go into details about that on a chat line.  Accused is her older 1/2 sister and her father.  Her father is accused of molisting her older 1/2 sister.

grandmother.

We had no contact for a few months with the little ones only the older one and not by our choice.

 

Dr. Phill has said Grandparents have no rights and he is very correct on that one.

 

I suspected something was very very wrong but I could not prove anything nor could I get my grandchild to confide in me all she would do is cry and say she didn't want to go home.

When I would mention my gut feelings I was over reacting.

I'm just Grandma.

The older girl had spent most of the summer with either my husband and I or at her aunt's house.

I wish to God I had never sent her back I wish I could have convinced my husband and the rest of the family that something was so wrong but I couldn't.  She was home only a few days when everything went down and I didn't find out until the day after it did.

There is so much more to this that I couldn possibly wright here but be sure it affects not only these three children but it is affecting my whole family and my other grandchildren which are very close to their cousins and a son-in-law (not the father of the three in custody)  that well I won't even go there. There is so much more involved with this and we have our only help in this is just trusting in God and trying to work with the people in Indiana who are trying to do the best to help and protect our grandchildren.

 

 Please don't waste your time saying we should get a lawyer because no lawyer in Indiana or Illinois want to touch this.  We have had many people on a search for one and we have all gotten the same results they either don't handle, they won't handle, they hang up or say they will call back and never do and if called back they hang up.

We have tried even different agencies but they won't touch this after they read the full report.

We have to go it alone.

 

What's the point of my message, Grandmas, Grandpas, Aunts and Uncles if you have a gut feeling about something like this is happening in your family act on it.  You  won't be believed

but at least try.  Because even though no one will listen be sure it will come back on you for not doing anything .  I guess what I am saying is it's a catch 22

When these things happen it is not only the child that is injured but the extended family is I can't even find a word to discribe it.  All I know is I am now doing my best to hold our family together ( we have always been a close family) and safe from doing something that would distroy their own familys. 

 

I don't even know if I will even be able to watch this program but I will try if no other reason maybe I can learn something that can help my family.

When your the grandparent of these children it is much harder if not impossible to get anyone to listen to you, you are just interfearing in perantel rights.  No one would listen until our granddaughter was taken to the hospital bleeding.  Then it  was believed.  There has to be actual active physical proof reported by a doctor other wise it is just hearsay.

 

As to counceling for the children, Our grandchildrens advocate as of last monday is still trying to find a counclor that handles children of sexual abuse and has not found one.

 

Too many out there are posting like there is so much help and ways to go but when it happens to your family that's when you find out that it's all smoke and mirrors you stand alone.

 
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November 3, 2006, 8:29 am PST

why take a chance??

 my gut says the father is lying.  i could be wrong but just in case, why not have supervised visits for the rest of this child's life just for her own protection and actually, his? 

i do believe the mom and grandma are not reacting the best way.  but without help and education in this area, things can be mishandled.

i reported my brother (who has been reported numerous times by a variety of people)over a long period of time)  for sexually abusing his children.  they did nothing.    i later talked to a social worker and asked why they did nothing.  when i told her what i did and how i did it, she told me that i had tied the social workers hands because i did not do it properly.  the system is not perfect and 10 or 20 or whatever percentage will always fall through the cracks.  i hate it especially in cases like this but it is not a perfect system.

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November 3, 2006, 8:30 am PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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I for one am so tired of hearing how kids in this country are treated. kids deserve to be treated with love and respect and parents who can't do this does not deserve children, and these innocent little ones do not need to be dragged in the middle of the selfish acts of their parents. Hope whoever is lieing here gets caught........................................................................
I do too!  I was abused for the first 4 years of my life. Forced to eat my own vomit, pushed down stairs, tied to the bed and beaten, and thrown out our living room window!!  Not a damn thing happend to my biological mother. NOTHING!  They pittied her because she was Paranoid Sch. and Bi-Polar.  I am also Bi-Polar along with a few other things, but if I ever even thought about abusing one of my girls, I deserve to be thrown in jail for the rest of my life WITHOUT the possibility of parole.  This guy is sick and needs to be arrested immediately!  There should never be another opportunity for him to hurt another child again.
 
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November 3, 2006, 8:30 am PST

Kaylee

I feel sick to my stomach.  This man (if you can call him that) is SO GUILTY.  If someone asked me the questions that Dr. Phil asked him, believe me I would not have to think about the answer for one second.  And the comment about him sleepwalking, he is just trying to put something in everyone's mind so if the polygraph test comes back and he is found guilty he can just say, "Oh I must have been sleepwalking."  Notice how the wife didn't really say anything the whole show.  She knows what's going on and I am glad that she is willing to take a test also. 

 

And the mother, I can understand where she is coming from but, if my daughter came home and said, "They touched my pee-pee."  And I honestly believed that he was molesting my child, there is no way in hell he would find us.  I would go to the ends of the earth to protect my child.  She and her mother needed to fight for her.  I hope for Kaylee's sake this is resolved and she gets the help that Dr. Phil promised regardless of the outcome of the polygraph tests.

 

 

 
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November 3, 2006, 8:34 am PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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Dr. Phil is bilind to how Social Services really is.....
And I'm hoping after reading all of these posts that he will finally see the light!
 
