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Don't miss the first of a multi-part event so riveting, Dr. Phil needed three days to tell the whole story. Bonii, a desperate grandmother, sent Dr. Phil a video showing how her 3-year-old granddaughter, Kaylee, hysterically reacts when she returns from visits with her father, Jeremy. Bonii and her daughter Krista, Kaylee's mom, are accusing Jeremy of molesting Kaylee for the last year. Jeremy maintains his innocence, and says that Bonii and Krista are coaching Kaylee to say bad things about him. Both sides bring a video to prove their point. What does Dr. Phil think of the parents' actions? In a dramatic move, he calls a time-out during the middle of the show to have one-on-one conversations with each parent. Are Jeremy and Krista being honest with Dr. Phil? They agree to be put to the test. Dr. Phil vows to find out the truth, and make sure Kaylee has a safe home. Join the discussion and tell us what you think.

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November 3, 2006, 5:31 pm PST

A former attorney's article on suggestions when falsely accused

After watching the show today on allegations of child molesation against the father, it brought back painful memories of what I went through last Spring when my son's mother brought forth alledged child molestation allegations against me.  We had been going through a extremely nasty custody battle.  My son was 5 years old and we had a very close father-son relationship.  I was seeing my son 3-4 days a week for over 4 years when, all of a sudden, my son's mom and her attorney brought these rediculous alledged allegations forward in a declaration.  This was brought forth shortly after a failed attempt of reaching a 50/50 final parenting plan order in a informal settlement conference with all parties present.  All of a sudden, my son is taken away from me for over 2 months with absolutely no contact.  He was in therapy and placed on mediation.  We went to court and the Judge asked the mother about these alledged allegations and she had nothing to say about it.  My son's therapist dictated a letter that was entered into this court hearing, stating that my son said he didn't understand why his father had left him and he felt that it was his fault his father wasn't seeing him anymore.  My son stated in this letter that he wanted to "fight the judge" because his therapist had stated to him in a past therapy session that the judge is the one who makes these decisions.  The judge then gave me visitation back.  Later that day ,after our court hearing, I went and picked-up my son at his school and we spent a few hours togther.  It was very emotional for the both of us as tears fell from our eyes.  I still remember my son's eyes while we were at Chuck E Chesse just stairing onto me... like I can't believe that you are back into my life. 

 

I later received an e-mail from a co-worker, regarding an article she found on the internet that was written by a former attorney, regarding suggestions when you have been falsely accused. 

 

"False allegations of child sexual abuse against fathers are rampant in divorce and custody cases, with some attorneys claiming that 75% or more are made simply to put the accused at a disadvantage.  http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/falseacc1.php

 

I think that this article summaries my feelings regarding the legal system and attorneys when divorce and custody cases are involved.

 

A wounded father who never gave up in his custody battle.

 
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November 3, 2006, 5:32 pm PST

He seems to be really nervous eh?

Did anyone notice that he took a very long time to answer whether or not he put his tongue in his daughters mouth? This guy seems really creepy, I bet that the test will come back inconclusive and he will say it's because he is nervous....Hmmm if it were my daughter they would have to cut my arms off before I let her go, or if the cops didnt do anything or CPS  {which working in this field I can name quite a few that do not do their job of investigating the situation of abuse, to them if there is no bruises or cigerette burns then it's a domestic dispute!} I would just all of a sudden vanish, never to be heard of again! Dr. Phil did upset me about the agging the girl on thing, How is a mother supposed to feel about their child screaming that someone invaded her, she seems to be a very good mother, I would like to see if it were him if he could hand his kids over to a potential predator.
 
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November 3, 2006, 5:32 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

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Will we find out in this episode the results of last week's shocking episode of accusations where one sister accused the other sister of allowing her husband to continue in his porn addiction.  Think the woman's name was Cristy.
I believe Monday's show continues with this  topic, including the lie detector tests. I want to see this guy "sleepwalk" his way through the test.
 
