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Topic : 03/07 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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Created on : Friday, November 10, 2006, 09:20:25 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/15/06) Imagine discovering that your next-door neighbor owns over 200 cats. Ray and Dennis never thought their neighbor, Kristy, would let her pet collection get that big. Once friends, the three are now in a nasty and vindictive war because of the felines. Ray and Dennis say Kristy's property is one big, disgusting litter box, and they want Kristy to get rid of her cats. Kristy says she'll never part with her "cat sanctuary." Are Ray and Dennis playing dirty in order to run Kristy out of town? When is it too much, and where do you draw the line in the litter box? Then, Mike says his wife, Lori, keeps everything from used envelopes to empty food jars and medicine bottles, because she "might need it" in the future. He is ready to take desperate measures to put a stop to this. Lori says the thought of throwing her stuff out is her worst nightmare. Is Mike guilty of making nasty bribes to get his wife to change? What's really behind Lori's habit for hoarding? Tell us what you think!

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November 15, 2006, 5:25 pm PST

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Lori, bless you for having the courage to go on the show, sharing your hoarding behavior, and trying to change before it ruins your marriage.  My ex-fiance was a hoarder (notice the word "EX"), and I came from a family of hoarders who grew up during the Great Depression.  My ex-f's house was so filthy and cluttered that the last time I went in, I had to leave because the dust made me have an asthma attack.  But we weren't married yet and I wasn't stuck with him!  To those of us in the non-packrat world, it seems as if the hoarders care more about their stuff (which we see as junk) than about making a comfortable environment for us to live in.  Keeping a FEW things on hand "just in case" is fine, but excessive hoarding is irrational and self-defeating.  You wind up wasting money on duplicate things because you can't find the originals in the heap of clutter, and you force your family to live in a pigsty.  Just ask any of us who have cleaned out the houses of Depression-era relatives after they pass on, and we can tell you about that! 

 

A few things to consider:  when you have things around the house which are not being used, they are going to waste anyway...it's just that the dump is inside your house instead of at the county landfill.  IMHO, God will provide.  If you pass along those unused extra clothes, shoes, and household items to someone less fortunate who can use them, your good deed will be returned if you ever find yourself in need.  So have a little faith, get some counseling, and set yourself free from this prison of clutter!  Good luck and God bless.

 

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November 15, 2006, 5:27 pm PST

11/15 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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As long as this girl gets herself licensed as a shelter - which requires a grueling inspection by the Department of Agriculture every year, I have no problem with her.

 

She is - according to the show - getting them all vaccinated and doing the spay/neuter.  A true "cat hoarder" does not do this, and the cats become ill and inbred as a result.  I would love to help in any way I could.

 

Owning  a shelter is also a lifetime dream of mine.  It is, however, a 24/7/365 job.  I can see that she can't go jetting off to family reunions.  Who is going to feed/water/excercise/medicate/socialize/&tc her animals?  Without a STRONG network of volunteers, a shelter cannot be.

 

I AM interested in knowing WHY the county turned down her request to be a shelter. 

 

She lives on ten acres, part of which is fenced off with a cat-fence.  And yes, she DID spend that much on the fence, I have priced them and found them out of my reach.  Since cats BURY their waste in order to avoid tracking by predators, I have a hard time believing the "neighbors" who say it stinks.  I mean, my house stinks, but that is because I have litter boxes and an enclosed space. 

 

I think this is a load of hooey for people to use her animals as license to harass her, and I think the one who "may have left out a container of anti-freeze" WILL burn in hell.  It is a well known fact that animals WILL drink it and be poisoned.

 

Take the lawyer's advice, and get licensed, then you GO girl!!

I am so with you!!!  Thank you for posting this message and for supporting this woman.  After watching the show, I would like to know why her application was turned down too.  For some reason, I think those so called "neighbors" had something to do with that.  I am with you on the anti freeze too and posted a similar message. 
 
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November 15, 2006, 5:29 pm PST

Doctor Phil Show.

Doctor Is Much Phil Too When. Are you kidding me? Day Thanksgiving is next week so happy Turkey. See you tomorrow Afternoon. Sincerley Your. Russell
 
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November 15, 2006, 6:02 pm PST

Kristy and Her Cats

 

I LOVE animals and I have 6 cats.  I had 7 and she was 24 years old wehn she passed away in August.  As much as I love them, there is no way I would take anymore in.  I count them as family and I pride myself in taking care of them real good.  My Vet says I have the healthiest and oldest patients they have.  My house doesn't smell.   They are house trained and I clean the litter several times a day.  Once when we had our house catch fire we had to go to a Bed and Breakfast, they let us in.  After 6 weeks they said the "whole" family could come back.  There was no damage or smell.  Everyone that comes over to our house always say" I thought you had Cats"  (they hide when people come over).  So saying all that.   She has waaaaay to many animals and I wouldn't live by her.  I can smell it from here!.   She doesn't need all them!   She has to have a licence anyway, she was denied wasn't she??

 
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November 15, 2006, 6:03 pm PST

well i know 200 cats are alot of cats but i still love animals and people who do for them what that woman is doing<>

i have 3 dogs, no cats tho, but it wont be long ill be in the same boat this woman is in ,you see i got a problem with chipmonks  hehehehe, there so cute and they are starting to trust me, maybe a bit too much trust tho im afraid you see they have found them selves a way into the house, and i relly dont know what to do about them,and im sure as hell not going to trap them like a mouse, i dont have that in my heart to do to a chipmonk, these little bandits come in at night steal bread of all things lol, but they dont get into my cabinets or nothin, they just take what i forgit to put out of there reach, lol  i got up one morning and noticed my bread was missing i thought i was goin crazey or something till i found the empty wrapper in my den then i knew it was chip and dale  hahahahah,but relly has any one got any ideas on how to get them to move on in peace, i relly dont want no harm to come to them,ive looked on line for answers but every thing i find suggests on killing them and well thats just not a option as far as im concerned, they too have a wright to live, but if any one has a idea for me in all eyes so to speak.
 
