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(Original Air Date: 11/16/06) Have you ever looked in the mirror and thought, 'If I could lose five more pounds, I'd be perfect?' Dr. Phil's first guest, Darlene, thinks that every day, even though she's 5' 3" and weighs 60 pounds. She walks 20 miles a day followed by 500 stomach crunches and 1,200 leg lifts, so she doesn't have to worry about eating. Her twin sister, Marlene, says she's tried everything to help Darlene win this 11-year battle. Could something in her past be at the root of her problem? Is it too late for Darlene to recover? Then, 22-year-old Jennifer weighs 63 pounds and has the bones of an 80-year-old. Food is such an enemy to her that it takes her up to two hours to eat as much as a tablespoon. Jennifer's parents say she needs to control everything  -- throwing out their food and telling them what they can and can't buy -- and her anorexia is affecting their marriage. They plead for help to save their daughter's life. What does Jennifer need to do to regain her health? Will these women choose to take a step in the right direction? Join the discussion.

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November 16, 2006, 4:11 pm PST

Recently discharged from center for change

Six days ago I was discharged from the Center For Change.

I cannot tell you all that I am recoverd for recovery starts now that I am at home.  I have conqured hills but I still have mountains to climb.  Center For Change is an amazing facility and yes one of the best in the country I am indebted to them forever, they gave me my life back.  To those of you who are currently struggling you can relate with these women on some level and maybe your not 'as bad' as them but it all starts somwhere.  I guess I encourage you to tell someone.  I know it doesnt sound easy and you have probably already forgotten about the idea but if you are willing to start somewhere start with who you are on the inside.  Find you passions and live them, find out who you are behind your eating disorder, develope this person and you will come to love them. Let go of the fear, it is what is holding you down.

To the families of those suffering:

I cannot tell you the right words which will flip the switch and turn this all around.  I cant because there is no 'anti anarexia' switch. All I really know is that your loved one is angry, lost, and absolutly terrified of the world around them.  The best reaction that helped me was that of compassion and tough love all at the same time.  Never give up, but always remember YOU CANT WANT IT FOR THEM. they need to want it for themselves or they will never get better.

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:13 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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My point is what put those signals in her head?  The teachers sure didn't help your daughter, she may have to live with this the rest of her life. 

 

Not eating from depression is different from anorexia though.  I understand that too, but anorexia is not the same. 

 

You both have my sympathies and my prayers.

Actually, depression from a traumatic event CAN and OFTEN DOES result in anorexia.  The founder of the treament center where my daughter went to went into anorexia at the age of 10!!!!  Her best friend died in a car accident after just leaving her at the park.  The depression and guilt that little girl had DID send her into a depression that resulted in anorexia.    My point was that sometimes other events in ones life springboard into other illnesses - for some it is an eating disorder, some it is alcohol, some it is drugs etc etc.

 

My daughter is at a point now that she understands what has happened and she is trying to learn how to cope with life when certain things come up.  Her eating disorder appeared because she didn't know how to cope - she was the perfectionist and peace maker of the family.  She doesn't want to have this eating disorder forever, and recently she slipped up - because of moving and the stress and she didn't know how to cope.  Sometimes it is alot easier to do what you have already learned how to do to cope with situations even when you know it is wrong.  It is alot of energy to turn the tide, even when you are taught how to do it.

 

For my daughter - it may be a struggle every day of her life.  Some days are better than others right now - 6 months out of treatment.  It is probably easier now than later because she has her therapy appts 2Xs week and dietitian appts all the time.  Because of her slip up she was referred to a support group for additional support around her for now.  She won't always have all of this, but hopefully in time she will begin to re-learn new coping skills.

 

When we went to Family week at the facility my daughter was at, we were grouped with others and we inimately knew each others stories - and since then, I have purposed to find others that are going through the same.  Having been through this for almost 30 years, you probably know that each story is different but has some similarities.  I did watch the show with my daughter, she verified certain things that they have said that show that they are truly in this illness.  The saddest part wasn't only for the ladies themselves, but the families that deal with it in a real way. 

