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Topic : 06/04 In-Laws’ Dirty Secrets Exposed

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Created on : Friday, November 10, 2006, 09:23:21 am
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(Original Air Date: 11/17/06) It's often said that parents find true happiness when their child finds true love. But what happens when a mother suspects that her child may be sleeping with the enemy? Gerri fears that her son-in-law, Alan, is such a danger to her daughter, Melissa, and her grandchildren, that he may kill them. She claims Alan is molesting his 3-year-old daughter, and that Melissa is in denial. Gerri says she had no choice but to call Family Services. Alan and Melissa are outraged by the accusations and say Gerri is out to destroy their marriage. Alan maintains his innocence, and Melissa stands by his side. Could Gerri's guilt as a parent be causing her to make these serious allegations? Alan takes a grueling three-hour lie detector test to prove his innocence. Who will be the one apologizing when Dr. Phil reveals the results? Is Alan a monster or the victim of a malicious mother-in-law? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 17, 2006, 4:29 pm PST

Daddy won't bathe or diaper the kids?

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I'm responding to the quote of the women who's husband won't bath their daughter.  I can't believe their is someone out their who is in the same situation as me!!! . we have a 7 & 4 year old & my husband has NEVER changed a diaper or bathed the kids for this reason. He has even gone as far as to have his sister come to the house to change a diaper if i wasn't around!. It was fustrating to me for some time, but now that they are more self sufficient it is becoming easier. Not to get the wrong idea, he is a wonderful father, but terrified of someone making a false allegation.

I know some people even think it's funny that he won't help , but it caused a big rift in our marriage for a while. I hope your stuff works out better!! I understand the fustration though!    

 

He is either lazy or afraid of his own inclinations.  A good, loving father cares for his children without fear of someone making a false accusation. 
 
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November 17, 2006, 4:41 pm PST

Some justification for their behavior

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My mother, aunt and grandmother all hate men and have ALWAYS used this ploy with any man that they hate.  They will accuse them of child sexual abuse - it happens without fail.  I do not know why they do this...possibly because child sexual abuse is one of, if not THE, most horrible things a person can do.  They tried to destroy my marriage, DID destroy my relationship with my father, DID destroy my sister's relationship with her father, etc., etc., ad nauseum.  YES, child abuse is real - that is a horrible fact.  But people who use it as a way to get back at others and threaten them should be in jail.  I fully believe this.
 ..or perhaps understanding is a better word. We DO live in a patriarchy. One in four  children are sexually molested--usually females by males. So it is not just your older female family members' personal experience that leads them to mistrust men. We are living in out-of-balance barbaric times.

When women take back their personal power from men and start using their Goddess given abilities to use their right brain , intuition and psychic abilities, and stop making men and male values their gods, then things will start to go back into balance. Women will KNOW who to trust, will have the strength and courage to protect themselves and their children and to insist on truth of all kinds--especially emotional truth. They will have access to higher wisdom and will assert it to make the world a better place. Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa said it and Oprah seconded it..."Women should run the world". I would qualify that to be "Women using their full feminine powers and asserting true feminine values should run the world."

Life will be very different when the Feminine comes back into power and when the masculine (intellect) learns to serve her rather than dominate her. It IS coming, but we all need to work on it to bring it in.

The women in your family are in an understandable rage and unfortunately have generalized their hatred of SOME   specific men to all men. But there is some real justification for their suspicions of most men. There ARE a lot of abusers out there. Oprah knows it. Dr. Phil denies it. She says one in four children are sexually molested. He says one in sixteen thousand. I believe her.
 
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November 17, 2006, 4:46 pm PST

11/17 In-Laws’ Dirty Secrets Exposed

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 Could you turn around that fast and give somone you have not trusted for years a SINCERE  apology? If she had apologized I would have had less respect for her. She would have been doing it just to please everyone--including the audience. Good for her for not doing it even though Dr. Phil was hinting so broadly about what he wanted from her

. First of all I think she was very possibly right in her assessment of her son-in-law. (lie detector tests can be fooled). Secondly, if she decides she was wrong it will take some time. I hope she waits until she can do it sincerely--if ever.

