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November 30, 2006, 9:47 am PST

HI every one!

Boy have i missed you all ! the kids have been keeping me so busy!

I must be the worlds greatest idiot

I'ts been about 2 months now since he last looked at porn!

we had a huge fight about 2 weeks ago and i told him that  its over and that i was just looking for a job and then i'm out of here!

he begged me to stay, and as always i was tempted top stay so. . . . i agreed to stay if and only if he pulls him self totally together before i get the job and if he stays like that while i'm getting on my feet, then we'll see how things go!

and decide!

I think i kinda love him, not sure though! only time will tell!

so how is every one here doing?

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November 30, 2006, 11:53 am PST

Hi Joline. Thanks for swinging by.

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Boy have i missed you all ! the kids have been keeping me so busy!

I must be the worlds greatest idiot

I'ts been about 2 months now since he last looked at porn!

we had a huge fight about 2 weeks ago and i told him that  its over and that i was just looking for a job and then i'm out of here!

he begged me to stay, and as always i was tempted top stay so. . . . i agreed to stay if and only if he pulls him self totally together before i get the job and if he stays like that while i'm getting on my feet, then we'll see how things go!

and decide!

I think i kinda love him, not sure though! only time will tell!

so how is every one here doing?

luv

Joline 

I hope things work out for you and your family. And it just goes to prove that "porn is not just something people do" it's more like "porn is something people do and then don't know how to live without it".

 

I wish you well.

 

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November 30, 2006, 1:53 pm PST

maybe my dear friends here can help

My grandmother has became ill in recent days. This is my last living grandparent. Her husband (my grandfather) passed away last year. My other grandmother died a couple years ago and her husband died when I was very young.

 

My parents and my father's sisters seem to have found other things in their lives to move on to leaving my grandmother all by herself. My parents are in Florida for the winter (although will be around for a few days over Christmas). My father's sisters pretty much are doing this same thing with their lives. My oldest brother some time ago took on this need to take care of his aging grandparents and my parents pretty much have sat back and allowed him to do this. My mothers says it is his (my brother) need to be needed.

 

Well last evening my brother calls me to see which night I have taken to care for my grandmother. And although I do not want my grandmother not to have someone to take care of her....I am really very upset at my parents for puting me in this position. With having my own children (my youngest still a child) and my own business to run....it is very difficult for me at this point in my life to put that aside and take care of a aging grandmother. WHen my husband's parents were dying.....I found having children and jobs made taking care of them very stressful. And we did it because they were his parents and it was our responsibility to take care of them. But now was my father's mom is dying and he is basking in the sun in Florida and asking us who have family and work committments to take care of his mother.

 

What do I say to my parents? What do I not say to my parents? How do I some day get past this when my parents need me to care for them when they couldn't be here to take care of their parents? What do I say to my brother when he calls asking for me to do the job my father should be doing?

 

I think my biggest problem with all of this is once again realizing that my parents lack everything. I know if I would fall sick or my children or husband woulf all sick....they would not be at my side. And it hurts.

 

So do I not be with my son and help him with his homework or see him or to school or not fill a customer's order because I need to do what my parents refuse to do? And if I choose to not be at my grandmother's side....who will be there for her?

 
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November 30, 2006, 2:02 pm PST

major decision points

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It's amazing how many people live inside a relationship where they will tolerate things based on what they will allow or tolerate in themselves first.   That's the key here Kimi......You've been here going on like 4 years.   Nothing has changed, and nothing will.   And it's not entirely the "fault" or because of the actions of this one person in your life.  

 

If you want change, get to the place where you honestly believe you are strong enough to make declarations about what you will and will not tolerate inside YOUR life and YOUR marriage.  There are those things that are totally UNacceptable and will NOT be tolerated.   There are ways that you will NOT allow another person to do unto YOU because YOU could NOT imagine doing that to them.  You hold respect enough for YOURself and trust YOURself enough to know that you CAN and will make those demands about how you are going to ALLOW that person to treat you.  At the same time, YOU put forth the same attitude and respect towards them that you expect from them.  It WILL ALWAYS start from inside YOU not them.  If you want to be treated differently it always begins within yourself and how you treat them FIRST.   We are all teachers.....teaching someone else HOW we expect to be treated.  And it starts with leading the expectations....by showing them HOW to be loved, how to be respected and what we will and won't take into our lives.    And until that is done.....nothing will ever change.