 

Because of this experience, I have chosen to turn this circumstance of our lives into good.  I will be looking into ways on how to get insurance companies to pay for Eating Disorders, like the HIPAA act of 1996 stated in the Mental Parity Act, which is still in effect.  It states that eating disorders need to be paid at the same rate as a physical illness (with some policy exceptions).  I want to see people get the help they need - whatever that looks like.  Health insurance is one main reason people don't get the help they need.

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:23 pm PST

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I do not feel sorry for these women.  It is a choice without a doubt.  My sister was anorexic and now she is dead.  She was alway a perfectionist and over achiever.   She was beautiful, extremely intelligent and very talented.  I idolized her growing up, and our parent's adored her.  She was very happy and well adjusted until the year that I announced my engagement.  Suddenly she stopped eating.  She was my maid of honor, and on the day of my wedding she weighed only 80 lbs. and was too weak to stand.  As soon as the ceremony was over she had to be rushed to the hospital because she collapsed while we were taking pictures.  She later admitted that she had spun out of control because in her mind I had achieved something that she had been unable to do.    After months and months of treatment in an inpatient facility and many thousands of dollars she recovered.  She was realeased to my parents and moved back into their home and was by all appearences doing very well.   Two years later I announced that I was pregnant.  She feigned excitement and began cutting herself with razors.  This was very traumatic for my parents and myself and we focused almost entirely on her and her behavior for the duration of my pregnancy.  .After my son was born she began telling me that our pastor, family doctor, and other respected men in our community were involved in satanic rituals  where babies were being ceremonially sacrificed.  She said that she had been forced to participate in the rituals against her will.  Of course I knew that she had concocted the story to frighten me.  I told my mother who said, "Oh you know she reads all of those Steven King novels, I am sure she was just relaying a plot to you, not actually presenting the events as fact."   

 

Our parents traveled abroad for business purposes.  Each time they would leave the country my sister would create some sort of crisis that would require me to rush to her aid.  These were also intended to make Mom and Dad feel guilty for leaving her.  On the very day that my husband walked out on me for another woman, my sister's therapist called me saying that she had baracaded herself in my parents home and was threatening suicide.  So in the middle of the night I took may baby and drove three and a half hours to her rescue.

 

The day before I married my second husband she missed her flight from New York and had to stay overnight.  She reported that she had been attacked in the airport and returned to her friends's home to recover from the trauma of the event.  Although an investigation was conducted there was never any evidence of an assault.    Eventually life went on and she recovered.  Then I decided to go back to school to earn my degree.  As soon as my mother told her this she began to drink excessively and she then became and alcoholic.  Eventually she recovered from that and our mom became the focus of our attention because she had liver cancer.  My sister chose that time to move out of the house and announce that she had "suddenly become a lesbian and no longer wanted to have anything to do with those of us who were heterosexual."  She witheld herself from my mother in the last few months of her life and my mom suffered in anguish over her absence.  She and her "significant other"  came to visit only the night before mother died and when I left them alone in our mother's room they stole her credit cards from her purse, and quickly left.  After our mother passed away they began preying on our father who was in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.  She would have him constantly in a panic by lying to him.  She told him that she was dying of a brain tumor, that she had been suddenly stricken blind, had been raped, or that she was broke and starving to death.  My dad believed her and would write checks to help her, forgetting that he had already given her money earlier in the day.  She stole a fortune from him, literally, and used the money to buy expensive cars,  jewelry, and to travel the world.  She made his last days miserable as well. 

 

In November of 2000 Beth died.  She was found dead in my parent's home by a friend.  An autopsy and toxocology screening were performed and the results were inconclusive.  The police did find many different medications in the house that were prescribed to herself and three or four other names that she had created in order to get medication.

 

Although I did love my sister, I hate her memory now.  She ruined the last few years of my parent's lives, and her loss has caused me to withdraw from my own life for the past six years.  I am so angry with her for all that she did.  She had so much love from our family and so much potential and she wasted it all.  I never understood her insatiable need for attention and crisis.  I don't know how she was able to do the things she did. I am at a loss now wondering if I ever really knew her and I don't know now if she ever loved any of us.  I am so angry about this that if you were to go to the cemetary today you would not be able to find her grave because I have not placed a marker on it.   