 

     I would've apologized even if it wasn't on the show. I'm not saying the SIL is perfect there are things that I don't agree with the thumping in the mouth incident  or forcing her to eat either but the test results revealed that he wasn't a molester.  If those tests can be fooled, why are they used so much, and why submit him to only one test?  If that other family member felt so strongly and witnessed him inappropriately touching his daughter, then that person should have been on stage ready to confront him with what they saw!  I know I would if I had seen anything like that.    I don't have any respect for meddling in laws although I'm not married I've had experiences with my fiance's meddling mother and some people just don't know when to draw the line.   Her daughter needs to get a backbone and live her life.  I think Dr. Phil should have a follow up show to check up on how things are going for this family.

 
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November 17, 2006, 4:56 pm PST

11/17 In-Laws’ Dirty Secrets Exposed

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He is either lazy or afraid of his own inclinations.  A good, loving father cares for his children without fear of someone making a false accusation. 
Oh maybe he is simply afraid of people who jump on a bandwagon everytime there is an allegation. His fear may be a little much, but many people have fears that are a bit over the top.

It's mean of you to accuse him of being lazy and gross of you to accuse him of having certain inclinations.
 
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November 17, 2006, 5:02 pm PST

11/17 In-Laws’ Dirty Secrets Exposed

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The grandmother was told by another family member about the alleged sexual abuse.  This other person said that she witnessed the father (rubbing his daughter's vagina) with her own eyes.  Why was this disregarded on the show?  In my opinion a father that would "thump" his two year old daughter on the mouth and then tell her not to cry is an abusive person.  Try not to cry if someone thumps you in the mouth - it hurts!  And it humiliates the child.  I thought that the video showed him handling that little girl in a rough manner when he picked her up too.  The daughter is ill-equipped to protect her own children after what her childhood was like and the whole family needs parenting classes. 

 

I admit the grandmother failed to protect her own daughter, but I bet anything that the grandmother also was molested as a child and she is trying to stop the pattern from repeating through the generations.  Why is it that Dr Phil did not answer the grandmother when she asked him if it was appropriate for a father to "thump" his two year old baby girl in the mouth?

Oh please. That grandmother twisted every single things she said. "Thump" is a pretty harsh word and it doesn't match the action she showed at all! You are hyper sensitive if you think that is abusive!

And no one used the word "vagina"...a vagina is an inner body part, so it seems you are creating some spin of your own Frankly.

And you think he handled his daughter roughly? Why? Because she's a girl? My husband plays that roughly with my daughter. It's good for her, it's exercise and that is often how men bond with their children.

And do you think people are ill equipped to handle their children if they themselves have been abused? Or just this woman?

This woman is a bitter liar who seems to want to stop at nothing to ruin her daughters marriage. She needs a hobby.
 
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November 17, 2006, 5:10 pm PST

Mother's need to get a life and leave their daughter's alone

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Oh please. That grandmother twisted every single things she said. "Thump" is a pretty harsh word and it doesn't match the action she showed at all! You are hyper sensitive if you think that is abusive!

And no one used the word "vagina"...a vagina is an inner body part, so it seems you are creating some spin of your own Frankly.

And you think he handled his daughter roughly? Why? Because she's a girl? My husband plays that roughly with my daughter. It's good for her, it's exercise and that is often how men bond with their children.

And do you think people are ill equipped to handle their children if they themselves have been abused? Or just this woman?

This woman is a bitter liar who seems to want to stop at nothing to ruin her daughters marriage. She needs a hobby.
I am so tired of seeing women that don't have a life after their children.  It is so pathetic how they try to manipulate and undermine their own flesh and blood. That is so sad.  I deal with this in my family because I date a man of color.  Life is too short for this type of dysfunctional...come on Grandma's....get a life and move on!!
 
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November 17, 2006, 5:11 pm PST

Same Moms? I don't think so...

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That mom is just like mine. I moved away from mine as well, like 4 provinces west and I still can't stand her at times. Just like this mom on today's show, it's UNBELIEVABLE how much material I can relate to on these shows, I just can't keep quiet, especially on the subject of pedofiles and false accusations, I am against both in a very strong way, VERY STRONG. When my mother found pot in my pockets at the age of 15, she had the cops waiting for me before I could say what? but when it came to ME taking her X podofile boyfriend to court for the sick things he did to me, she was like aaahhh, and I quote "Stephanie this is your mother speaking and if you decide to go through with this, you're on your own" unquote. Just watching this stuff on Dr.Phil stirrs me up, I am happy to see all the exposure on tv with regard to this issue. It wasn't strength that drove me to take this thing to court, it was anger, RAGE! and I had to disown my mother for as long as I could (a year and a half it lasted) , she was against me confronting my attacker that SHE brought home. Where's your head when you say 'I didn't know what to do?' when someone does this to your child? Is this mother and mine in the same place? they look alike, if someone did this to my child, I've NEVER had kids, my mom doesn't deserve grandchildren from me, to just let the creep be in the same company as your child again after hearing about it ONCE, is pathetic, I don't even want to think of what I would do, Jude Judy couldn't have said it better than when she was on Larry King, I agree with her when she said that the only cure for a pedofile is death. Now with this father here force feeding his daughter, that among other things, promotes obesity, perhaps bulimia, it doesn't take an expert to figure that out, but I guess that's another show.

