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(Original Air Date: 11/16/06) Have you ever looked in the mirror and thought, 'If I could lose five more pounds, I'd be perfect?' Dr. Phil's first guest, Darlene, thinks that every day, even though she's 5' 3" and weighs 60 pounds. She walks 20 miles a day followed by 500 stomach crunches and 1,200 leg lifts, so she doesn't have to worry about eating. Her twin sister, Marlene, says she's tried everything to help Darlene win this 11-year battle. Could something in her past be at the root of her problem? Is it too late for Darlene to recover? Then, 22-year-old Jennifer weighs 63 pounds and has the bones of an 80-year-old. Food is such an enemy to her that it takes her up to two hours to eat as much as a tablespoon. Jennifer's parents say she needs to control everything  -- throwing out their food and telling them what they can and can't buy -- and her anorexia is affecting their marriage. They plead for help to save their daughter's life. What does Jennifer need to do to regain her health? Will these women choose to take a step in the right direction? Join the discussion.

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November 16, 2006, 3:12 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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I know that a lot of you are gonna jump on me but I couldn't even watch the show.  I have no sympathy for these women.  I am a recovering anorexic, I will never be "cured" this will stay with me for life.  I was diagnosed at age 11, almost died from galbladder surgery at 19 and I am now 40.  From what little I saw, these women are not getting the attention they crave from their familie and friends so they therefore went on Dr. Phil.  I know from personal experience that anorexia is a very personal problem.  You do what you can to hide it. 

 

I think they are just attention seekers at this point.  This is not the first show he has done on these women and they  just disgust me.  If they have the courage to go on national television to discuss it, then they have the courage to overcome it in the privacy of their own homes, with the support of their family and friends.

 

You ask "Do I think they are doing this for the attention?"  No, I think it started out legitimate, with this disease, and it IS a disease, a lifelong disease, but they did not get the attention they needed at home, so they came on to this national forum to feed a need.  What need?  Maybe attention?  I don't know.

 

All I do know is that they sicken me.  If you have the courage to stand in front of millions of viewers, then you have the courage to cure yourself.

 

Belive me I KNOW!

I do disagree with you as a blanket statement for most eating disorders.  I have almost watched my daughter die in front of me and I know that maybe in the beginning she started as a choice just to be accepted, and she had a lot of gymnastics coaches telling these already thin girls that they are fat, when they weren't.  She already had those signals in her head.  Then..how can you explain when someone has a traumatic event in their life and they truly don't feel like eating - they have no appetite - but then the depression turns from one or two days to weeks and then it is a habit that consumes you?  I can see that happening very easily.  When my daughter was going through the worse of it, I somehow stopped eating as much - not by choice, but because I wasn't that hungry.  Then when she was in treatment, I lost more weight.  In total, I lost 30 lbs, just due to stress because I had no appetite.  It took everything I possibly could do to maintain and eventually gain back the weight.  So.....be careful, speak for yourself, your life experiences are valuable to others, but it doesn't mean that is the end all for all people with this or any other additions/habits.
 
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November 16, 2006, 3:13 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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Not saying its a disease like cancer, its not cancer's purely physical, it's a disease like schizophrenia.

You say life is hard  for everyone, I agree. Imagine if there was a way to go through life without feeling the pain, a lot of people try it, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. For someone with an ED starving, exercising, binging, vomiting all numb the pain so they're addicted.

The starving feels like its about losing weight and most anorexics think that, until you relapse because you have no idea how to deal with your feelings. You're right, learning how to live with bad stuff would help most people get better, but its easier to focus on starving yourself.

Eating Disorders are like cancer in a way.  When the bus came by saying, "Do you want to be miserable and suffer for something you know is silly?  Do you want to feel suicidal?"  no one with an eating disorder said, "hey yeah, that sounds great!"  If I could trade my eating disorder for cancer, I would.  That way people don't blame it on you.  You can choose to fight and there is a specific plan to help you.  No one knows what to do with eating disorders really.  But at least my mind would not be affected.  I could handle this if I didn't have to think about it all the time and if it were just my body that was the problem.
 