 

These women are controlling, selfish and manipulative.  Parent's who live in denial are not helping their daughters at all.

Reading your story reminds me of how angry I started to feel at my daughter at how upside down she caused our home to be.  Her brother and sister thought she did it only for attention.  I think in her case that was true to a certain point.  But it wasn't until later, that we found out that she was raped by a boyfriend on repeated occasions.  Her therapist could pinpoint that something traumatic happened to her and about when it did - but couldn't get her to open up.  I am the one who put it all together after she got out of treatment.  Anyway - my prayers are with you and for you.  Your sister is gone and the energy it takes from your life to be angry isn't worth it - especially for your sister.  You may never know what was truly in her head and her motives.  She did seem to want the attention onto herself - but obviously because of her own pain, she wanted everyone else to feel pain at her own hand (so to speak). 

 

I mainly wanted to say that your last 2 sentences are clearly honest and I agree with you.  My daughter was all of those - controlling, selfish and manipulative.  I hope that I am not living in denial with her any longer, but I can look back at before we sent her into treatment and we soaked up all of her manipulative acts and lies. 

 

Take care.

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:32 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

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I do not feel sorry for these women.  It is a choice without a doubt.  My sister was anorexic and now she is dead.  She was alway a perfectionist and over achiever.   She was beautiful, extremely intelligent and very talented.  I idolized her growing up, and our parent's adored her.  She was very happy and well adjusted until the year that I announced my engagement.  Suddenly she stopped eating.  She was my maid of honor, and on the day of my wedding she weighed only 80 lbs. and was too weak to stand.  As soon as the ceremony was over she had to be rushed to the hospital because she collapsed while we were taking pictures.  She later admitted that she had spun out of control because in her mind I had achieved something that she had been unable to do.    After months and months of treatment in an inpatient facility and many thousands of dollars she recovered.  She was realeased to my parents and moved back into their home and was by all appearences doing very well.   Two years later I announced that I was pregnant.  She feigned excitement and began cutting herself with razors.  This was very traumatic for my parents and myself and we focused almost entirely on her and her behavior for the duration of my pregnancy.  .After my son was born she began telling me that our pastor, family doctor, and other respected men in our community were involved in satanic rituals  where babies were being ceremonially sacrificed.  She said that she had been forced to participate in the rituals against her will.  Of course I knew that she had concocted the story to frighten me.  I told my mother who said, "Oh you know she reads all of those Steven King novels, I am sure she was just relaying a plot to you, not actually presenting the events as fact."   

 

Our parents traveled abroad for business purposes.  Each time they would leave the country my sister would create some sort of crisis that would require me to rush to her aid.  These were also intended to make Mom and Dad feel guilty for leaving her.  On the very day that my husband walked out on me for another woman, my sister's therapist called me saying that she had baracaded herself in my parents home and was threatening suicide.  So in the middle of the night I took may baby and drove three and a half hours to her rescue.

 

The day before I married my second husband she missed her flight from New York and had to stay overnight.  She reported that she had been attacked in the airport and returned to her friends's home to recover from the trauma of the event.  Although an investigation was conducted there was never any evidence of an assault.    Eventually life went on and she recovered.  Then I decided to go back to school to earn my degree.  As soon as my mother told her this she began to drink excessively and she then became and alcoholic.  Eventually she recovered from that and our mom became the focus of our attention because she had liver cancer.  My sister chose that time to move out of the house and announce that she had "suddenly become a lesbian and no longer wanted to have anything to do with those of us who were heterosexual."  She witheld herself from my mother in the last few months of her life and my mom suffered in anguish over her absence.  She and her "significant other"  came to visit only the night before mother died and when I left them alone in our mother's room they stole her credit cards from her purse, and quickly left.  After our mother passed away they began preying on our father who was in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.  She would have him constantly in a panic by lying to him.  She told him that she was dying of a brain tumor, that she had been suddenly stricken blind, had been raped, or that she was broke and starving to death.  My dad believed her and would write checks to help her, forgetting that he had already given her money earlier in the day.  She stole a fortune from him, literally, and used the money to buy expensive cars,  jewelry, and to travel the world.  She made his last days miserable as well. 