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November 3, 2006, 8:39 am PST

Jeramy is a liar

I was so horrified by todays show.  I almost never log on to respond, but I am so upset.  I am very happy Dr. Phil asked for the supervised visits, because I think you would have to be a total idiot to believe for one second that he has not touched that child inappropriately.  That man had to think about weather he put his tongue in his daughters mouth or not. Are you kidding me?  He not only needed to think, but seemed confused as to how to respond.  He was so obviously thinking about weather he should start fessing up or if there was any hope of convincing Dr. Phil of his innocence.  He could not have come across more guilty if he did these bad things right in front of us.  My god!  All the signs are there, I am sure that the Mom and Grandmother are codling the daughter and in a sense egging her on but it seems their intent is to get the abuse on record as much as possible and that is why they are repeating it and encouraging the little girls claims.  They are hoping that the more she makes the claims the more likely it is someone will take notice and listen. That little girl is trying to say whats going on.  It's that simple in her eyes.  She may feel more comfortable saying it because of her Mom's response, but so what- the evidence supports what she claims and he defiantly comes across as GUILTY.  To me I would absolutely assume that something is happening and I know in my heart by what I observed that Dr. Phil believes in his heart that the man is Guilty.  I am positive without a Shadow of a doubt that the lie detector will prove his guilt.  Jeramey is a real creep.  He can't remember if he put his tongue in her mouth-"there might have been cake on the side of his face"-Come on!  "I don't know what I do if I sleep walk".  If you listen and watch him you can plainly see evasive responses, delays in answers, and admissions of guilt even-"if I'm guilty of anything it's of loving my daughter"-That sounds like a pedophile-  I just love children- is that so wrong?  This man is sick.  I will be watching the coming shows.  I am so angry  that more wasn't done to protect that little girl so far and that visits were allowed to continue-knowing that there was even a possibility of abuse.  If I even had an inkling that someone was hurting my child I would do everything possible -immediately to protect them. 

I hope to God this man owns up to what he's doing.  I leave you with one other thought-  How upset he became when he thought about his daughter escaping this unharmed- he knows she can't because he knows what he's doing and has done to her is wrong.  He is shameful, but he can't help or stop himself.  He had to be molested. He had to think for that long about weather he had ever known or been around someone who was molested- seriously?

 Kaylee's Mom was a child herself when he got hold of her.  Can anyone say John Michael Carr?

 
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November 3, 2006, 8:39 am PST

molestion accusations

in a previous message that i posted i am so glad that dr phil is doing a lie dectector test on all 4 ppl involved in kayle's life however i dont  doubt that CPS didnt want to be bothered with this case i lived in NY for 47 years and i have seen children that needed to be taken away and they werent and they lived in horrible conditions.now that i live in Ohio i have seen 2 mothers lose their children for not teaching them manners or for correcting them when they did something wrong and this is when i lived in the YWCA shelter area until i got a room there dayton ohio seems to take children and place them in foster care faster here when needed
 
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November 3, 2006, 8:44 am PST

shocking accusations

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I feel sick to my stomach.  This man (if you can call him that) is SO GUILTY.  If someone asked me the questions that Dr. Phil asked him, believe me I would not have to think about the answer for one second.  And the comment about him sleepwalking, he is just trying to put something in everyone's mind so if the polygraph test comes back and he is found guilty he can just say, "Oh I must have been sleepwalking."  Notice how the wife didn't really say anything the whole show.  She knows what's going on and I am glad that she is willing to take a test also. 

 

And the mother, I can understand where she is coming from but, if my daughter came home and said, "They touched my pee-pee."  And I honestly believed that he was molesting my child, there is no way in hell he would find us.  I would go to the ends of the earth to protect my child.  She and her mother needed to fight for her.  I hope for Kaylee's sake this is resolved and she gets the help that Dr. Phil promised regardless of the outcome of the polygraph tests.

 

 

i agree whole heartedly with everything u have said here  and that part about the sleepwalking got me to i picked on it immediately when i saw the highlights from mondays show i could already tell that he was lying i hope they take him away right on dr phils show and the wife too for knowing
 
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November 3, 2006, 8:50 am PST

Shocking Accusations

  I know that Kaylee's dad did touch her inappropriately, he's just trying to save his own behind so he doesn't go to prison. He is such a scum bag!   Anyone who does that to anyone, especialy his own daughter is very disturbed and disgusting. He knows he's guilty, that's why he didn't want the lie detector test. The reason he gets nervous when he takes the test is because, he knows it will prove what we all know. It will prove he is a disgusting no-good child malester who doesn't deserve to breathe air. I truly believe everything I wrote, I'm talking from experience. It happened to me once. If it wasn't for my mom I wouldn't have made it through it (and my counseling).     
 
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November 3, 2006, 8:54 am PST

have you ever just had a gut feeling?

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here is my question and frustration.  We see a small 3 year old screaming "my daddy touched my  PeePee"  The grandmother is horrified.  She vidios tapes her.  Every one is horrified.  My question is.  If they know and bellieve she is being sexually abused then why do they keep sending her back to a monster to keep on touching her?  For the life of me I dont understand this.  I know the law seems to be on the side of the abuser.  For all the reasons stated .  If it were me and my child.  I would find a way to run with her and hide her or him.  Some have actually done this.  My god we are talking about a child who cannot protect his or her self from either the abuser or those who know and allow the child to be put in harms way.  Will someone please address this.  Will Dr Phil please address this.
i have, and after watching the first part of this that gut feeling was god is about to interact with this problem,i just kope dr phils cameras are there and rolling!
 
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