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November 16, 2006, 3:22 pm PST

Suffering for life

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 I have personally struggled with an eating disorder for 2/3 of my life. I am now 29 and started my decent at the age of 9. I was doing quite well when I became pregnant with my first daughter in 2004 and after the birth of my second in 2005 relapsed. I honestly had thought that I would never deal with this again.  I went from 140 to 104lbs in a short period of time and I am 5'4". I was very discouraged to find myself in need of help once again. I went back to see my therapist whom I have been seeing on and off for 5 years. I spent time in her partial hospitalization program and have been out for nearly 6 weeks now. I consider myself "recovered" once again. What does that really mean though? For how long? Watching todays shows, my heart was torn. I feel very much for these women and can truly sympathize with their struggles. However, I could not help feeling envious of their emaciated states. I know that is the voice of my disease talking. I guess that is why I put quotes around being recovered. I do not think the voice will ever go away and that I will have to simply continue to rationalize between the diseases thoughts and reality. For me at least I think that is as far as recovery can go. It is a matter of ackowledging what is the eating disordered voice but not acting upon it's desires for thinness any longer. I have also come to realize that my feelings of heaviness and of being overweight are not physical but emotional heaviness. Does that make sense? People with eating disorder have such a difficult time dealing with emotions and those emotions take on a physical presence because it seems so much easier to manage that way. I am writing this in hopes of letting someone out there to gain the slightest bit of insight into their daughters, mothers, wifes, or any other loved ones struggles. I continue to refer to myself as recovered and who knows, maybe someday I can be on a show such as DR Phils to show others that it is possible to get to the other side.
I too suffer with an eating disorder that I also call a  "disease" becase it is something I have to manage EVERY day.  Given the emotional nature of the disease I did not feel Dr. Phil's critical "logic" approach was appropriate.

I once saw a special on a clinic in Canada where the founder truly GOT IT... the REAL issues. I bawled as I saw her gently and empathetically helping vicitms deal with the histories that led them to their controling choices. Amazingly, the y left her clinic HEALTHY.

Dr. Phil...you really missed on this one. Your popular manner isn't always best. An anorexic will only think of your attempt at control and will work even harder to counter it...
 
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November 16, 2006, 3:35 pm PST

I'm sorry for your daughter

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I do disagree with you as a blanket statement for most eating disorders.  I have almost watched my daughter die in front of me and I know that maybe in the beginning she started as a choice just to be accepted, and she had a lot of gymnastics coaches telling these already thin girls that they are fat, when they weren't.  She already had those signals in her head.  Then..how can you explain when someone has a traumatic event in their life and they truly don't feel like eating - they have no appetite - but then the depression turns from one or two days to weeks and then it is a habit that consumes you?  I can see that happening very easily.  When my daughter was going through the worse of it, I somehow stopped eating as much - not by choice, but because I wasn't that hungry.  Then when she was in treatment, I lost more weight.  In total, I lost 30 lbs, just due to stress because I had no appetite.  It took everything I possibly could do to maintain and eventually gain back the weight.  So.....be careful, speak for yourself, your life experiences are valuable to others, but it doesn't mean that is the end all for all people with this or any other additions/habits.

My point is what put those signals in her head?  The teachers sure didn't help your daughter, she may have to live with this the rest of her life. 

 

Not eating from depression is different from anorexia though.  I understand that too, but anorexia is not the same. 

 

You both have my sympathies and my prayers.

 
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November 16, 2006, 3:47 pm PST

May God Bless us all

Well, it's been nice chatting with you all but I'm going to spend time with my family.

 

For those of you who are suffering or have family members both male and female afflicted with this disease, may God Bless you all.

 

For those of you who don't understand, may God Bless you too.