 It sounds like your Mom and Gerri are very different. Gerri did eventually understand and regret her mistake in not protecting her daughter--and DID try to protect her granddaughter. I am not defending your mother--she did a really bad thing to you. But I bet you anything your mother was sexually abused as a child as well. That's very often what they do when they grow up--either become molesters themselves (more often males do this) or they are attracted to abusive men who abuse the woman and or the  woman's children. The mother often closes her eyes to this. It is extremely sad. I wish I could comfort and protect every little girl in this situation.

I can see by your picture that you are perhaps caught up in some of the sequelae of the abuse syndrome. You hate pedophilic men (maybe all men to a degree) but need to have sexual power over them. Women who have been abused often subconsciously hate themselves--especially the child aspect of themselves that feels like a victim. That makes them hate anything that reminds them of that part of themselves...eg their own helpless child-self--or their biological child.

They often subconsciously feel that the the child they were and the child they have now deserve to be punished. It is guilt taken on from the perpetrator--and also twisted child logic. Eg. "Grown- ups are gods and are perfect. If I am getting hurt by them I must deserve it. Ipso facto--I am guilty." It all sinks into the unconscious and drives emotions and actions--but without much conscious control --unless one goes into therapy and makes it all conscious. A lot of hard work--but worth it.

I hope you and your Mom can work on this together, with lots of emotional truth it could lead to a wonderful new relationship between the two of you. But if she won't, I hope you carry on by yourself. Your rage is good. Feeling like a victim is worse. When a trauma victim hits the "rage stage", they are on their way to healing--if they don't get stuck there. Best of luuck and blessings to you.
 
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November 17, 2006, 5:17 pm PST

Grandma has to GO

I don't believe the grandma should be able to visit her daughter's family.  She seemed very shrewed and almost kind of crazy.  I would not be able to ever trust her again.  It was interesting to listen to her explanations of how her son-in-law molested his daughter and that the son-in-law may kill his family.  She definitely has deep, deep problems.  I wish we would have found out who molested her daughter when she was younger!

 

I wish the young family all the best and unfortunately.............grandma has to go!

 

P.S.  If you read this grandma......shame on you for not apologizing to your son-in-law! 

 
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November 17, 2006, 5:19 pm PST

mother-in-law

 I think it was terrible that the mother-in-law didn't even bother to appologize. I hope the family stays away from her.
 
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November 17, 2006, 5:25 pm PST

Follow up show yes...but...

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     I would've apologized even if it wasn't on the show. I'm not saying the SIL is perfect there are things that I don't agree with the thumping in the mouth incident  or forcing her to eat either but the test results revealed that he wasn't a molester.  If those tests can be fooled, why are they used so much, and why submit him to only one test?  If that other family member felt so strongly and witnessed him inappropriately touching his daughter, then that person should have been on stage ready to confront him with what they saw!  I know I would if I had seen anything like that.    I don't have any respect for meddling in laws although I'm not married I've had experiences with my fiance's meddling mother and some people just don't know when to draw the line.   Her daughter needs to get a backbone and live her life.  I think Dr. Phil should have a follow up show to check up on how things are going for this family.

 A few people on this message board have said, "Where's the person who saw him tickling her private parts?" That would have been good information for the viewers to have--since it seemed to be the main motivation for the grandmother to report abuse to the authorities.

Also, I'd like to see on a follow-up show just how easy it is to fool a lie detector test, and since it is only 96% accurate could he be still lying? I think they need to face that possibility (the producers and Dr.P) and not give this guy  full and  squeaky clean absolution or "not-guilty" verdict, based on that outcome. My gut says he is lying--and I have come to trust my gut from a lot of practical experience.

There ARE meddling in-laws. I am sorry if you have some. But it is important, I believe, to be objective and not project our own personal experiences over other similar situations. And at the same time it is important to use our intuition.
 
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