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Topic : 06/04 In-Laws’ Dirty Secrets Exposed

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Created on : Friday, November 10, 2006, 09:23:21 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/17/06) It's often said that parents find true happiness when their child finds true love. But what happens when a mother suspects that her child may be sleeping with the enemy? Gerri fears that her son-in-law, Alan, is such a danger to her daughter, Melissa, and her grandchildren, that he may kill them. She claims Alan is molesting his 3-year-old daughter, and that Melissa is in denial. Gerri says she had no choice but to call Family Services. Alan and Melissa are outraged by the accusations and say Gerri is out to destroy their marriage. Alan maintains his innocence, and Melissa stands by his side. Could Gerri's guilt as a parent be causing her to make these serious allegations? Alan takes a grueling three-hour lie detector test to prove his innocence. Who will be the one apologizing when Dr. Phil reveals the results? Is Alan a monster or the victim of a malicious mother-in-law? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 20, 2006, 5:34 am PST

Why?

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They are very reliable IF administered by a true professional. The CIA, FBI and other agencies have the top experts in the field. Sadly, there are many others licensed to perform the tests that aren't of top quality. I am confident Dr. Phil got someone tops in her/his field.

 

Remember the William Kennedy Smith rape case in south Florida over a decade ago? The test was administered by a top FBI analyst. Kennedy-Smith FLUNKED the test and the VICTIM passed the test. But do to the test not being allowed in court (and all his power and money from the Kennedy family), he got away with the crime and she got her name dragged thru the mud!

 

The prosecutors office in Tampa often won't take on a rape case unless the "victim" will sit down for a lie detector test. If she fails the test, they pass on issuing charges against the "rapist."

 

Lie dector tests are a NICE TOOL, but that's only one piece of good detective work!

Given that, as you say, the tests are so significantly reliable when administered by a "true professional", why are they inadmissible in court?  It would seem simple enough for the "true professional" to carry a level of certification enabling them to use their results in court.  This would dispense with the cost of trials, would it not?  Would you trust your reputation or your life to one of these tests?  I find it interesting that you point out the Kennedy case.  Would not such an absolute test be suitable to any member of the Bush family?  Or, are your politics showing?  The prospect of  the FBI or CIA having a test that they are the only ones certified to use should give everyone pause.  I can see J Edgar Hoover in an evening gown testifying the the United States has never had organized crime.  My point is that the "true professional" often has a vested interest in the result and the result is again compromised. 
 
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November 20, 2006, 5:58 am PST

You Are NOT A Survivor Yet

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I believe both are guilty of incest. That little girl did not feel comfortable around her so called "dad". I think they are both molesting the little child. She is doing it because she is sick. He is a full blown pedifile. I don't trust a lie detector test regardless. My male parent was one of the most gregarious men, an inventer, a real genious. But when he got me cornered a little five year old child when he first molested me, and when my grandfather molested me I couldn't of been more then three years old. He hurt me, but I forgot the next day, as I was a small little child. I do not like, nor exucse any child molester and he came far from making me believe he was ha, innocent. They both know they are doing it and will protect each other, but I know that little girl's witholding her little mind, and is very uncomfortable around him, and he needs to be shot. He's vile, arragant, and vicious as far as I'm concerned. I felt sorry for the grandmother. Just because she failed her daughter to protect her, at least she "tried" to protect her little grand child. I don't like having court on a tv show, with no trial.
I suggest you are not a survivor and will never be as long as you transfer the hatred of your molesters to anyone ACCUSED of the charge.  It has warped your thinking to the point that you believe a trial would also be meaningless.  If accused, then guilty.  Kill them all and worry about innocence later.  You need serious counseling.   Your position is warped beyond belief.  I do not know why you watched the show.  Were you hoping for a public lynching?  The was no need for a trial because the man DID NOT DO IT.  In spite of all your wishes to the contrary, we do not punish innocent people.  The charge had been very thoroughly investigated, and still you are not satisfied.  You sound like a bitter and warped person who needs serious therapy over an extended period of time.  I don't wish to diminish what happened to you, but when you write like that, you diminish yourself.  Please get help.
 