 

Much love,

dearcomet

 

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November 16, 2006, 3:49 pm PST

Thinking of you

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As weird as it seems, I have a good idea of what these ladies are going through.  I never thought I would have a middle-aged eating disorder until my life started falling apart.  Last year I weighed about 135# at 5'6", now I'm down to 90-95#.  I don't really have anorexia, I get really hungry but just can't seem to let myself eat.  I look in the mirror and I know I look terrible but it still doesn't make any difference.  I can't find any pants that fit, which is totally frustrating but that doesn't help either.  I think it's just because my life is spinning out of controll - my husband took a job that requires him to travel 40+ weeks a year,  my daugter moved away, my mother and mother-in-law are both dying of cancer and both live very close to me.  My best friend died of cancer and my siblings live in distant states.  My whole support system has vanished out from under me.  I also have multiple sclerosis which plagues me on a daily basis and over the last few months I've acquired a stalker who has caused multiple small problems but I've also had 2 dog poisonings, at least 4 death threats and been stabbed once.  The police department has been totally uninterested so we are thinking about leaving the city where we were both born and raised.  So, the only thing I feel that I have any controll over is my own weight.  It's amazing how something can start as "losing a few pounds" and turn into a runaway train.  i will be watching the show with great interest to see what Dr. Phil can suggest.  I really want to get my life back on track and I need some help from somewhere before this goes to far.   Jeanne

Hi Jeanne,

 

Thanks for sharing your story.......to me it does not seem weird that you understand what these women are going through. I can relate to what you are saying. About 5 years ago, I was ill (doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong) and due to this and the stress of my work situation, I developed firstly depression and then anorexia. It started with the stress causing decreased appetite and then was quickly followed by the ED (particularly anorexic) thoughts and behaviours. Two things I want you to realise is that......"anorectics" do get really hungry..... and .....one of the biggest triggers for anorexia is stress (which you seem to have more than your fair share of).  And you are using food/eating to try and alleviate/control the stress in your life..... that is an eating disorder.

So please don't dismiss your symptoms and say " I don't really have anorexia", please go to your doctor and get diagnosed (for whatever ED you do have), and I wish you all the best in fighting this.

 BTW, I am now in recovery at a healthy weight with alot less stress in my life :)

 
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November 16, 2006, 3:51 pm PST

What give them the right to self destruct?

I do not feel sorry for these women.  It is a choice without a doubt.  My sister was anorexic and now she is dead.  She was alway a perfectionist and over achiever.   She was beautiful, extremely intelligent and very talented.  I idolized her growing up, and our parent's adored her.  She was very happy and well adjusted until the year that I announced my engagement.  Suddenly she stopped eating.  She was my maid of honor, and on the day of my wedding she weighed only 80 lbs. and was too weak to stand.  As soon as the ceremony was over she had to be rushed to the hospital because she collapsed while we were taking pictures.  She later admitted that she had spun out of control because in her mind I had achieved something that she had been unable to do.    After months and months of treatment in an inpatient facility and many thousands of dollars she recovered.  She was realeased to my parents and moved back into their home and was by all appearences doing very well.   Two years later I announced that I was pregnant.  She feigned excitement and began cutting herself with razors.  This was very traumatic for my parents and myself and we focused almost entirely on her and her behavior for the duration of my pregnancy.  .After my son was born she began telling me that our pastor, family doctor, and other respected men in our community were involved in satanic rituals  where babies were being ceremonially sacrificed.  She said that she had been forced to participate in the rituals against her will.  Of course I knew that she had concocted the story to frighten me.  I told my mother who said, "Oh you know she reads all of those Steven King novels, I am sure she was just relaying a plot to you, not actually presenting the events as fact."   

 

Our parents traveled abroad for business purposes.  Each time they would leave the country my sister would create some sort of crisis that would require me to rush to her aid.  These were also intended to make Mom and Dad feel guilty for leaving her.  On the very day that my husband walked out on me for another woman, my sister's therapist called me saying that she had baracaded herself in my parents home and was threatening suicide.  So in the middle of the night I took may baby and drove three and a half hours to her rescue.

 

The day before I married my second husband she missed her flight from New York and had to stay overnight.  She reported that she had been attacked in the airport and returned to her friends's home to recover from the trauma of the event.  Although an investigation was conducted there was never any evidence of an assault.    Eventually life went on and she recovered.  Then I decided to go back to school to earn my degree.  As soon as my mother told her this she began to drink excessively and she then became and alcoholic.  Eventually she recovered from that and our mom became the focus of our attention because she had liver cancer.  My sister chose that time to move out of the house and announce that she had "suddenly become a lesbian and no longer wanted to have anything to do with those of us who were heterosexual."  She witheld herself from my mother in the last few months of her life and my mom suffered in anguish over her absence.  She and her "significant other"  came to visit only the night before mother died and when I left them alone in our mother's room they stole her credit cards from her purse, and quickly left.  After our mother passed away they began preying on our father who was in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.  She would have him constantly in a panic by lying to him.  She told him that she was dying of a brain tumor, that she had been suddenly stricken blind, had been raped, or that she was broke and starving to death.  My dad believed her and would write checks to help her, forgetting that he had already given her money earlier in the day.  She stole a fortune from him, literally, and used the money to buy expensive cars,  jewelry, and to travel the world.  She made his last days miserable as well. 

