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Topic : 11/03 Shocking Accusations

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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 3, 2006, 3:15 pm PST

Repeat Pedafile?

In my opinion Jeremy should be a registered sex offender for getting his 14 year old girlfriend pregnant when he was 20 plus years old. Is history repeating?  Thankful that this little girl is being protected while things are being investigated. Gee, let me think if I used my tongue with the birthday cake......

 

I don't feel good about this father one bit.

 
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November 3, 2006, 3:17 pm PST

No Lie Detector Test Needed

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  DR. PHIL, MY GOD WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR U TO SEE THAT BABY GIRL IS SCARED TO DEATH, TO GO WITH HER DAD. I POSTED YESTERDAY ABOUT THE SISTERS AND I BELIEVED HER!!!   YOU SO STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE POLICE ,CHILDRENS AID (THATS WHAT THERE CALLED IN CANADA) OR THE CROWN ATTORNEY CANNOT MAKE MISTAKES!!!????? GUESS WHAT IT DOES HAPPEN MORE TIMES THAN U THINK, I KNOW OF SO MANY CASES. IT TOOK ME 13YRS TO HAVE MY CHILDREN HEARD AND BELEIVED!!!!!

   THIS MAN HAS TO PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT SUCH IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, THAT ANYONE COULD ANSWER  WITHOUT  HESITATION!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but I don't believe their is any lie detector test needed here, I have a Granddaughter about the same age, and if she ever said, or acted the way this poor little girl did, I would do more than take someone to a room to have a "face to face", oh we would have a face to face alright, but it would be much different, and I can guarantee  there would be no more fear or terror.  If the authorities can't see a problem here then we are in bad shape, and our poor children are the ones who will pay the price.  We'll see if Dr. Phil can really find the "truth" here, but as I said No Lie Detector Test Needed!!!!!!
 
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November 3, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

Kaylee is the victim

I am so angry at this episode! 

 

12 years ago, the same thing happened to me...and to my daughter.  I went to the police and charges were never filed against the man accused of hurting my child.  Now she is 16 years old and it has finally come out that it did really happen.  The last 3 years have been hell for our family because my daughter has acted out in every way possible.  At the time of my initial accusation, I was put in jail for slapping the man who did this to my daughter, my family said I was nuts---and for what?  He got away with it and now my child is suffering.  I am disgusted with the court system in our county. 

 
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November 3, 2006, 3:18 pm PST

Child protective services

Dr. Phil,  I watched your show today about the little girl who may be subject to child molestation.  I want to respond to something you said about child protective services stepping in and investigating any accusation.  That isn't always the case, sadly.  When I knew my grandchildren were in crisis because of neglect, I was frankly told that I was a meddlesome grandmother and not to call them again.   It was my first and only call to them.  They did not even investigate to see if my accusations were founded.  Thankfully, my grandchildren were brought to me by their mother and I raised them.   I was never a meddlesome grandmother, in any way.  I loved my grandchildren and my daughter and that was the purpose of my call.  I knew they were in crisis and needed help from the right people but I was bluntly turned away.  Thank You for reading my response.  Joelene Dyer
 
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November 3, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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never never never say you know for a fact how you would react in a situation such as this. If this was someone you never thought would do this and everyone kept telling you this cannot be true, to not even talk about it and the law turned it's back on you. You never know what you would do.Never allow my child to go into an environment over a suspicion. Yuo can tell the difference between those who have had children and have been through this and those hwo havent. YOU QUESTION EVERTHING!!!!!!!!!! even your own judgement.
Where I live, if you refuse to let your child go on visitation for whatever reason, the police or sheriff come to your home and get the child and hand them over to the other parent.
 
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November 3, 2006, 3:21 pm PST

Rethink - Child Protective Services

This show was difficult and took me back 18 years.  I am the parent of a child who could be Kahlee all over again.  I didn't have a Dr. Phil and what a mess it was.  Child protective services had little or no interest.  Though they stated that the case was "founded" they could not go forth with legal proceedings because it was determined she would not be a "credible" witness due to her age and the possibility of "Fantasy or Reality".  I feel Christa's Frustration.  

 

I didn't need a court to tell me that I would not expose my child to an environment that I could not "prove" was safe.  I violated all visitation orders and refused to comply unless the court would order supervised visitation.  When I moved to another state and the father filed for custody.... thank GOD the courts of Virginia were much more investigative and their Child Protective agency did care.  They researched and determined the case was "founded with merit".  They refused the father visitation unless he agreed to court appointed supervision.  He refused and suddenly lost interest in seeing her. 

 

I am grateful for many years of counseling for myself.... understanding the craziness.  I do see certain things that suggest to me that it will have a life long affect on my children.  My oldest child made a decision that her fight in life would be for "the children".  She has a Masters degree in Social Work and is currently working as an advocate for abused children.... my affected child is in her 3rd year of college, but I do see signs of delayed social developement. 

 

Dr. Phil, just wanted you to know.... the child protective service agencies have unrealistic caseloads and often do get frustrated when we continue to pursue uncomfortable allegations.  Please pursue this until YOU are comfortable with the findings.

 
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November 3, 2006, 3:21 pm PST

"small sacrifices"....it happens every day

You would never have convinced me that my child was being molested...never convinced me that I didn't know what was going on in my own home. Home, a place that implies safety, was not a safe place for my daughter. When she told her 'story', I knew she was telling the truth. Her abuse started when she was 4 or 5, and she said that it seemed like a dream, and in that dream her oldest brother "peed" in her mouth. The age at which she told this made me know that it was out of innocence that she thought that semen was urine.