 

Luv.....and Yes, Happy Thanksgiving too.  And I am NOT doing so great actually.....I am at a major decision making point on this day and it's really hard to know what to do. But it will pass....all things do pass and usually things get better.

Those times in our life seem to come and go but when they are here...it consumes us. I think I am myself at that point for a million reasons. I can't seem to move forward and I am not sure that until I make some major decision if I will move forward.

 

The thing is I guess we have to look at the big picture and not just the here and now. The big picture always seems to help us do the right thing and make that right decision. Good luck!

 
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November 30, 2006, 6:03 pm PST

been in your shoes

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Not for nothing, but he sure does not sound like a very attractive catch. My God....300 lbs. That should be illegal. Then to call your food slop? Unbelievable. He is a very angry and depressed human being and I am sure he needs some big time mental health attention. I feel sorry for your children but more so I feel sorry for you. You have your hands full with caretaking and he is not doing a darn hoot about it! If your husband calls you these things in front of the kids, and you stand there and take it, they most certainly will think you are weak and insecure and they will definately treat you with disrespect when they want to get their way. I have seen it happen many times. A guy treats his woman like crap, and the kids don't want to upset the Daddy, so they too, treat the woman like crap. Be careful because it sure does not sound like a very healthy marriage. I would divorce his sorry butt.
I recently left my husband after 13 years.   He was a angry mean man and very abusive, physically mentally and emotionally.. I was a stay home mom for 14 years and not only took care of the kids but also took care of him.  He punched holes in walls trashed tv s and the computer once and put holes in doors.  I felt very unappreciated and taken for granted.  When we fought he would call me a cry baby and with the physical abuse and verbal it all hurt very much..  After a fight the next day he would act as if nothing ever happened and want to be all lovey dovey with me. When he touched me it made my skin crawl.  I hated it.   He would always tell me i needed therapy.  That was crazy but maybe i should have.  He has now been in therapy sense i left him.  He takes zoloft and they are like happy pills.  I never knew that taking a pilll could alter someones personality so much it was almost scary.    Because i had no income he got tempory  custody of the kids .  Right befor i left him i met a wonderful man.  He helped me realize that not all men are not assholes and i didnt have to stay married to one.  This man i am with now would give me the world if he could.  After two abusive marriages in the past 20 years i never knew there were men out there like that.   Ive neen living with him almost a year now and im tring to get custody of my kids.  My divorce will be final in february and we are planning on getting married asap.  He is my sole mate, and i thank god for him every day.  So i also agree, i would divorce his sorry butt.   
 
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November 30, 2006, 6:07 pm PST

do what you can when you can........

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My grandmother has became ill in recent days. This is my last living grandparent. Her husband (my grandfather) passed away last year. My other grandmother died a couple years ago and her husband died when I was very young.

 

My parents and my father's sisters seem to have found other things in their lives to move on to leaving my grandmother all by herself. My parents are in Florida for the winter (although will be around for a few days over Christmas). My father's sisters pretty much are doing this same thing with their lives. My oldest brother some time ago took on this need to take care of his aging grandparents and my parents pretty much have sat back and allowed him to do this. My mothers says it is his (my brother) need to be needed.

 

Well last evening my brother calls me to see which night I have taken to care for my grandmother. And although I do not want my grandmother not to have someone to take care of her....I am really very upset at my parents for puting me in this position. With having my own children (my youngest still a child) and my own business to run....it is very difficult for me at this point in my life to put that aside and take care of a aging grandmother. WHen my husband's parents were dying.....I found having children and jobs made taking care of them very stressful. And we did it because they were his parents and it was our responsibility to take care of them. But now was my father's mom is dying and he is basking in the sun in Florida and asking us who have family and work committments to take care of his mother.