 

In November of 2000 Beth died.  She was found dead in my parent's home by a friend.  An autopsy and toxocology screening were performed and the results were inconclusive.  The police did find many different medications in the house that were prescribed to herself and three or four other names that she had created in order to get medication.

 

Although I did love my sister, I hate her memory now.  She ruined the last few years of my parent's lives, and her loss has caused me to withdraw from my own life for the past six years.  I am so angry with her for all that she did.  She had so much love from our family and so much potential and she wasted it all.  I never understood her insatiable need for attention and crisis.  I don't know how she was able to do the things she did. I am at a loss now wondering if I ever really knew her and I don't know now if she ever loved any of us.  I am so angry about this that if you were to go to the cemetary today you would not be able to find her grave because I have not placed a marker on it.   

 

These women are controlling, selfish and manipulative.  Parent's who live in denial are not helping their daughters at all.

 
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November 16, 2006, 3:53 pm PST

What I think

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please, someone explain to me how u can look in the mirror at bones and see fat?  are these confused people simply delusional?  from lack of nutrients? here is my big question....why was this never a "problem" 40 or 50 yrs ago?????

Eating disorders were definitely a problem 40 or 50 years ago. I remember reading that the first reported case was sometime in the mid 1800's. It seems like they have not been a problem because eating disorders have only received media coverage just recently due to people finally speaking out and sharing their stories. Eating disorders have also become more prevalent in the past ten to twenty years, and the numbers are growing all the time. Another reason why eating disorders may seem to be more of a problem now is because before I know before the 70's ( but I think it could actually be not until around 1980) eating disorders were considered untreatable. Any patient who had an eating disorder was considered a lost cause.

 

The reason that a person with anorexia can see themselves as fat and be thin is due to another disorder called body dysmorphic disorder. Almost every person with anorexia has this disorder as well. Body dysmorphic disorders is what distorts what the person actually looks like and what the person thinks they look like. A college professor once explained it to me like this: If you ask a person with anorexia to guess about how much space will be between the door frame and the person as they pass through the door, the person with anorexia's guess will always be way off. A person without the disorder will make a fairly accurate guess. I have one other example that may help explain I was anorexic for about nine years and I have been in recovery for about two years, and when my boyfriend asks me to guess the size of his hand my answer is always about 4 inches off while he can guess the size of my hand within about a centimeter. Basically the disorder distorts the way you perceive space.

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:01 pm PST

Good Luck!

I just want to wish these women good luck on their recovery!  My Aunt who is in her early 60s just got treatment for her anorexia that she has been fighting for many many years and she is on the road to recovery.  We are all very proud of her.  It is possible!
 
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November 16, 2006, 4:08 pm PST

Thank you Dr. Phil

Thank you for showing the world that anorexia is about CONTROL, not food.  I am anorexic and I have major control issues.  Today things did not go the way I had planned them to go and my first reaction was to restrict my food in-take.  That would have allowed me to have some power over the situation.  But, since I'm in behavorial therapy, I kept eating according to my meal plan---even though every fiber of my being was screaming "NO FOOD!"  I have made the VERY difficult decision to make the commitment to following what my therapist, psychiatrist, and dietician are all telling me to do.  It's hard.  It's a struggle every day.  I'm trying not to panic about Thanksgiving...I stupidly said that me and my husband would host the family dinner.  All eyes will be on me and my plate, but I realize that it's my family's way of expressing their concern.  I will make the effort to release some of my control.  I will eat the turkey and other goodies and I will enjoy them.  Most importantly I will enjoy the company of my family.  Their love and support are helping me recover from this disasterous disorder.
 
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