Topic : Pornography

Quote From: turkalurk

all this stuff sounds so familiar, have you ever posted here before under another username?  Long winded post, lost to consider, a lil sexist, but understandable after I'll the pain you've obviously been through. Can I ask in  what ways has porn affected your life personally?  I might respond again tommorrow when my mind is fresh.  You make alot of assertions that seemed to be based on assumptions.  I'll grant you there might be some exagerated truth to it.   I could tell you put alot into it.   I don't think many people would say that porn has helped our society overall, but there might be some cases they do.  If you can reword things to present your ideas more objectively, I think it would be more persuasive.   Also, I'm not sure what you are suggesting.  What are you solutions, to just stop supporting porn?  What are your plans for your crusade against the porn industry, to convince people on message boards to stop using porn, and to encourage women to become stronger?  Not downplaying your stradegy it thats it, I'm just suggesting some things you could elaborate on.    Anyway, it was nice to meet you, and you seem like a sincere person with a good heart. 

Quote From: turkalurk

all this stuff sounds so familiar, have you ever posted here before under another username?  Long winded post, lost to consider, a lil sexist, but understandable after I'll the pain you've obviously been through. Can I ask in  what ways has porn affected your life personally?  I might respond again tommorrow when my mind is fresh.  You make alot of assertions that seemed to be based on assumptions.  I'll grant you there might be some exagerated truth to it.   I could tell you put alot into it.   I don't think many people would say that porn has helped our society overall, but there might be some cases they do.  If you can reword things to present your ideas more objectively, I think it would be more persuasive.   Also, I'm not sure what you are suggesting.  What are you solutions, to just stop supporting porn?  What are your plans for your crusade against the porn industry, to convince people on message boards to stop using porn, and to encourage women to become stronger?  Not downplaying your stradegy it thats it, I'm just suggesting some things you could elaborate on.    Anyway, it was nice to meet you, and you seem like a sincere person with a good heart. 

Quote From: passiton2

Does it take a tragedy with this to bring someone here?  First, I am new, what is your take on this?  What happened in your life to put the veil over your eyes that you can't see your own surroundings, your own society for what it is?  Please, don't be so obvious with your words when trying to coax someone into this trap of concern only to bombard them with your opinions of how wonderful porn has been for your life.

 

How wonderful has porn been for your life, mine or anyone's?  What does it offer, better yet, what has it replaced?  You are also making several assumptions with very little knowledge of who I am or where I have been.   You assume that something has to have happened for me to see things the way I do.   Yet, offer me some insight as to why you see things as you do.  Do you support pornography?  Are you a user of this product?  Why?  Did it teach you about sex? Relationships?  Did it replace something you were not taught by your upbringing?  What purpose does it serve for you or for anyone for that matter?

 

"Encourage women to be stronger" you ask, so can I assume you are a man ?  To make women stronger?????  Are women strong inside the world of porn?  To them "seem" strong to you???  Or let me guess, it is only the women who support, watch, promote and use porn "freely" within their lives that make them "strong".     I have to laugh typing that, if women actually were empowered with the use and promotion of pornography, there would not be so many women on these boards right now.  All of them with own personal stories and secrets as to why they spend their days on this particular board trying to convince themselves that they are strong.

 

Thank you for your words.  They seemed very kind.  To answer you, not a crusader, not a victim either, not trying to change your mind, not trying to set any records straight, just putting out some facts along with my intelligent opinion because I do in fact, walk this earth, with my eyes open everyday and see it.

 

Thx

 

Quote From: bmoreselfish


I doubt he will be generous in his answers to you, as you haven't really told us your personal situation. What makes you so strong?, if you are to claim that women on this board are trying to convince themselves that they are strong. All I see is your dislike of it. You offer nothing when it comes to practical solutions to the problem.

Quote From: passiton2

Does it take a tragedy with this to bring someone here?  First, I am new, what is your take on this?  What happened in your life to put the veil over your eyes that you can't see your own surroundings, your own society for what it is?  Please, don't be so obvious with your words when trying to coax someone into this trap of concern only to bombard them with your opinions of how wonderful porn has been for your life.

 

How wonderful has porn been for your life, mine or anyone's?  What does it offer, better yet, what has it replaced?  You are also making several assumptions with very little knowledge of who I am or where I have been.   You assume that something has to have happened for me to see things the way I do.   Yet, offer me some insight as to why you see things as you do.  Do you support pornography?  Are you a user of this product?  Why?  Did it teach you about sex? Relationships?  Did it replace something you were not taught by your upbringing?  What purpose does it serve for you or for anyone for that matter?

 

"Encourage women to be stronger" you ask, so can I assume you are a man ?  To make women stronger?????  Are women strong inside the world of porn?  To them "seem" strong to you???  Or let me guess, it is only the women who support, watch, promote and use porn "freely" within their lives that make them "strong".     I have to laugh typing that, if women actually were empowered with the use and promotion of pornography, there would not be so many women on these boards right now.  All of them with own personal stories and secrets as to why they spend their days on this particular board trying to convince themselves that they are strong.