 

What do I say to my parents? What do I not say to my parents? How do I some day get past this when my parents need me to care for them when they couldn't be here to take care of their parents? What do I say to my brother when he calls asking for me to do the job my father should be doing?

 

I think my biggest problem with all of this is once again realizing that my parents lack everything. I know if I would fall sick or my children or husband woulf all sick....they would not be at my side. And it hurts.

 

So do I not be with my son and help him with his homework or see him or to school or not fill a customer's order because I need to do what my parents refuse to do? And if I choose to not be at my grandmother's side....who will be there for her?

 You know that my 84 year old mother has Alzheimer's and that I do everything I can to help her; i.e. pay her bills, make sure she eats regularly, take her out shopping and to lunch/dinner, make phone calls for her, mow her lawn and do her yardwork in the summer and shovel her snow during the winter.  Her condition is not too bad right now but will get worse sooner than later. I may not have shared that she owns her own home and that my disabled 61 yr old brother lives with her. He does what he can for her and they look out for each other, so she is not alone. That in itself is a big help, although my brother's heath is worsening. He has congestive heart disease and other problems. I have 3 other living brothers in the area, and an oldest brother who lives out of state. My youngest brother was murdered in 1994 at age 23. My 3 brothers in the area do NOTHING to help my mother. Two of them are married with children. Their wives do not help either, even though they themselves have lost their mothers in recent years. Case in point: my mother had a pacemaker implanted last March. After she was released from the hospital, I asked my two married brothers and their wives if they wouldn't mind taking turns looking in on her at home and helping with housework, shopping, and caring for her. I said I would bathe her and dress her every day, as well as cook for her and make sure she ate. My one sister-in-law offered to come over and rearrange my mother's furniture (!). When I said that that would not be necessary, that moving my mom's furniture around might lead to my mother injuring herself, and maybe she could do her grocery shopping instead, my sister-in-law said she would do that. Well, she didn't do the shopping or anything else. She never came over to look in on my mother at all. My other sister-in-law said she would go over twice a week, on Tuesdays and Thursdays, to clean and make a meal. She came over once, visited for half an hour, left and never returned. Her husband, the brother I like the most, works insane hours, so I did not expect much from him.  My other brother, the one married to the furniture rearranger, complained about doing anything and bitterly criticized my disabled brother, the one who lives with my mom. He said "why should I have to do anything for mom, that lazy s.o.b. that lives with her can do it." My disabled brother's  lungs and heart are so weak and damaged he can't walk across a room without gasping for breath. This "compassionate" brother even stopped coming over once a month to mow the lawn like he used to do, so I mowed it all this summer. My younger unmarried brother is a parasite and drug user, so I refrained from asking his help. My point in sharing this is, even though they, for whatever valid or bogus reasons, refused to help out even after they agreed to, that did not exempt me from doing what I can to help my mom. I do what I can, when I can, and that is good enough. What others do or do not do is irrelevant. I do not have the time or energy to get caught up in "who should do" for her, or get angry when they fail to come through for her. My energy and mental health are too precious to me to play that nasty little game.

I do not think, Darcy, that you should waste your precious energy talking to your parents about this. it would fall on deaf ears anyway. You would shake up their nice little world of denial and make them feel bad, guilty, and they would certainly make you pay for that. It reminds me of  another of my favorite adages: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Taking care of aging parents or grandparents while still raising children is a common scene for people of our age. We are called the "sandwich generation." Sandwiched between our obligations to our spouses and children and our parents and grandparents. There are many helpful resources and publications available to help you figure this out. It is not an easy road to navigate. But if you do anything else, cut yourself some slack, consider all your resources and options, do not fall prey to guilt, and make a healthy, informed decision that does its best to serve yourself, your family, and your obligations. Hope I have helped you. Take care. ~J~
 
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November 30, 2006, 7:12 pm PST

