Topic : Pornography

Quote From: bmoreselfish


I agree with your question about the strategies Turk. Thats what we should be focusing on. Its seems too much like a witch hunt if we are going to keep being overly emotional about it. Fact is there are lots of guys out there doing it ... and girls;), and there is a story to both sides. I believe she is suggesting that people just make the choice to not accept it in their home, inside their relationships, or in their family. Those are pretty variable situations, and I dont have a family yet, although the development of a young child is a whole other kettle of fish that needs to be considered. She wants people to pass it on, their hatred of the objectification of women. She wants people to stand up for themselves. I think just stating the problem leaves alot unanswered too. She does bring up a good point about why we dont really have too much of a focus on the censorship of this material. Definitely when you compare it to what we have for Drugs etc. Maybe there is some psychological link, that is stopping everyone. Maybe its an evolutionary one? haha. I've just always wondered about the "rose colored glasses" phenomenon, and how crazy people get when it comes to relationships and sex etc.

Quote From: passiton2

But no, I have had no problems with pornography personally.  But I do have the same freedoms that you and anyone else does to visit these boards.

 

You apparently have no issues with porn inside your life.  And you are here, from what I see, pretty much all the time.  So go figure that one out.

Quote From: passiton2

I can't possibly know anything about your personal struggles with porn nor the other person responding, because the history of this board goes way back and I would literally have to spend hours looking up your posts, which I have no interest to do right now.

 

I don't offer my history with anything to you or anyone else, because it really would not matter.  I have read enough here to know what responses I would receive anyway.  Therefore, my past with this is fairly insignificant considering the past responses I have seen given to women on here.   I believe there is another board for that isn't there.    But don't be too curious, I would not present myself there with that information either, we both know what would become of that.

 

Putting it simply so that you can understand. Porn is immoral, wrong in every sense of the word.  It is degrading to sex, both male and females.  Has done nothing positive for our society, not to mention the world we raise our children.  It's done more harm to little children growing up today than you will allow your mind to comprehend.

Quote From: PennyLane78

You get to decide what is "moral"?

Quote From: redfeathers

Putting it simply so that you can understand. Porn is immoral, wrong in every sense of the word.  It is degrading to sex, both male and females.  Has done nothing positive for our society, not to mention the world we raise our children.  It's done more harm to little children growing up today than you will allow your mind to comprehend.

 

What about married couples who record themselves having sex for their own enjoyment? That's called home-made porn.

 

What about a woman who takes sexy nude pictures of herself for her husband or boyfriend and sends them to him because he is in the military and can't have her in person?

 

What about my boyfriend and I, who draw porn for eachother, of eachother?

 

What about when a consenting couple buys a porn DVD together with intent to watch it together for enjoyment together?

 

What about a wife/girlfriend who buys a magazine or dvd for her SO's birthday as a suprise?

 

All these things you aren't considering. At all. It's almost as if you deny they even happen. That there's no possible way that these things could even exist. Porn does less harm than you insist it does. It can be enjoyable by consenting adults, who are responsible and know how to excercise control and set limits and boundaries. Both men and women watch it, both men and women enjoy it, and not every single person who ever used porn exposes it to children. That's a humongous blanket statement, and an unrealistic generalization.

 

You really should try opening your mind just enough to consider that maybe porn isn't always bad, and ins't always going to mean the demoralization and destruction of someone's life. My boyfriend is a good person. He's one of the most caring, smart, and loving persons I've ever met. That's why I fell in love with him. He and I share porn. Does that make him an immoral and bad person? No. In fact, it's added some spark to our relationship, one which we have been in for almost 2 years and he and I were both virgins the first time we had sex. See? Porn has not made him an immoral person, nor has it destroyed our sex life. Also, I have a three-year-old niece that has never been exposed to porn. Never. She's doing just fine.

 

I think you are scared to admit that you might be wrong about some aspects of porn.

Quote From: PennyLane78

"What about my boyfriend and I, who draw porn for eachother, of eachother?"

That is really sweet! Aww!!

"I think you are scared to admit that you might be wrong about some aspects of porn."

When someone's been burned very badly they can get and irrational fear of fire...

