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September 17, 2008, 11:04 am PDT

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Please re-read my statement on that subject.  I said nothing about anything being wrong with a choice of taking birth control or not.  I think women should definitely have that choice over their lives.  I used that as an example of who twisted it is that this may not be covered by some insurance companies and yet the prescriptions for viagra are very often covered.    Can you not see that?

 

Also, yes erectile dysfunction if very real.   The sad fact is a LOT of these prescriptions are sold black market to very very young men who have no ED what so ever.  Although, all the factual writings on this could be incorrect.  Study them for yourself.   My comment was only the comparison of the insurance companies value of women vs. men.  (Also written about extensively).

 

Please read the intent of the comments, they are in no way judgemental towards anyone.

You are misinterpreting my message.  Nothing is wrong with people who want insurance to pay for birth control.  Why should they pay for it.  Insurance is for when something goes wrong.  When there is a medical condition.  Do you get the argument now?  You don't need to remove the foreskin, nothing is medically wrong with keeping it.  Nothing is medically wrong with a person who can get pregnant, there is no medical need for birth control.
 
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September 17, 2008, 12:02 pm PDT

Medical versus elective

There are some women who have very irregular and painful periods, so it may be medically necessary in their case. There are some men who apparently do have problems with their foreskin being too tight or uncommonly prone to infections, so that would be medical. But I think the wide-spread practice of cosmetic circumcision is an elective procedure, but most parents think it is inevitable and required, and don't even question why it's done. It is also a shame that it is assumed that a natural penis looks "gross" or unattractive, just because it is not as common or in main-stream porn. From the pics I've seen, they look virtually the same to me when they are erect.

As far as my husband, I think he is in the "doing it to fit in" camp, and hasn't put much thought into it. He is cut, and I think it is a problem for his sensitivity. I got on here originally to discuss his use of porn and masturbation, what I see as a problem in my particular situation. (if you are interested in my business, I first posted on "How porn has hurt" August 28, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT, under page 13).

Basically, it seems he does it whenever I am not at the house. We have not had the TALK yet, because he's been out of town since Gustav. From what I've read, circumcised guys are desensitized, so they masturbate more and ask for oral and anal sex more, and are rougher strokers during intercourse and make their women dry--ALL I have experienced with hubby-poo.
I think he asked for anal one of the first few times we had sex, like it was nothing. None of my other partners ever had asked before, and his non-chalantness took me aback. Maybe he was just testing the waters with me.
So now that I get to obsess about this, and all the pain and hurt, I was just curious about the correlation between circumcision and masturbation and porn and sexual dysfunction. Are all these circumcised men getting even more desensitized because of internet porn and all the other great sexual outlets modern technology can bring? The more I think about it, the more unnatural it seems. If I can save my son and his lovers any of this crap, and make his sex life better, why not? Yes, I picture my baby as a grown up. This parent crap isn't easy... who knows, he may turn out to be a "freak" either way. Bottom line, I want get as much info as possible, and fix the home-life so my kid is spared getting affected by our stupid actions...as much as possible. I am sorry, I am a thinker and writer and look for connections in everything.
 
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September 17, 2008, 12:32 pm PDT

You got it.....

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There are some women who have very irregular and painful periods, so it may be medically necessary in their case. There are some men who apparently do have problems with their foreskin being too tight or uncommonly prone to infections, so that would be medical. But I think the wide-spread practice of cosmetic circumcision is an elective procedure, but most parents think it is inevitable and required, and don't even question why it's done. It is also a shame that it is assumed that a natural penis looks "gross" or unattractive, just because it is not as common or in main-stream porn. From the pics I've seen, they look virtually the same to me when they are erect.

As far as my husband, I think he is in the "doing it to fit in" camp, and hasn't put much thought into it. He is cut, and I think it is a problem for his sensitivity. I got on here originally to discuss his use of porn and masturbation, what I see as a problem in my particular situation. (if you are interested in my business, I first posted on "How porn has hurt" August 28, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT, under page 13).

Basically, it seems he does it whenever I am not at the house. We have not had the TALK yet, because he's been out of town since Gustav. From what I've read, circumcised guys are desensitized, so they masturbate more and ask for oral and anal sex more, and are rougher strokers during intercourse and make their women dry--ALL I have experienced with hubby-poo.
I think he asked for anal one of the first few times we had sex, like it was nothing. None of my other partners ever had asked before, and his non-chalantness took me aback. Maybe he was just testing the waters with me.
So now that I get to obsess about this, and all the pain and hurt, I was just curious about the correlation between circumcision and masturbation and porn and sexual dysfunction. Are all these circumcised men getting even more desensitized because of internet porn and all the other great sexual outlets modern technology can bring? The more I think about it, the more unnatural it seems. If I can save my son and his lovers any of this crap, and make his sex life better, why not? Yes, I picture my baby as a grown up. This parent crap isn't easy... who knows, he may turn out to be a "freak" either way. Bottom line, I want get as much info as possible, and fix the home-life so my kid is spared getting affected by our stupid actions...as much as possible. I am sorry, I am a thinker and writer and look for connections in everything.

Are all these circumcised men getting even more desensitized because of internet porn and all the other great sexual outlets modern technology can bring?

 

It's the porn, not the circumcision.   Stop looking for excuses for him....there are none.