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November 3, 2006, 5:33 pm PST

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I am sooo disgusted with this WHOLE subject! I feel for the mother of Kaylee, our system is extremely screwed up! I believe her when she says CPS did nothing. I've had to deal with CPS in my state and I got well there's more children than workers and IF the child can't tell them what happened they write it off. It happened to me!

 

The father of Kaylee is definately hidding something! Dr. Phil asked him simple questions and it took him how long to answer????? His eyes were constantly moving, he couldn't look Dr.Phil in the eye for more than a second! When I heard Kaylee say THEY touched my pee pee I wanted to cry. If I were the mother he wouldn't see her! The way our country handles situations like these and other matters (child abuse) is horrible. Unless you've been in a situation like this you have NO idea. The Children are the ones who suffer in the end!! I LOVE Dr.Phil, but CPS is not as helpful as he says. Maybe when he worked with them but not anymore! Has anyone considered that the "Frogman" might be a puppet or a toy????  SOmething to think about!

 
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November 3, 2006, 5:36 pm PST

Amen! Great response to the show.

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Dear Dr. Phil, 

You are one of my "most favorite people" and I respect your opinions and the advice you give to everyone....You give "concrete advice" from years of listening and helping people, sort through their own life's problems......BUT, today hit "my limit" on the reaction and reply you gave your guests, when they mentioned that CPS didn't follow through on an report of suspected abuse.  Your reply was that CPS had never failed "in all of your years" of working with them,  to investigate or ignore a alleged abuse issue, with a child  (in our our town, in Indiana, the agency we would call is  DCFS- Department of Children and Family Service). And you found what the woman said, to be very difficult to believe. Your reaction was one to quickly defend the system...."not that she was not telling the truth", but you didn't buy it.

 

I am an RN, with many years of working with families and children, and during a Home Health visit approximately 3 years ago...I felt "great concern" for a child, in an inappropriate environment.  I consider my assessment skills to be excellent, and  accept home conditions that are not "the best", dishelved, "not as clean as I would live", etc...I respect other people and those places being their homes, as long as the conditions are not a detriment to their health, or others living in the same house.  I also have always respected  being allowed to go into their homes, to supply necessary medical care as ordered by their physicians.....I am telling you all of this, so you will know that I do understand my "boundaries'.

 

The story I can never, ever forget....is when I went to a home, in which there were 2 adult siblings (brother and sister)...that were supposedly unable to leave their homes for lab work, etc. due to their "medical condition"....each being approx. 400# plus.....I had been in this home before, had known that the brother was told "not to have pornographic material out, whenever there was a child present".  When I entered, after knocking and announcing that "the nurse is here"....I went around the corner, into the living room...where the siblings usually sat....and right away something felt "very wrong".....I saw a young boy, approx. 6 years old, sitting in a large chair.  He was dressed very well, with his very clean white shirt, slacks and vest...was a darling little boy.  I looked over at the brother, and he was sitting in his BVD's  only(normal attire)  and the sister was on the couch.  She had baked brownines and the brownies were scattered around the couch, on the floor, etc.....There were often smears of feces on the bedroom walls, her sheets, etc....but I was told, "everyone knew this".....I wasn't sure the "thin brownines" were food or BM....but I looked closer, and they looked like thin, baked brownies....it was gross. 

 I said "hello" to the little boy, told him how nice he looked, etc. , while keeping a pleasant, professional demeanor and then asked him if he was "related to the" siblings?...He looked very scared and glancing over at the brother, said "no, I am just a friend"......He was very quiet, looked scared and just "out of place", totally......THAT was a huge clue to me, that something just wasn't right....I didn't want to ask questions of the siblings, as to why he was there, etc....since professionally, that not being the reason I was there....and I thought they might become defensive and suspect my concern.  IMMEDIATELY when I left the house, in my car, I called DCF and talked to the "head" of the agency, about my concerns.  Right away she said they "knew about this family, and that was probably just her son visiting"...I said "No, it is not her son.....her son is 13years old and bi-racial...and this was obviously NOT her son".......I told them "something just isn't right here"..Told them the story about the young boy's attire,  how he seemed scared, how the brother was "dressed", etc. 