Quote From: turkalurk

I think its just people are moe comfortable talking to their kids about drugs than they are about sexuality.  Its more of a taboo topic.  Much easier to focus on drugs which present a more direct and dangerous threat.  The big thing I see here, is that drugs actually kill people, where as porn just has a potential for psychological/emotional harm.  People also don't place enough stress on eating healthy, proper parenting, gambling, or anger management for example.  And, some could argue they all pose a greater threat than porn does.  So, there are many reasons why porn takes a backseat to dangers like drugs.

Quote From: passiton2

You offer nothing when it comes to practical solutions to the problem.

 

So obviously you also see "this" as a problem too.  Correct? Am I only permitted here if I come up with solutions for someone else's problems, yours perhaps?

 

And yes, I am also proud to say I "dislike" pornography, the entire industry .  I take it that you don't dislike it then, am I correct?   From what I have read recently, I don't see much offered in any of these solutions you are requesting that I come up with, coming from you either.    What I have read in recent boards like this one is a bunch of women being advocates for porn, as if there is something to be said in numbers of those joining the war they feel they have already lost.  After all, everyone does it, don't they?  If you can't beat it out of your marriage, join in.

 

Nothing said about daughters, sons, any obligations to values that set people apart from the society that jams sex down the throats of our children as if that is all they are to be valued for these days.  Nothing else matters, and more and more you can see the words of people who are parents saying "this is not a bad thing".   According to some I've read on this very board, women are literally attacked with words of insecurity and judgment if they don't march to the same tune the promoters of porn would like them to.  Literal bullying into submission to their lack of standards. Yet when someone comes here with an opposite opinion, based on facts, this is what is returned to them.

 

I can totally understand the mentality, I mean that is what porn does want and what porn does eventually do to the weak minded.   It portrays it's glamor and those too blind to see beyond that don't see the tragedy inside it.  Nor can they see outside their own box, they only see what instant gratification they achieve with it.  To go beyond that would have to require that term "open mind" that so many throw around these days.  

 

The fact is, only the strongest of strong women and men live in successfully bliss sexually fulfilled marriages with their partners when they learn honesty, and intimacy within themselves without the use and abuse of other human beings for their own weaknesses and inabilities to achieve sexual satisfaction with themselves and their marriages.  Those are truly the weakest, and eventually the divorce rate includes them, as it should, since they are actually cheating on one another.

Quote From: passiton2

You offer nothing when it comes to practical solutions to the problem.

 

So obviously you also see "this" as a problem too.  Correct? Am I only permitted here if I come up with solutions for someone else's problems, yours perhaps?

 

And yes, I am also proud to say I "dislike" pornography, the entire industry .  I take it that you don't dislike it then, am I correct?   From what I have read recently, I don't see much offered in any of these solutions you are requesting that I come up with, coming from you either.    What I have read in recent boards like this one is a bunch of women being advocates for porn, as if there is something to be said in numbers of those joining the war they feel they have already lost.  After all, everyone does it, don't they?  If you can't beat it out of your marriage, join in.

 

Nothing said about daughters, sons, any obligations to values that set people apart from the society that jams sex down the throats of our children as if that is all they are to be valued for these days.  Nothing else matters, and more and more you can see the words of people who are parents saying "this is not a bad thing".   According to some I've read on this very board, women are literally attacked with words of insecurity and judgment if they don't march to the same tune the promoters of porn would like them to.  Literal bullying into submission to their lack of standards. Yet when someone comes here with an opposite opinion, based on facts, this is what is returned to them.

 

I can totally understand the mentality, I mean that is what porn does want and what porn does eventually do to the weak minded.   It portrays it's glamor and those too blind to see beyond that don't see the tragedy inside it.  Nor can they see outside their own box, they only see what instant gratification they achieve with it.  To go beyond that would have to require that term "open mind" that so many throw around these days.  

 

The fact is, only the strongest of strong women and men live in successfully bliss sexually fulfilled marriages with their partners when they learn honesty, and intimacy within themselves without the use and abuse of other human beings for their own weaknesses and inabilities to achieve sexual satisfaction with themselves and their marriages.  Those are truly the weakest, and eventually the divorce rate includes them, as it should, since they are actually cheating on one another.