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November 15, 2006, 6:06 pm PST

11/15 When Too Much is ... Too Much

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C'mon folks all over Ameica - enough with the animal hoarding and calling residential dumps "sanctuaries".

 

Compassion for a person who is mentally or emotionally or physically unable to recognize their compulsions to keep trash and compulsions to set themselves up as the only people on the planet who can "rescue" animals is one thing. 

 

But frankly, it gets to be a very "old" excuse when you have to live near it - smell it - wonder about insect infestation - feline leukemia or "whatever" - and other fire or health hazards.

 

This, as in all the other cases, when it was recognized should have been stopped immediately with no politically correct discussion and no legal delays while it travels through the court system.  Neighbors should be protected from this problem just as if the person was hoarding fireworks.

 

It's a recognized problem with a recognized pattern, with recognized health issues not only for human beings but for the animals, and it has a recognized outcome.  Eventually, the animals get yanked away, sometimes euthanized for various reasons, the house gets fumigated or condemned and it costs the taxpayers money to do it. 

 

This is ridiculous to keep coming up over and over again.  I remember hearing about "the cat" lady who lived near us when I was a kid decades ago.   This isn't exactly rocket science. 

 

Local governments - get your acts together.

It's very easy to have an opinion about something you know nothing about. The stories today are about symptoms of problems and not the actual problem. It 's a good thing  Dr. Phil and people like Dr. Phil who are educated are there to help deal with the true underlying problem. 

 
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November 15, 2006, 6:10 pm PST

Known Both Types of Hoarders

I used to volunteer with a cat rescue group in New York City.  There were a number of cat hoarders in the group.   The group leader actually got arrested and did jail time for two many cats (especially the dead ones that hadn't been properly disposed of) for animal abuse.  I almost got trapped myself, but I stopped at 7 when I knew I was headed for trouble.

 

The other kind of hoarder is worse in my opinion.  Both are health hazards, but the junk hoarder can get away with it.  Someone is going to notice 200 cats.  The junk hoarder is really a health hazard.  I live next door to one, and have known one previously.  I have do deal with cockroaches thanks to  my next door neighbor.  No one else in the building is particularly concerned about it.  He shows no signs of getting help or doing anything about the problem, and he DOES know its a problem.  I've tried talking to him about it ( I talked him into watching a previous Dr. Phil show), guilting him about its impact on me and the rest of the neighbors and nothing has worked.  I am really at my wits end with this one.  I really want to move out, but can't afford it.

 

Thanks, Dr. Phil, for showing the existence of this problem.  I suspect most people have never encountered it.

 
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November 15, 2006, 6:13 pm PST

A big heart?

Several people here have referred to the lady with 200 cats as having a "big heart" or that her "heart is in the right place".  Actually, I don't think her problem is that she has too big of a heart, I think her problem is that she has a bottomless pit that she can't fill so she keeps trying to fill it by acquiring more and more animals.  It doesn't have much to do with how much she loves the animals, it's more to do with trying to fill up a void she feels in her own life.

 

It';s obvious that one person could never properly care for that many animals, so like most animal collectors, she is probably in total denial over their well-being.   It's a mental illness, and one of the really tragic things about this kind of mental illness is that the sufferor rarely sees the situation for what it is, even when they end up with scores of diseased, dead and dying animals.  

 

It's very sad and tragic but there needs to be good intervention in cases like this that saves the animals from neglect and at the same time treats the collector with compassion and dignity. 

 
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November 15, 2006, 6:17 pm PST

Lori's

I, also, need to get rid of a few things around my home - but, I am a "pig collector" and noticed the cute pig statuettes that Lori has in her home.  So, Lori - if you want to "toss" them out, you can "toss" them my way. 

Seriously, I can understand extactly how Lori feels.  As my siblings and I were growing up my dad become critically ill and for several years we weren't even sure where our next meal was coming from, let alone if we had toys, etc.  So, I get very upset when someone tells me I should throw out some of my "stuff" I have stored.  There is a lot of comfort in being able to know you have "stuff".  :)

I really am a pig collector though - But, I don't have very many on display at the moment.

 
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November 15, 2006, 6:33 pm PST

Pack Ratitis

I watched the show today with chagrin. My house is just like hers. It is embarrassing and upsetting. I have CHAOS.. Can't have anyone over syndrome. That was coined by the S.L.O.B. sisters organizing company. I have a mother just like that and a father who was PigPen. Dust followed him. Mom was neater when dad wasn't around. I know it is a compulsion because I feel such incredible anxiety over getting rid of things. I am just sure I will need it or could use it. I also feel great anxiety that the world will fill up with garbage. That where will it all go? I have to laugh and say why should it all go in my house then. I hate it. There is no order to my house. I watch every show that has something on it about getting rid of things but watching the show doesn't make it clean. I really understand the anxiety about getting rid of things. I am okay if I can recycle or give it to a center for need. Aargh. I even had someone ask me if I recycled lettuce!! she was afraid to throw it away. I am a mess.. but I am also kind and loving and intelligent and accomplished. I worry because a "good Christian woman' has a lovely, orderly home. Mine is not. AAARRGGHHHH
 
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