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November 20, 2006, 6:01 am PST

Answers

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I didn't see the show In-Laws Dirty Secrets.  Did the father molest his daughter.  What the the lie detector show?
There is no evidence the father molested his child.  He passed the polygraph easily.
 
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November 20, 2006, 6:17 am PST

What Can You Expect?

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 "Life will be very different when the Feminine comes back into power and when the masculine (intellect) learns to serve her rather than dominate her."

What??? Are you kidding me? Are you implying that the intellect is mainly prominent in males only, whereas women are mainly ruled by their intuition and "emotional wisdom?"

Give me a BREAK, lady! And I will bet all the tea in Sri Lanka that you're a lady, and maybe you just took a class in Women's Studies, and that while you think you're advocating feminism and the rights of women, you're simply REINFORCING STEREOTYPES with this nonsensical spiel.

Women and men are not inherenlty better than each other. Grief only comes when people like you think the two sexes should be pitted against each other. That is hugely absurd and destructive. Women and men are all human beings, and complement and need each other. Don't confuse the crappiness of individuals with the crappiness of an entire sex. There are bad men out there, AND there are also plenty of bad women, too.
When someone worships at the altar of OPRAH, this is the result.  Tilting the playing field the other way is also wrong.  Any thinking person knows that men and women are intellectual equals.  Your points are well spoken.  I do get tired of people quoting Oprah though.  She is, at best, an entertainer.  Nothing more.  She is not the sage of the universe.  I heard another female celebrity say of her once"...Oprah, that's a paper cut.  Not stigmata!"  But again, you are correct and it is time women like yourself speak up and stop letting your gender be hijacked by people like this other writer.  Feminism is not wrong.   It is simply abused by the bitter and vindicative few.
 
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November 20, 2006, 7:48 am PST

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Oh please. That grandmother twisted every single things she said. "Thump" is a pretty harsh word and it doesn't match the action she showed at all! You are hyper sensitive if you think that is abusive!

And no one used the word "vagina"...a vagina is an inner body part, so it seems you are creating some spin of your own Frankly.

And you think he handled his daughter roughly? Why? Because she's a girl? My husband plays that roughly with my daughter. It's good for her, it's exercise and that is often how men bond with their children.

And do you think people are ill equipped to handle their children if they themselves have been abused? Or just this woman?

This woman is a bitter liar who seems to want to stop at nothing to ruin her daughters marriage. She needs a hobby.
Very well said.  I was going to answer that one myself, but I think you covered it.  Good job.
 
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November 20, 2006, 7:51 am PST

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I feel bad for you and brothers for what you've been through. However, I am a pre-law student and I think you should look into this more clearly, quite possibly consulting a lawyer because in the case of rape the statue of limitations is 5 years which in your case is 4 1/2 decades ago. You might not be able to take her to court. You might need to find solace in something else. My advice is to get a good therapist and have him/her help you through this. But unfotunately I dont think court is going to happen in this case, Im sorry.
I do not doubt your credentials and I am sure the statute of limits has expired for criminal action.  Does she have recourse to a civil action?  I know it's a reach even if she does, but it's a thought.
 
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November 20, 2006, 8:03 am PST

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Quote From: ceildh1

That truth serum thing though might bring the Doctor more gusests than he could handle.

So the Polygraph said he was innocent, and now MANY ( not all) of the gusests are ready to jump all over the grandmother, okay, what she did was WRONG, the information was given to her SECOND HAND, by a realitive who was abused herself and so may be hyper sensitive to EVERYTHING that she could construe as abusive.

I thought the father was smug, but that being said, I don't think he's an abuser, I think he's a man that is FED UP with his MIL, she obviouslty can't stand him, but what I wonder is why ? It could be as simple as he took her baby away, but I wonder, was her own husband abusive and controlling, and is she HERSELF hypersensitive to the things he says and does ?