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 You know that my 84 year old mother has Alzheimer's and that I do everything I can to help her; i.e. pay her bills, make sure she eats regularly, take her out shopping and to lunch/dinner, make phone calls for her, mow her lawn and do her yardwork in the summer and shovel her snow during the winter.  Her condition is not too bad right now but will get worse sooner than later. I may not have shared that she owns her own home and that my disabled 61 yr old brother lives with her. He does what he can for her and they look out for each other, so she is not alone. That in itself is a big help, although my brother's heath is worsening. He has congestive heart disease and other problems. I have 3 other living brothers in the area, and an oldest brother who lives out of state. My youngest brother was murdered in 1994 at age 23. My 3 brothers in the area do NOTHING to help my mother. Two of them are married with children. Their wives do not help either, even though they themselves have lost their mothers in recent years. Case in point: my mother had a pacemaker implanted last March. After she was released from the hospital, I asked my two married brothers and their wives if they wouldn't mind taking turns looking in on her at home and helping with housework, shopping, and caring for her. I said I would bathe her and dress her every day, as well as cook for her and make sure she ate. My one sister-in-law offered to come over and rearrange my mother's furniture (!). When I said that that would not be necessary, that moving my mom's furniture around might lead to my mother injuring herself, and maybe she could do her grocery shopping instead, my sister-in-law said she would do that. Well, she didn't do the shopping or anything else. She never came over to look in on my mother at all. My other sister-in-law said she would go over twice a week, on Tuesdays and Thursdays, to clean and make a meal. She came over once, visited for half an hour, left and never returned. Her husband, the brother I like the most, works insane hours, so I did not expect much from him.  My other brother, the one married to the furniture rearranger, complained about doing anything and bitterly criticized my disabled brother, the one who lives with my mom. He said "why should I have to do anything for mom, that lazy s.o.b. that lives with her can do it." My disabled brother's  lungs and heart are so weak and damaged he can't walk across a room without gasping for breath. This "compassionate" brother even stopped coming over once a month to mow the lawn like he used to do, so I mowed it all this summer. My younger unmarried brother is a parasite and drug user, so I refrained from asking his help. My point in sharing this is, even though they, for whatever valid or bogus reasons, refused to help out even after they agreed to, that did not exempt me from doing what I can to help my mom. I do what I can, when I can, and that is good enough. What others do or do not do is irrelevant. I do not have the time or energy to get caught up in "who should do" for her, or get angry when they fail to come through for her. My energy and mental health are too precious to me to play that nasty little game.

I do not think, Darcy, that you should waste your precious energy talking to your parents about this. it would fall on deaf ears anyway. You would shake up their nice little world of denial and make them feel bad, guilty, and they would certainly make you pay for that. It reminds me of  another of my favorite adages: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Taking care of aging parents or grandparents while still raising children is a common scene for people of our age. We are called the "sandwich generation." Sandwiched between our obligations to our spouses and children and our parents and grandparents. There are many helpful resources and publications available to help you figure this out. It is not an easy road to navigate. But if you do anything else, cut yourself some slack, consider all your resources and options, do not fall prey to guilt, and make a healthy, informed decision that does its best to serve yourself, your family, and your obligations. Hope I have helped you. Take care. J

1. I am going to have lunch with her tomorrow.

 

2. I am not going to speak to my parents again about this subject (tempted to never speak again to them at all but I am writing that in anger)

 

3. I am going to find all available resources that are available. I sure can't take this on by myself and even if someone expects it...there is reality and delusional.

 

4. I am going to pray for her (my grandmother) that she will forgive my father and her kids for their inability to be what they should. And I will pray that I can forgive them when they (my parents) need me to take care of them.

 

Thank you so very much!

 

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November 30, 2006, 11:43 pm PST

How Porn Has Affected Our Relationship

hehe, what's up everyone.  How ya'll been?  I was just thinking how the last time I was on here, we had that big religious debate and someone suggested another board to move it to.  The funny thing was that I really didn't want to get into that debate in the first place and now I'm a regular poster on that site.  Well, I just thought I'd check in and see what's new.
 
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December 1, 2006, 8:37 am PST

hello jeff.....