I asked them if they could just please send the local police over to the house, as soon as possible, just to "check to see how things were", etc...so that the police could see for themselves, that there was a child in the home...and how the situation "just didn't look right".....It is a very small town, just North of here....and "everyone knows everyone"....I thought the  police would surely know the child and protect him immediately....or at the least, see why he was there and get him back home.  I told DCF that it just seemed to me that "some mom, had dressed her little boy up so cute, to walk to school or whereever...and he didn't make it."...I was afraid it may have been that type of scenario......He was definitely "out of place",in this home.

WELL, once again the woman at DCF said "not to worry about it", and they were sure it was nothing.   I left that small town, crying....knowing that my gut feeling, concern for this little boy was "blown off" by DCF and all they had to do was send the "friendly local police" over.  I could not go to the police myself, because that was not the "correct procedure" we were told to use, to report suspected abuse....Well, I did "go through the correct system" to report my concerns...AND MY CONCERNS WERE REJECTED!!!!  It was one of those situations that needed to be acted on immediately, to prevent anything happening to that young boy. 

When I got back to my office, I told our Social Worker about my concerns...she called DCF and they told her the same thing they told me...."not to worry"...SO, IT WAS DROPPED!!!!  Our hands were tied at that point.....

 

I will NEVER know what happened to that little boy, or if there were other children that fell under that same umbrella of abuse.....Of course, DCF doesn't share case information with the public. so I will never know if my concerns developed into bigger issues.... 

Soon after, I told my sister about this.   She is a first grade teacher, in our town....and she said she has "seen this before, where the school/teachers are concerned about a child...and it takes forever for anyone to do anything about helping"...where children living with Meth parents are returned, because there is no where else for them to go....or how the teachers can't believe that the children were allowed to go back to the families, because it happens over and over again.....

THAT is why it just "burns me up to here" when I hear you appear say and protect ALL CPS offices.....You seem surprised that someone would suggest that child protective service agencies don't do a thoroughjob.  You don't budge on "maybe it isn't a perfect system"...You just mention all the people you have worked with, over the years...that are wonderful.  Spend some time outside your circle of professional acquaintances, and see the "real world" of the thousands of cases that are overlooked, denied, etc. in towns everywhere....

 

A book, "Through the Cracks", written by Patti Bell and Debbie Schmidtnecht, tells the story of a family, in our town, who neglected and abused their children...and those children "fell through the cracks",  and died. He was a physician and she a nurse.  He was too highly respected, for "the system" to investigate any reports, etc...the reports were disregarded.   It doesn't happen every time, by everyone....but it does happen.  And I feel sure it has happened at the CPS agencies, that you are referrring to.....


This is not a perfect world, and you can't be the protector of everyone....but don't allow your knowledge or experience, to underestimate the children who have been ignored, shuffled, and even put into abusive foster care....by our goverment child protection agencies......

When I see positions posted in the newspaper for DCF Case Workers, I pray that maybe new, interested people will fill those positions...that can break the routine/ overburdened system that is already in place, in so many cities/towns.......I just know it has to be happening everywhere, not just here.....That is why It is SO discouraging to hear the allegiance and praise for CPS.  It will just make alot of people, professionals, parents, etc. feel even more like "I know they won't believe us anyway".....when it comes to reporting suspected abuse.

 

Thank you....thank you.....I just hope you will reconsider your "concrete" view...Still love ya!...but you should be a crusader to investigate and ensure, that children are protected by "our system", if you believe they truely are.

 

 

Thanks for writing of your experience as a nurse and reporting on the failure of the system Dr. Phil holds in such high esteem.  I, too, am surprised--perhaps "shocked" would be a better word--hearing  Dr. Phil jump to the defense of  all CPS workers.  Yes, some are excellent, but like any profession there are those who are good and caring, and those who are not.