Just playing armchair psychologist, but unlike what people get on the shows, I like the WHOLE story before I like to cast stones, after all like everyone else I too live in a glass house.

Your points are well founded, but I was left with the impression that the grandmother was very vindictive for some reason.  Try as I may, I cannot find a good reason for her actions.  Unlike some others, I do think if she believed abuse was there she was correct to contact the authorities.  Talking to her daughter would not change that.  It her case though, I really felt she had nothing to base the allegation on.   In any event, within this forum and regardless of the program, we are ,at best, offering informed speculation.  Now if you'll excuse me, the Windex is drying on my walls!
 
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November 20, 2006, 8:10 am PST

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I can certainly see your points and do not disagree except for in saying that it WAS different back then.  I say this not to excuse her present or even past action (or lack thereof), but rather to remind people that until the mid 1960s you could not even use the word "pregnant" on television.  There was a "head in the sand" mentality about anything of a sexual nature.  I think this was before this mother became a mother though.  I am older and know my parents would not have (and did not) speak of such things.  A degree of this happened to one of my sisters and we heard nothing of it until this year.  People truly did not know how to handle these things.

 

This mother is younger than that and should have know better.  She may blame herself for that now without being able to say so.  Still, as you say, her words, actions, and lack of the same cannot be justified.

Going back to my own parents, I will argue that in spite of mistakes made based on how people were told to handle things, my parents were fantastic.  They just lived in a time of "Father Knows Best" and "Leave It To Beaver".  Sometimes people are a victim of their times.  Be careful.  When your own grandchildren are growing up, they will look back and wonder how we could have been so simple minded about things.  I will guarantee that you will say "We didn't know that back then".  Just points to ponder.  Good luck to you.      

Hmmmm...  I would have to say that in my personal opinion, some things are timeless and ageless.  Knowing what to do when your child is hurt strikes me as being on the short list!

 

This girl was abused ten years ago.  That was the 90's not the 60's.  I was abused in the 80's.  Again, not the 60's.  Did it ever occur to you that this mother goes right into that "We didnt know what to do back then" (all of ten years ago)because that is what EVERYONE says?   Seriously, thats like the major denial-get myself off the hook- tactic! 

 

Its not that people dont know what to do when their child is hurt.  Its that people dont have the courage to do what they should!  Now THATS the truth of it!  Blaming this kind of non action on some random decade is a very dangerous thing to do.  All that does is give license to even more parents, such as this mother, to use that very excuse in the future.  "It was 2006!  We didnt know what to do!" 

 

Just something for you to ponder....

 
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November 20, 2006, 8:19 am PST

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Quote From: purplepenny

I don't know about the Duke rape scandal. I never heard of it.

I'm glad that things have swung about date rape and marital rape though. I get sick of men thinking that sex is something they are entitled to.

The "Duke rape scandal" has absolutely nothing to do with this.  The writer was adding another, unrelated, situation.  All that did was muddy the waters.

 

I agree with the points you make.  I would only add that many men are also glad that corner has been turned.  Don't you think we get angry and frustrated by being associated by gender to those who behave in the way you describe? 

 

I would like to say also that "entitlement" to sex does exist.  Simply put, a man or a woman in a marital state are entitled to mutual support and having their needs met to the best of their partner's ability.  Notice I apply that to both sexes.  Sex is an integral part of marriage and a biological as well as psychological need.  Both partners must recognize this need and help to satisfy it.  Having said that, I now point out that the need must not and cannot be met on demand.  At that point it is no longer about the need, but about the wish to dominate.  Neither spouse has that right.

 
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November 20, 2006, 8:26 am PST

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Quote From: conniebro

He is either lazy or afraid of his own inclinations.  A good, loving father cares for his children without fear of someone making a false accusation. 
What planet are you from? 
 
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