It is good to hear from you again, even though you are in much pain right now. Being in psychological torment is not fun, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. BUT, it can be used for a positive purpose, if you possess the courage to embrace it and use it to move to the next level. You are now feeling the fallout of the damage your porn habit and arrogance have caused yourself and your family. I can tell you that whatever pain you are now feeling has been felt a thousandfold by your wife and children. You now know that yourself. I will also tell you that it is NOT too late to repair that damage, even if it does not result in the restoration of your marriage. What you are feeling now is what I would hope my ex can someday feel, so that he can begin to repair himself, and then repair his relationship with his children and then me. Please, Jeff, get into counseling with a male therapist who has extensive experience and education with porn addiction. I think it can be the catalyst to a real "new beginning" with yourself. It will require so much from you to do this. But, I think you have it in you to do it. I believe you can. I think you owe it to yourself to try. Then, after you learn about yourself and examine your demons in a safe, controlled setting, you can then reach out to your family and offer them repair and reconciliation. I have hope for you. Keep posting. God bless you. ~J~
 
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December 1, 2006, 11:49 am PST

Jeff

 Lets see if I remember your question correctly: Sex has been an issue from basically the beginning. She has never had a lets say an active sex drive. We both would say I had/have been turned down sexually more than I have been obliged and I know her reasons would be different than why I would say why. She would say it wasn't the right time, she was too tired, I hadn't treated her right enough before hand, etc. I'm not saying I have been totally deprived. I'm saying there is no question that she controlled if she thought I was worthy of the favor. I don't mean that as meanly as it sounds, none-the-less, it is control. She got upset because I intitiated more than she thought was necessary. When I stopped initiating she was hurt that I didn't care enough about her to want to intiate. Taking no consideration that I was simply tired of being rejected.

It's my opinion, from experience and even by reading and being responded to on this forum, women believe they have a right to be treated in the ways they want to be treated in a commited relationship and men have to continually earn being treated the way they (men) want to be treated in that commited relationship. I would hope women will really think deeply about that before I get all the backlash from that statement.

The really huge problem we have dealt with is financial. For instance, we both have wanted another bathroom in this house for many years. And we have both wanted the other end finished off so it is more usable than it has been. I was not willing to forfeit the overall financial stability for what was a want rather than a necessity. She however had seen those as being necessary even though there was no hardship from them not being there. Even her seeing those as a nesecessity did not cause her to change her spending habits to get those done.

Even though we were four years away from having the house and property paid off and that money could have been put toward those projects I relented and we refinanced. We agreed with my condition(s) of the driveway being replaced, a new roof, new windows along with those projects so I would have them finally off my back. We also agreed, because those projects would be finished, there would be an accelerated payoff because those projects were no longer an issue.

Because all this was far too large for me to take on by myself she wanted to hire the husband of a friend of hers that worked in construction, had had a roofing business, and had worked in concrete for many years. I voiced my reluctance to hire this man because I believed the jobs would not be done in a professional manner and we would be stuck with poorly done jobs. She insisted she would make sure it was done completely and professionally through her connection to his wife and they needed the money. To make her happy I, again, relented. My worse fears were realized. We did not get the entire job(s) contracted for done and what was done was like pulling meat away from a hungry tiger; and the budget for inside of the house was destroyed. Now I am left with what hasn't been done and what else has to be done. In her eyes it still has to be done, so.... Suing for it would be like Enron employees getting their retirement money back. And because those projects still have to be done, the accelerated payoff becomes nothing more than a dream.

I'm sure it's not just me that it's extrememly hurtful to to realize that I have to regularily earn being treated the way I want ot be treated and it's a right and expected for her to be treated the way she thinks she should be treated. Never have I experienced behavior unacceptable to me being changed for no other reason than it hurts me. From anyone, male or female. I can't say that I know any man who has experienced it either.

Women just have a better support system to buttress thier feelings so they don't have to discover the darker side of their behavior. If it doesn't feel good, don't do it.

For better or worse, for richer or poorer expires after the rings have been exchanged.

P.S. This is no more sexist than how women express how they have experienced the way men act.
 
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