 

In November of 2000 Beth died.  She was found dead in my parent's home by a friend.  An autopsy and toxocology screening were performed and the results were inconclusive.  The police did find many different medications in the house that were prescribed to herself and three or four other names that she had created in order to get medication.

 

Although I did love my sister, I hate her memory now.  She ruined the last few years of my parent's lives, and her loss has caused me to withdraw from my own life for the past six years.  I am so angry with her for all that she did.  She had so much love from our family and so much potential and she wasted it all.  I never understood her insatiable need for attention and crisis.  I don't know how she was able to do the things she did. I am at a loss now wondering if I ever really knew her and I don't know now if she ever loved any of us.  I am so angry about this that if you were to go to the cemetary today you would not be able to find her grave because I have not placed a marker on it.   

 

These women are controlling, selfish and manipulative.  Parent's who live in denial are not helping their daughters at all.

That's pretty horrible that your sister died of a mental disease and you blame her for it.

"She later admitted that she had spun out of control because in her mind I had achieved something that she had been unable to do."

That is not something a healthy mind thinks.
 
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November 16, 2006, 4:33 pm PST

Continued therapy

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I was hospitalized 7 times and attempted suicide before spending a month at The Renfrew Center.  While there I worked and fought.  I have mostly symptom and behavior free for 6 months.  However, after seeing the show and reading about the Center for Change and eating disorder recovery statistics I am saddened.  Everyone is measuring recovery in behavior and weight.  I am miserable, depressed, and hopeless; however, just because I'm not using eating disorder behaviors, I'm recovered and I would be considered a success story.  I did have the after treatment high, but I just don't feel any better.  Though my behaviors are different, my feelings and thoughts have not changed much.  I got real Dr. Phil.  I gave up control of the eating disorder.  I listened to therapists, doctors, family and friends.  I made the choice.  What have I gained now?  I have a life not worth living.  Now I don't look like I need any help and I will suffer alone.  Now not even my eating disorder comforts me.  Though healthy, I am still trapped inside my body.  I want to crawl out of my skin.  What more can I do now?  I just keep putting one foot in front of the other and I stick to my recovery plan.  However, I'm just standing still, I'm not moving foward.  How can I get anywhere from here?  Is there anywhere to go?  Or is this as good as it gets now?

I read your message and I'm worried about you.  Don't you still see a therapist??  If not, go see one right away.  Therapy can take months, or in my case, years.  Life does slowly get better.  Hang in there and please see a GOOD therapist!
 
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November 16, 2006, 4:35 pm PST

Thanks Sammie

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As a person in recovery from an eating disorder I can say that I disagree that the solution is as simple as getting someone to agree to a diet.  There are much more complex psychological issues involved here.

 

I do agree, however, that some therapy techniques are inappropriate for some patients and personally disagree altogether with some techniques.  For example, I think that clinics that force feed patients and punish them for exercising can actually reinforce their desire for control and hatred for calories.  Of course when someone is dying, we have to take drastic measures such as tube feeding but as soon as possible, it is the mind that needs the help.  The ultimate goal should always be to help the patient resume a normal life.

 

That said, there are fantastic professionals out there who can and do help women get back their lives.  I'm an example.  Eating disorders are hard to understand if you've never had one.  If you ever do have a child with an eating disorder, please don't assume that you can fix it with a change of environment or a diet.  Find expert help that you agree with and is proven to work.  There is no one solution but professional help has a much higher success rate than self-help.

 

I agree that professional help is the way to go -- It's just so, so complicated that I tend to think one thing one minute and another the next.

 

I'm so glad you found a method that worked for you and that you're in recovery.

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:43 pm PST

yes, see someone.

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I read your message and I'm worried about you.  Don't you still see a therapist??  If not, go see one right away.  Therapy can take months, or in my case, years.  Life does slowly get better.  Hang in there and please see a GOOD therapist!
 