 

Thank you for your words.  They seemed very kind.  To answer you, not a crusader, not a victim either, not trying to change your mind, not trying to set any records straight, just putting out some facts along with my intelligent opinion because I do in fact, walk this earth, with my eyes open everyday and see it.

 

Thx

 

Quote From: turkalurk

wow, you've got some built up hostility.  

 

Does it take a tragedy with this to bring someone here? 

 

For someone to get as worked up and hostile as you seem to be, yes, there is usually some "pain" involved.  I see you have a hard time not exagerating and going overboard with things as you changed my wording into "tradegy." 

 

First, I am new, what is your take on this? 

 

Well, like you mentioned without ever rebuking, I believe the current problem with porn, is more of a symptom of the problems within our culture and society.  Problems with overstimulation in general, problems with sexual exploitation in general, problems with selfishness in general.  I don't think porn is inherently evil in and of itself.  I don't think that viewing porn is necessarily harmful to everyone who uses it, although I think it has a negative impact on any relationship that doesn't involve the desire of BOTH individuals to have it in their life.  I think it overal has a negative impact on our society.  I think that hard core in most cases should be considered prostitution.  I think alot of young women are being exploited and taking advantage of, but some of them think they are taking advantage of the system.  I think people are different with each sex, and when you stereotype people you lose credibility by showing bias.   I think porn needs to have stronger regulations, and it would be easier to inforce them if porn had its own domain like .porn   I think people should protect their kids more from their television.  But, I also think that our advertising uses way too much sex to sell everything.  I think our society places way too much importance on cheap thrills, and getting laid. 

 

What happened in your life to put the veil over your eyes that you can't see your own surroundings, your own society for what it is?  Please, don't be so obvious with your words when trying to coax someone into this trap of concern only to bombard them with your opinions of how wonderful porn has been for your life?

 

How wonderful has porn been for your life, mine or anyone's?  What does it offer, better yet, what has it replaced?  You are also making several assumptions with very little knowledge of who I am or where I have been.   You assume that something has to have happened for me to see things the way I do.   Yet, offer me some insight as to why you see things as you do.  Do you support pornography?  Are you a user of this product?  Why?  Did it teach you about sex? Relationships?  Did it replace something you were not taught by your upbringing?  What purpose does it serve for you or for anyone for that matter?

 

um ok, maybe you should read this over again, and try to imagine yourself as the person your speaking to.  What would you think about these questions if someone else had posed them to you in the manner you did?  Then, if you reword these wuestions without trying to anwer them for me, maybe I'll grant you some answers.  I use soft porn sometimes to assist in masturbation.  I get off quicker with more stimulation.  I do not need the extra stimulation, but I get off quicker with it.  I have not used porn in a relationship, nor do I plan to, unless my future girlfriend asks me to watch some with her.  I find that I would rather masturbate to soft porn, then to have one night stands or to settle for less then I'm after relationship-wise.

 

"Encourage women to be stronger" you ask, so can I assume you are a man ?  To make women stronger?????  Are women strong inside the world of porn?  To them "seem" strong to you???  Or let me guess, it is only the women who support, watch, promote and use porn "freely" within their lives that make them "strong".     I have to laugh typing that, if women actually were empowered with the use and promotion of pornography, there would not be so many women on these boards right now.  All of them with own personal stories and secrets as to why they spend their days on this particular board trying to convince themselves that they are strong.

 

this is something you should probably read over again.  I'm not really sure what you're after here, and its obvious that you have misconstrued my posts.  I think someone who stays with their husband when he refuses to consider her feelings needs to gain the strength to leave his ass.  Thats what I meant by encourage women to be stronger.

 

Thank you for your words.  They seemed very kind.  To answer you, not a crusader, not a victim either, not trying to change your mind, not trying to set any records straight, just putting out some facts along with my intelligent opinion because I do in fact, walk this earth, with my eyes open everyday and see it.

 

I think you are a crusader in your own way, and there is nothing wrong with that.  I find it odd that you haven't personally been affected by porn, yet you come to this site and only post on the porn boards.  It leads me to feel, that you aren't being completely honest, open, and upfront about things.  Anyway, its nice to meet you, and thanks for sharing your perspective with us.

Quote From: turkalurk

wow, you've got some built up hostility.  

 

Does it take a tragedy with this to bring someone here? 

 

For someone to get as worked up and hostile as you seem to be, yes, there is usually some "pain" involved.  I see you have a hard time not exagerating and going overboard with things as you changed my wording into "tradegy." 

 

First, I am new, what is your take on this? 

 

Well, like you mentioned without ever rebuking, I believe the current problem with porn, is more of a symptom of the problems within our culture and society.  Problems with overstimulation in general, problems with sexual exploitation in general, problems with selfishness in general.  I don't think porn is inherently evil in and of itself.  I don't think that viewing porn is necessarily harmful to everyone who uses it, although I think it has a negative impact on any relationship that doesn't involve the desire of BOTH individuals to have it in their life.  I think it overal has a negative impact on our society.  I think that hard core in most cases should be considered prostitution.  I think alot of young women are being exploited and taking advantage of, but some of them think they are taking advantage of the system.  I think people are different with each sex, and when you stereotype people you lose credibility by showing bias.   I think porn needs to have stronger regulations, and it would be easier to inforce them if porn had its own domain like .porn   I think people should protect their kids more from their television.  But, I also think that our advertising uses way too much sex to sell everything.  I think our society places way too much importance on cheap thrills, and getting laid. 

