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(Original Air Date: 11/16/06) Have you ever looked in the mirror and thought, 'If I could lose five more pounds, I'd be perfect?' Dr. Phil's first guest, Darlene, thinks that every day, even though she's 5' 3" and weighs 60 pounds. She walks 20 miles a day followed by 500 stomach crunches and 1,200 leg lifts, so she doesn't have to worry about eating. Her twin sister, Marlene, says she's tried everything to help Darlene win this 11-year battle. Could something in her past be at the root of her problem? Is it too late for Darlene to recover? Then, 22-year-old Jennifer weighs 63 pounds and has the bones of an 80-year-old. Food is such an enemy to her that it takes her up to two hours to eat as much as a tablespoon. Jennifer's parents say she needs to control everything  -- throwing out their food and telling them what they can and can't buy -- and her anorexia is affecting their marriage. They plead for help to save their daughter's life. What does Jennifer need to do to regain her health? Will these women choose to take a step in the right direction? Join the discussion.

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November 16, 2006, 1:52 pm PST

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I am shocked, to say the least, at some of these responses that I am reading. Some are saying skinny is better than fat, all heavy people should lose weight....etc....this is the problem with this society. This is what is causing all of these eating disorders!!! What are you people thinking? If you think that these ladies look healthier than the norm, YOU are the ones with the issues. These magazines that show these skinny models (which most are airbrushed), gives the impression that skin and bones are beautiful. I was really bothered by the fact that this father told these little girls they were heavy, etc.....is beyond my comprehension. Sticks and stones can break your bones but words CAN hurt you!!!!
People with eating disorders cannot help how they feel about themselves. Yes, there are people out there that think 60 lbs. is the ideal. It is THEIR reality. Your perspective is that skinny is not better than fat. However, there are other perspectives out there. You can't put people down because they have a different perspective than you. And we that are suffering from eating disorders are sick of people saying we just have issues. We are living in a horrible reality that you could not possibly understand.  
 
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November 16, 2006, 1:53 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

i sometimes wonder if my eldest has an eating disorder. she eats like a BIRD! she is compulsive about her LOOKS. she is a perfectionist. a year ago she was a size 7/8 and now can get into 3/4s. she is only 5'4" and not for sure about her weight right now. she will step on the scale but jump off and complain. she is turning 16 next week. it is something that i am watching with her and am concerned to a point. she is a very intellegent person and hopefully this is just a "stage".
 

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November 16, 2006, 1:56 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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I don't understand - 20 miles a day?  1200 leg lifts?  I wouldn't even have TIME to do this.  Do these women have nothing else in their lives?  For how long have they had nothing else to do???  I know it's psychological, and an illness, but I just don't understand where they even find time to be anorexic if that's what it entails.  For crying out loud, I don't even have time to take a shower some days, or stay in bed with the flu if I get sick. 

 

 

You said it first, you don't understand. Eating disorders CONSUME lives, they aren't like the flu.
 
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November 16, 2006, 2:12 pm PST

29 years and still recovering

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I wish that Dr. Phil would do a show with girls that are anorexic that don't look like this!  Our country needs to be more aware of this horrible disease!  I have a 23 year old daughter that has been in and out of treatment for anorexia for 4 years.  When was 1st diagnosed she was 120 lbs., and looked like a normal teenager.  She hid it very well.  She didn't look like these women or Karen Carpenter that we all think an anorexic looks like. 

 

She was a dancer.  She danced 6-8 hours a day in college.  When she wasn't dancing she was working out or running.  To make a long story short, we found out about her problem when we discovered her body was eating away at her heart for the protein it needed.  She was 19 years old and we almost lost her!!! 

 

She is a very intelligent girl, and took nutrition as a passion as early as 13 years old, we thought she just knew how to eat smart, we didn't know that the amount of calories she was consuming would not sustain her body as active as she was.  She has so brainwashed herself against food that there are almost no safe foods for her. 

 

She lost her dreams!  She was at a predominant university and they ask her leave because of her health issues.  She had dreams of being a professional dancer, and her world ended because of this disease.  It was a childhood dream, her dream is gone.  Now she is a 23 year old that doesn't know how to build a new dream.  The eating disorder is her best friend!  She basically can't remember life without it.  She is brilliant, a talented writer, very talented artist, has a natural talent with children, so much is going for her, but she can't see it. 

 

She has been in one of the best treatment centers twice for 6 month stays at a time, after this last inpatient treatment she remained in the town of the treatment center to allow to stay with her treatment team on an outpatient basis.  She is working so hard at recovery, yet only making baby steps! 