 

I did all the 'right' things....had a child psychologist see her, it was reported to CPS, and to law enforcement. I took her to be examined by a doctor. The ONLY real outrage and concern that was shown to us was from the psychologist that treated my family. The police didn't think the case was strong enough, since she was telling something that had happened years before. Why didn't she tell earlier? It wasn't safe....her brother had her convinced that if she told anyone, then he would kill me, her mother, and her baby brother.

 

I am here to tell you that the doctor that examined my daughter, a doctor who I had, as a nurse worked with and respected her, stated "this goes on all the time"....as if I were over reacting to the horrendous revelation of what had happened to my daughter right in my own home. To this day, the deeds that my daughter was victim of, have gone unpunished, and my biggest fear is that her brother, now a father and stepfather is molesting his own children.

 

Dr. Phil, I am glad that your involvement related to child sexual abuse/molestation has been a positive experience. But I know, from a very personal experience, that this is not always the case. I don't believe that it is simply not caring on agencies' parts. I think that two big factors come into play. First, caseloads are enormous. Secondly, unfortunately, in the real world, this activity is hard to document/prove. CPS does not have the resources to use on a case by case basis like you are able to do in the case on today's show.

 

THANK YOU for asking the father to for now, have supervision when spending time with his daughter. At least, pending further investigation, we can know that she is not at risk of being molested by him. I was hoping that you would at the very least do something to be sure that she is safe until the truth comes out.

 

I cannot imagine the mother/grandmother telling Kaylee to say that her peepee was hurt, etc. But if they did, God help them....because everytime a false accusation is made, it takes away from the validity of all accusers.

 

If the father has molested his dauhter, as it appears on the surface, then he deserves at least the punishment that I have wished upon my own son......God be with them all.

 
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November 3, 2006, 3:24 pm PST

CPS isn't perfect

Dr. Phil,

 

After 8 years as a child protective caseworker investigating instances of child abuse and neglect, I wish I had your faith in the system. 

 

There were many, many times when I was convinced in my heart that a child had been or was being abused but could do nothing about it because the evidence I was able to gather was inadequate.  In one particular instance, it took about 10 separate complaints to CPS and hours and hours of investigation over the course of a couple of years to get the level of evidence needed to satisfy the court that the child was being abused and needed protection.

 

Unfortunately, most child protective service departments are grossly over-worked and even if we do our very best for the children, it isn't enough.  Resources just aren't there.  CPS cannot effectively protect all children.

 
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November 3, 2006, 3:25 pm PST

I agree

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My husband and I are watching your show today 11/3/06 about the little girl possibly being molested by her father.  You said that you did not believe that Child Protective Services would drop the case.  Let me tell you, just because CPS has an official title, doesnt mean they are worth the ink.  My husbands daughter was on a weekend visit with us 3 years ago when she told us that her brother and mommy's boyfriend were touching her and making her kiss their pee pee.  Through a year and a half, of investigation  her mother defended the boyfriend, he failed the lie detecter test, all 6 kids in the house admitted to being molested, yet CPS failed to protect my husbands little girl.  It was only after the mother and boyfriend broke up, that he went on to molest another womans little girl, that anyone believed us and my husbands daughter.   Unfortunately, no one arrested this man ever, and the little girl was told to not talk about it again. 

CPS is not what you may think in some cases, start believing little girls, someone has to.

I agree with you fully here. In my case with my daughter, I was told that my child spoke too well to make an accurate determination. So because my child is advanced for her age (she's a 4yo on a 6yo level), they can't figure out what happened. Same thing happened to my soon to be sister in law. She has two children that her baby-sitter's filed for custody on(long story there), and in the middle of the battle, her little girl accused the baby-sitter's husband of touching her. The little girl had blisters inside and out and they gave my sister in law every excuse in the book for why it was like that and then while the investigation was still ongoing, a judge actually granted the baby-sitter temporary custody. My sister in law is in a position where she was duped by people she thought were her friends. She was seeing her kids regularly but when she divorced her first husband, these "friends" offered to help her with the kids until she could get settled and back on her feet. Then she found out, they filed for custody. How can any judge award custody of a child to someone who is under investigation for child abuse? What is wrong with this system?
 
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November 3, 2006, 3:26 pm PST

Light at he end of the tunnel

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I for one am so tired of hearing how kids in this country are treated. kids deserve to be treated with love and respect and parents who can't do this does not deserve children, and these innocent little ones do not need to be dragged in the middle of the selfish acts of their parents. Hope whoever is lieing here gets caught........................................................................

My husband and I have been married for 16 years and have 3 kids of our own in addition to my husband's daughter who is 17. Years ago there was no term "parental alienation" but her mother tried everything she could to do it - the court system let us down when she consistantly denied visitation- We saw her 5 or 6 times a year instead of the 2 days per week in the court order. The court did eventually appoint a parental coordinator but the coordinator quit after a month on the job- they never reappointed one and our family counselor told us we could never have a fulflilling relationship by forcing visitation through the court  -we learned lawyers only wanted billable hours- Her mother even accused our (5 year old at the time) son of sexually abusing his (then 10 year old) sister...When she was 14 her mother moved 1500 miles away to keep her from us. We had our rough years but I am proud to say we hung in there and she has recently moved in with us...She says her mother will be unhappy no matter what but she is happy now. Her mother cries and tells her she betrayed her by moving in with her Dad and begs to see her ...though at 17 she has a very busy life...There is a lesson here....good parents don't give up on their children & what comes around goes around

 
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