 

What happened in your life to put the veil over your eyes that you can't see your own surroundings, your own society for what it is?  Please, don't be so obvious with your words when trying to coax someone into this trap of concern only to bombard them with your opinions of how wonderful porn has been for your life?

 

How wonderful has porn been for your life, mine or anyone's?  What does it offer, better yet, what has it replaced?  You are also making several assumptions with very little knowledge of who I am or where I have been.   You assume that something has to have happened for me to see things the way I do.   Yet, offer me some insight as to why you see things as you do.  Do you support pornography?  Are you a user of this product?  Why?  Did it teach you about sex? Relationships?  Did it replace something you were not taught by your upbringing?  What purpose does it serve for you or for anyone for that matter?

 

um ok, maybe you should read this over again, and try to imagine yourself as the person your speaking to.  What would you think about these questions if someone else had posed them to you in the manner you did?  Then, if you reword these wuestions without trying to anwer them for me, maybe I'll grant you some answers.  I use soft porn sometimes to assist in masturbation.  I get off quicker with more stimulation.  I do not need the extra stimulation, but I get off quicker with it.  I have not used porn in a relationship, nor do I plan to, unless my future girlfriend asks me to watch some with her.  I find that I would rather masturbate to soft porn, then to have one night stands or to settle for less then I'm after relationship-wise.

 

"Encourage women to be stronger" you ask, so can I assume you are a man ?  To make women stronger?????  Are women strong inside the world of porn?  To them "seem" strong to you???  Or let me guess, it is only the women who support, watch, promote and use porn "freely" within their lives that make them "strong".     I have to laugh typing that, if women actually were empowered with the use and promotion of pornography, there would not be so many women on these boards right now.  All of them with own personal stories and secrets as to why they spend their days on this particular board trying to convince themselves that they are strong.

 

this is something you should probably read over again.  I'm not really sure what you're after here, and its obvious that you have misconstrued my posts.  I think someone who stays with their husband when he refuses to consider her feelings needs to gain the strength to leave his ass.  Thats what I meant by encourage women to be stronger.

 

Thank you for your words.  They seemed very kind.  To answer you, not a crusader, not a victim either, not trying to change your mind, not trying to set any records straight, just putting out some facts along with my intelligent opinion because I do in fact, walk this earth, with my eyes open everyday and see it.

 

I think you are a crusader in your own way, and there is nothing wrong with that.  I find it odd that you haven't personally been affected by porn, yet you come to this site and only post on the porn boards.  It leads me to feel, that you aren't being completely honest, open, and upfront about things.  Anyway, its nice to meet you, and thanks for sharing your perspective with us.

Quote From: passiton2

You offer nothing when it comes to practical solutions to the problem.

 

So obviously you also see "this" as a problem too.  Correct? Am I only permitted here if I come up with solutions for someone else's problems, yours perhaps?

 

And yes, I am also proud to say I "dislike" pornography, the entire industry .  I take it that you don't dislike it then, am I correct?   From what I have read recently, I don't see much offered in any of these solutions you are requesting that I come up with, coming from you either.    What I have read in recent boards like this one is a bunch of women being advocates for porn, as if there is something to be said in numbers of those joining the war they feel they have already lost.  After all, everyone does it, don't they?  If you can't beat it out of your marriage, join in.

 

Nothing said about daughters, sons, any obligations to values that set people apart from the society that jams sex down the throats of our children as if that is all they are to be valued for these days.  Nothing else matters, and more and more you can see the words of people who are parents saying "this is not a bad thing".   According to some I've read on this very board, women are literally attacked with words of insecurity and judgment if they don't march to the same tune the promoters of porn would like them to.  Literal bullying into submission to their lack of standards. Yet when someone comes here with an opposite opinion, based on facts, this is what is returned to them.

 

I can totally understand the mentality, I mean that is what porn does want and what porn does eventually do to the weak minded.   It portrays it's glamor and those too blind to see beyond that don't see the tragedy inside it.  Nor can they see outside their own box, they only see what instant gratification they achieve with it.  To go beyond that would have to require that term "open mind" that so many throw around these days.  

 

The fact is, only the strongest of strong women and men live in successfully bliss sexually fulfilled marriages with their partners when they learn honesty, and intimacy within themselves without the use and abuse of other human beings for their own weaknesses and inabilities to achieve sexual satisfaction with themselves and their marriages.  Those are truly the weakest, and eventually the divorce rate includes them, as it should, since they are actually cheating on one another.

Quote From: passiton2

But no, I have had no problems with pornography personally.  But I do have the same freedoms that you and anyone else does to visit these boards.

 

You apparently have no issues with porn inside your life.  And you are here, from what I see, pretty much all the time.  So go figure that one out.