 

Dr. Phil...please let America know that these girls are everywhere!!!!  We just don't recognize them soon enough!!!!

 

She really needs to meet someone that is truely recovered, because as much as she wants it, she is not sure it is possible.

 

Moms everywhere...pay attention to what your kids are doing, and how they are really feeling! 

If you want I will talk to your daughter, I have 29 years in recovery, you never fully recover you always have it.  I think knowing that is the first step in recovery. You always have to be aware of this disease but you can overcome it

 

I have a wonderful family, a stay at home job and no scales or full length mirrors!

 

If you, or she, needs to talk, let me know....

 
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November 16, 2006, 2:21 pm PST

Special Prayers

I unfortunately missed most of the program, but I wanted to take a moment and relay my biggest prayers for these women.  God Bless Us All and may they find the courage and strength to get better.  I know God hears my prayer for them, I know his acknowledgement in my heart.  I hope to hear of happy recoveries. 

My heart ached to see them so small.  I can't begin to understand but I can only imagine it started very young.  I wish we could all realize how important and special each of us are and how important each of us are to each other. 

Share moments of kindness and acknowledgement with you family and friends but also with strangers.  Big city or small country.  I come from both and in my thirty years have learned so much.  Open hearts and minds nurture others.  We all can benefit.

 

God Bless

Ami Jo

 
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November 16, 2006, 2:29 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

 I have personally struggled with an eating disorder for 2/3 of my life. I am now 29 and started my decent at the age of 9. I was doing quite well when I became pregnant with my first daughter in 2004 and after the birth of my second in 2005 relapsed. I honestly had thought that I would never deal with this again.  I went from 140 to 104lbs in a short period of time and I am 5'4". I was very discouraged to find myself in need of help once again. I went back to see my therapist whom I have been seeing on and off for 5 years. I spent time in her partial hospitalization program and have been out for nearly 6 weeks now. I consider myself "recovered" once again. What does that really mean though? For how long? Watching todays shows, my heart was torn. I feel very much for these women and can truly sympathize with their struggles. However, I could not help feeling envious of their emaciated states. I know that is the voice of my disease talking. I guess that is why I put quotes around being recovered. I do not think the voice will ever go away and that I will have to simply continue to rationalize between the diseases thoughts and reality. For me at least I think that is as far as recovery can go. It is a matter of ackowledging what is the eating disordered voice but not acting upon it's desires for thinness any longer. I have also come to realize that my feelings of heaviness and of being overweight are not physical but emotional heaviness. Does that make sense? People with eating disorder have such a difficult time dealing with emotions and those emotions take on a physical presence because it seems so much easier to manage that way. I am writing this in hopes of letting someone out there to gain the slightest bit of insight into their daughters, mothers, wifes, or any other loved ones struggles. I continue to refer to myself as recovered and who knows, maybe someday I can be on a show such as DR Phils to show others that it is possible to get to the other side.
 
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November 16, 2006, 2:52 pm PST

What I might have done...

Like everyone else, I feel pain for these women and their families who obviously love and care for them tremendously.  I was thinking when Dr. Phil asked me what they thought of the other person how they would feel if you had a photo editor place the others head on the other's body and then showed them?  Would they recognize themselves, would it help them see how much help they needed?  Just curious but I think maybe if their face was separated from their body they might see themselves more clearly. 
 
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November 16, 2006, 3:00 pm PST

How to help

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I have a niece whom is young and anorexic.  She is in couseling and it was caught early.  But how does the family start to help this person?  What can we say to try to help her?  She knows she needs to eat and put on weight or she could possibly die, but her brain struggles with food/eating everyday.  Can you please help me, to help her?  What else can I possibly do except pray? 

Please help. 

 

I struggled struggled with an eating disorder from around 11 yrs. old until I was 19 yrs old, but I had issues with food for as long as I can remember. I was a purging anorexic. Unfortunately I did not receive any help until my condition was dire. At that time I went into a treatment facility. Although my parents only knew about my condition until I told them that I would be going to a treatment facility, I do remember what it was like. They knew for about 3 weeks before I was admitted. Some of the things that were most helpful were: talking about it with other people, writing in a journal, realizing how my life would be different without an ed and the things I lost because of my ed, confessing or writing down all of my secrets and rules, learning about nutrition ( I did not have any idea what a normal meal looked like), and talking to people that were recovered. There is also a book that has helped me to stay in recovery that book is Life Without Ed by Jenni Schaefer. It may be difficult to find, but it did help. If you want to try and understand the disorder a little better I would suggest reading the Anatomy of Anorexia by Steven Levenkorn and The Best Little Girl in the World by Steven Levenkorn. My greatest suggestion would be just try being a friend to her, because that is one of the things that helped me most. About three months before I went to treatment I began dating my current fiance Brandon, and having him and my sister as friends really helped me. Before that time I was not close with anyone because of my disorder. Talking with other people with an eating disorder also helped me in recovery, because I could finally see that I was not alone and that there were other people out there that struggled with the same things I did. One person on treatment was very helpful, because she overcame incredible odds and had a very string will to recover and live. Seeing her overcome her disorder after 30 yrs and see how positive she was about recovery made me feel like if she could recover I could too.