 

I speak from personal experience, having watched my daughter fight much the same battle this mother and grandmother are fighting.  CPS hurt more than it helped, even calling the child, when he was 14 and filed his own complaint, a liar--and then blaming his mother instead of the person he accused of the abuse and throwing him back to the abusers.   

 

We, none of us on this side of his family ever--not once!--spoke ill of his father in his presence, and we told ourselves that if he could just hold on that he would have more adult years than those we had no control over.  However, he is 27 now and although he has cut himself off from his abusive father, he is  forever marked by the decisions made by the judicial system and CPS.  To top it off, we now have no relationship with him at all as he holds resentment toward his mother and us, his grandparents, for not rescuing him when we were powerless to do so. 

 

If Dr. Phil is going to investigate child abuse perhaps he should start with the system.  Giving them all high marks puts him way off the mark!

 

You have disappointed me, Dr. Phil.

 

 

 
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November 3, 2006, 5:36 pm PST

I'm Sorry

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No...never in a million years would I think it was okay. Even if she couldn't remember it, it's NOT OKAY! I was hoping (questioning) that maybe the healing process would be easier for this poor girl if she couldn't remember the details.

 

 

I aplolgize for misinterpreting your statements.  It's kind of a sensitive topic for me and I'm apt to jump to conclusions during discussions like this.

 

I don't know if not remembering the details would help in any way or not.  Sometimes something can be desperately wrong in your life and you have no idea why, and it often leads back to something you cannot - or will not - remember.  I'm dissociative and have gone on vacations that I have absolutely no memory of, and it's all due to childhood molestation.  I remember some of assaults, but there are so many things that I see in old pictures that make me suddenly terrified, and I have no idea why.  I feel fairly certain that something happened in the locations in the pictures, but it could have been as simple as being frightened of a spider or as malevolent as another sexual assault, I simply don't know.  It's like a cloud hanging over my life that I can't remember some of these things.  In view of my own experiences, I really can't say whether or not it would be better for her to not remember.  Either way, there's lingering pain.

 

Sorry again for my mistake!

 

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November 3, 2006, 5:36 pm PST

Re: Jermey

I do not know Jermey and I don't know if he molested his daughter or not. His demeanor was rather odd.  However this should not be used in any way against him.  He oviously is not a well--educated man nor is he articulate.  He had an odd way of speaking which could make him appear quilty to some.  Dr Phil even commeted on how long it took him to answer if he put his tongue in his daughter's mouth.  Jermey also was asked by Dr. Phil if he knew of anyone who was molested. Jermey sat there for a long time and repeated outloud to himself over and over the question.   All of this appeared to be odd behavior, yet  that is all it is for now -odd behavior. Jeremy didn't appear to be very  quick and he possess a few odd quirks in his speech and mannerism.  I hope people don't watch the show and assume from his mannerisms alone that he is quilty. 
 

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November 3, 2006, 5:37 pm PST

AMEN!

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I have been watching Dr. Phil since he began on Oprah!  I have always enjoyed listening to his reasoning and logics, and I appreciate his knowledge and what he has done with all of my heart!  However, today I was shocked to hear him say what he said about CPS or CFS or whatever your own towns call it.  In this small Oregon town, I know of so many experiences of people and families that tried to get help and were told the same thing that the mother and Grandmother were told.  I also have first hand experience in trying to turn someone in and have the CFS call the people and warn them that they had better shape up because someone has turned them in, and that they would have to be there at their home for inspections so they better clean up their act.  This has happened more than once.  In one of the cases it involved a 3 month old baby that was being mistreated.  When the child was 5 months old, the authorities took the baby away from the mother because it had broken bones in every part of its little body.  The mother had been abusing this child all of the time.  In another case, we had first hand knowledge that this mother was abusing the system - getting money from the state and food stamps and drove a brand new car and lived in a fancy apt. and received money from other sources.  She told us that CSF told her someone had turned her in for abusing the system and she would never have suspected we were the ones who did it....so confided in us about it.  There are many, many other happenings in this town.  Sure, part of it is being overworked and understaffed -- but I personally know of another very serious incident that it was totally a power trip for the CSF person.  It was reported and nothing was ever done about what this person did.  There are many "power trip" stories.  It goes on all of the time.  Just because people work for a state agency such as CSF (Children and Services to Families), doesn't mean they are the best suited for the job or make the right decisions.  Most cases I have seen in Oregon is quite the opposite! 