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November 16, 2006, 4:46 pm PST

what is wrong with them

I felt really sad for these two women.I hope they can be helped.I just read tonite that a 21(only) year old Brazilian model just died from complications due to this sickness.But there is some good news the rules at the model show in Spain have changed.If your bmi is under a certain number you can not be in the show.England said it might follow suit.About thirty models were turned away.I wish this kind of news is talked about as much as Tom's wedding.thank you
 
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November 16, 2006, 4:48 pm PST

11/16 Starving for Perfection

 

    I didn't watch the show today because I don't think I would have been able to see those women.   My heart goes out to them and their families.  I hope they both get the medical treatment and professional psychological help that they desperately need.  I believe that this is an emotional disease and a disease about control.   Society in general always puts the message across that thin is better, but that BS to me.  It's better to be healthy.   Young girls are very suspectible to the criticism they receive from family members, teachers, gym teachers.  I know if I had a daughter in gymnastics and he/she told my daughter that she had to lose 10 more lbs. just to be "perfect" etc., that would be the last class she has with that gymnist.

 

 

 
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November 16, 2006, 4:51 pm PST

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I wish that Dr. Phil would do a show with girls that are anorexic that don't look like this!  Our country needs to be more aware of this horrible disease!  I have a 23 year old daughter that has been in and out of treatment for anorexia for 4 years.  When was 1st diagnosed she was 120 lbs., and looked like a normal teenager.  She hid it very well.  She didn't look like these women or Karen Carpenter that we all think an anorexic looks like. 

 

She was a dancer.  She danced 6-8 hours a day in college.  When she wasn't dancing she was working out or running.  To make a long story short, we found out about her problem when we discovered her body was eating away at her heart for the protein it needed.  She was 19 years old and we almost lost her!!! 

 

She is a very intelligent girl, and took nutrition as a passion as early as 13 years old, we thought she just knew how to eat smart, we didn't know that the amount of calories she was consuming would not sustain her body as active as she was.  She has so brainwashed herself against food that there are almost no safe foods for her. 

 

She lost her dreams!  She was at a predominant university and they ask her leave because of her health issues.  She had dreams of being a professional dancer, and her world ended because of this disease.  It was a childhood dream, her dream is gone.  Now she is a 23 year old that doesn't know how to build a new dream.  The eating disorder is her best friend!  She basically can't remember life without it.  She is brilliant, a talented writer, very talented artist, has a natural talent with children, so much is going for her, but she can't see it. 

 

She has been in one of the best treatment centers twice for 6 month stays at a time, after this last inpatient treatment she remained in the town of the treatment center to allow to stay with her treatment team on an outpatient basis.  She is working so hard at recovery, yet only making baby steps! 

 

Dr. Phil...please let America know that these girls are everywhere!!!!  We just don't recognize them soon enough!!!!

 

She really needs to meet someone that is truely recovered, because as much as she wants it, she is not sure it is possible.

 

Moms everywhere...pay attention to what your kids are doing, and how they are really feeling! 

I can not agree with you more about the way anorexics are shown in the media. The media only seems to present the extreme cases of eating disorders, and we think that if the someone does not look like that then they do not have the disorder. The truth is that most bulimics are of normal weight and most anorexics never get that extreme before they die. One of the reasons so many girls never get diagnosed before they are hospitalized and almost dead is because people miss the warning signs. I was anorexic for around nine years and did not get help until I asked a friend where I could go for counseling. I lived with my parents and all that time they had no idea, because they knew almost nothing about it. I was even taken to the doctor several times for missed periods. I remember when I was 16 and my disorder really consumed me. My mom took me to the doctor and I had lost 10 lbs in about 3 weeks. Of course the doctor asked me about my weight, but he never considered that I had an eating disorder. My weight had also changed drastically through tout my childhood varying by about 30 lbs, and still no one thought I had anorexia. I really think people should know what anorexia really looks like before it too late, because I think that I probably would not have had to go through all the pain and suffering if I would have been diagnosed early.I also think that recovery goes much better if it is diagnosed early. One of the worst things about not being diagnosed early is that I lost a part of my childhood and I have no memories of what life was like before my disorder, and I can not remember many things about my life because of the memory loss that I suffered because of malnutrition. My suggestion to anyone that works with children or has children please learn the symptoms of the disorder and talk to your kids, because the age range for eating disorders are getting younger and the numbers of cases reported is growing.
 
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