 

During the short time that my parents knew about my disorder they did many things that made things worse. Pushing the food and weight issues all the time make it worse. They would also say all the time we think you are pretty or beautiful just the way you are. People making comments about what I eat and how or how I looked. An eating disorder is not really about the way you look. It is about the way you deal with emotions. I overly controlled how much I ate at one time because I felt like I had no voice or opinion in my family. I was also very angry at my parents. I also used food to deal with any problem in my life I would purge two or three times when writing a paper or before a test because it made me less afraid of getting a bad grade. I would not eat all day before a party or something, because it made feel better about not being accepted or embarrassed in front of people. I was also suffering from depression for a long time. I would say the best thing to do is try and understand. Each eating disorder is different, but an eating disorder is definitely not about looks or about being pretty. Why someone develops an eating disorder is different for every person. The best thing you can do is be a friend and listen without judging. I believe recovery is possible and I hope that she will recover. I hope this helps and may God be with you.

 

 
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November 16, 2006, 3:03 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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i sometimes wonder if my eldest has an eating disorder. she eats like a BIRD! she is compulsive about her LOOKS. she is a perfectionist. a year ago she was a size 7/8 and now can get into 3/4s. she is only 5'4" and not for sure about her weight right now. she will step on the scale but jump off and complain. she is turning 16 next week. it is something that i am watching with her and am concerned to a point. she is a very intellegent person and hopefully this is just a "stage".
That sounds just like my daughter (now 17) for the last couple of years.  I would believe her when she said that she was eating, and I would watch her eat - but little did I know that when I wasn't around or looking, she was throwing it all up.  Last March, just out of a gut feeling, my husband and I looked at an eating disorder facility and decided to go upside down financially just to save her life.  What we found out while she was in treatment confirmed that she was far worse than we imagined.  I thought she was purging 3-4 times/day - WRONG - it was 8-10 times/day and she admitted that she only ate what little she did when she had to in front of us - which wasn't much because she worked every day at dinner time and was (still is) a high school student.  When she went into treatment - she wasn't thin to where you saw bones - and she wasn't below the minimum for her weight so she didn't need a feeding tube.  She would tell us that she didn't belong there because she was fat compared to them.  We, also, found out that she was drinking about 12 cups of coffee drinks of some sort each day to get rid of her water weight.  She looked healthy still, but we knew something was wrong.  We did commit to a 3 month stay and we are literally upside down financially - but for us, we knew that we knew that she would live to see this coming Christmas because she was starting to go downhill fast.  Some girls can hold on for a long time - others can start their eating disorder and they are dead within a couple months, usually due to heart failure.
 
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November 16, 2006, 3:08 pm PST

Recovery

I was hospitalized 7 times and attempted suicide before spending a month at The Renfrew Center.  While there I worked and fought.  I have mostly symptom and behavior free for 6 months.  However, after seeing the show and reading about the Center for Change and eating disorder recovery statistics I am saddened.  Everyone is measuring recovery in behavior and weight.  I am miserable, depressed, and hopeless; however, just because I'm not using eating disorder behaviors, I'm recovered and I would be considered a success story.  I did have the after treatment high, but I just don't feel any better.  Though my behaviors are different, my feelings and thoughts have not changed much.  I got real Dr. Phil.  I gave up control of the eating disorder.  I listened to therapists, doctors, family and friends.  I made the choice.  What have I gained now?  I have a life not worth living.  Now I don't look like I need any help and I will suffer alone.  Now not even my eating disorder comforts me.  Though healthy, I am still trapped inside my body.  I want to crawl out of my skin.  What more can I do now?  I just keep putting one foot in front of the other and I stick to my recovery plan.  However, I'm just standing still, I'm not moving foward.  How can I get anywhere from here?  Is there anywhere to go?  Or is this as good as it gets now?

 
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