I really don't know what to believe, but I think I would listen to the little girl's cries.  And take her totally away from this situation until someone finds out what is going on!   If there is something going on like that with her, she doesn't need to be experiencing any more of it!

I will keep watching the Dr. Phil show, because he does get to the bottom of things and can usually read a person when others can't.  I just would feel better if I knew that he didn't feel quite so strong about an agency such as CSF or CPS -- they are human, and make mistakes all of the time.  This needs to be recognized.  They should not have the power that is bestowed upon them!

Very sincerely and with much heart for this matter!

I just would feel better if I knew that he didn't feel quite so strong about an agency such as CSF or CPS -- they are human, and make mistakes all of the time.  This needs to be recognized.  They should not have the power that is bestowed upon them!

 

I have seen the same thing played out over and over again in Texas! Dr. Phil must see the cream of the crop....and they all must put on a good show when he has his camera on them!

 

 
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November 3, 2006, 5:38 pm PST

Shocking Accusations

 Children are the most valuable treasure anyone could ever have. Sadly thousands of children are abused and molested everyday. Dr. Phil is bringing this tragedy out into the open with his current show and other shows where abuse has been an issue. I am glad that Dr. Phil has never had a DCF worker fail to follow up on allegations of abuse, unfortunately, that is not the experience everyone has had. I live in Florida and there have been far too many cases that have been overlooked. The government seems to have money for numerous issues, yet the agency designed to protect children is overworked and underfunded. In April of 2002, it was discovered that for 16 months DCF failed to do monthly home visits on Rilya Wilson. She is still missing along with hundreds of other children in DCF care. The case worker was overworked and the solution she chose was to falsify home visits.  Due to the lack of workers, caseworkers can only devote about 40 minutes time per case. That is sad! We are talking about children! Not everyone can be lucky enough to have Dr. Phil bring attention to their case. Florida seems to be one of the better states when it comes to child protection, that is a scary thought. Florida along with many other states are now seeking to have DCF departments handled by private companies. I am not so sure I agree with that idea.

We have got to start pushing for more funding and better trained workers to help our children. The best thing would be that parents would stop abusing their kids, then there would be no need for caseworkers. Until that happens, we must push for DCF workers to get the necessary funding so that no other child has to have his/her parents go on Dr. Phil saying that someone, "touched their pee-pee."

 
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November 3, 2006, 5:39 pm PST

11/03 Shocking Accusations

As a teacher of many years, CPS, at least here in California, has not earned MY respect. The kids report to me, more often than not, that after a few counseling sessions, they are returned to their homes. I have been begged by students not to report and put them through it again. And I believe it. It's the kids who don't lie, in my opinion.

As a formerly molested daughter of a seemingly very loving father, I must say that I asked various family members and teachers for help over the years and was not believed. Instead, my Mom managed to convince people that I, at age 4, was asking for it, or that out of jealousy (at age 13), I was trying to ruin her marriage. I  have a vivid memory of crying and asking not to be sent home with my father when I left the hospital at age 9 after an appendectomy. I believe the child in this matter. To heck with both parents! I only hope that Dr. Phil gets to the bottom of it and manages to save this little girl from the lifelong side effects of sexual molestation by a father and sacrifice by a mother to 'save' a marriage and her way of life. I won't miss the outcome of this show!
 
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