 

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September 17, 2008, 12:37 pm PDT

Pornography

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There are some women who have very irregular and painful periods, so it may be medically necessary in their case. There are some men who apparently do have problems with their foreskin being too tight or uncommonly prone to infections, so that would be medical. But I think the wide-spread practice of cosmetic circumcision is an elective procedure, but most parents think it is inevitable and required, and don't even question why it's done. It is also a shame that it is assumed that a natural penis looks "gross" or unattractive, just because it is not as common or in main-stream porn. From the pics I've seen, they look virtually the same to me when they are erect.

As far as my husband, I think he is in the "doing it to fit in" camp, and hasn't put much thought into it. He is cut, and I think it is a problem for his sensitivity. I got on here originally to discuss his use of porn and masturbation, what I see as a problem in my particular situation. (if you are interested in my business, I first posted on "How porn has hurt" August 28, 2008, 8:38 pm PDT, under page 13).

Basically, it seems he does it whenever I am not at the house. We have not had the TALK yet, because he's been out of town since Gustav. From what I've read, circumcised guys are desensitized, so they masturbate more and ask for oral and anal sex more, and are rougher strokers during intercourse and make their women dry--ALL I have experienced with hubby-poo.
I think he asked for anal one of the first few times we had sex, like it was nothing. None of my other partners ever had asked before, and his non-chalantness took me aback. Maybe he was just testing the waters with me.
So now that I get to obsess about this, and all the pain and hurt, I was just curious about the correlation between circumcision and masturbation and porn and sexual dysfunction. Are all these circumcised men getting even more desensitized because of internet porn and all the other great sexual outlets modern technology can bring? The more I think about it, the more unnatural it seems. If I can save my son and his lovers any of this crap, and make his sex life better, why not? Yes, I picture my baby as a grown up. This parent crap isn't easy... who knows, he may turn out to be a "freak" either way. Bottom line, I want get as much info as possible, and fix the home-life so my kid is spared getting affected by our stupid actions...as much as possible. I am sorry, I am a thinker and writer and look for connections in everything.

I don't think your right about the whole blaming circumcision for the problems with porn.  I did a little research and it seems there are many benefits to it. 

 

http://www.circinfo.net/pdfs/CircBioEssays07.pdf

 
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September 17, 2008, 1:27 pm PDT

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I do not think circumcision should be banned because of porn use or masturbation!

I'm just saying, studies show circumcised men do partake more in these activities than natural men. Before looking into circumcision, I never thought about cut men being less sensitive than uncut--leading the cut men to more extreme outlets for sexual gratification. I think it's interesting and probably something not many people think of.

The million dollar question is: Are circumcised boys and men needlessly missing out on something that natural men get to enjoy---their foreskin?!!

Some men after adult cosmetic circumcision say it is the biggest of their life. Others who had real problems say it is better in general after. Their positives, besides helping whatever medical/physical problem, are longer stamina during intercourse due to decreased sensitivity and easier to care for. Some report erectile dysfunction.

This is new to me and I find it interesting and worthy of attention, if someone is looking into the pros and cons of circumcision, even in serious study. I do find irony in the fact that circumcision became widespread in America to prevent masturbation.

I do not have or make any excuses for my husband's porn use or masturbation. I think you are reading me all wrong. He's in big trouble with me, and I am having a hard time balancing my anger and my deep desire to get help for us without attacking and pointing fingers. I have done that enough and it has never helped anything. Madness is doing the same thing over expecting different results. Sick of feeling like I'M crazy.

I have thought for a while that he is desensitized, regardless of the reason or combination of reasons.

It may seem hypocritical, but I view hubby's porn use on my time as a personal affront to me, while at the same time, as an intellectual, I am looking at this objectively from a sociological and scientific view and probably psycho-analyzing my husband, his [horrible] childhood and sexual experiences in the process.
 
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September 17, 2008, 1:54 pm PDT

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Thank you for the article. If you read a con article, it will refute and argue all the information provided. Like penile cancer in men is
 
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September 17, 2008, 2:50 pm PDT

Just out of curiosity.

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I think that is through fear. I probably would have thought the same way as you had I not seen that there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, i think it would be a disappointment for me to be with a penis that is not the way it should be. I guess either way it doesn't matter. I just think its crazy to circumcise based on ... what? .... appearance???? Perhaps you should have a look at what one looks like when its erect, and you might see things differently. Why would you take away a protective covering. I'd feel robbed if I grew up as a circumcised boy.

Oh, and for the husband that worries about his son being picked on, geez ... I hope his son grows up to have a strong back bone and has a sense of self that is not defined by fitting in and what idiots think in the playground

I have read in the past that having it circumcised actually protects it better from many things and also is a cleaner way to live in general. Is this true? Hense the reason why I would think that circumcision is  the best way to go. Just
 
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September 17, 2008, 2:55 pm PDT

it cut me off somwhow...

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I think that is through fear. I probably would have thought the same way as you had I not seen that there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, i think it would be a disappointment for me to be with a penis that is not the way it should be. I guess either way it doesn't matter. I just think its crazy to circumcise based on ... what? .... appearance???? Perhaps you should have a look at what one looks like when its erect, and you might see things differently. Why would you take away a protective covering. I'd feel robbed if I grew up as a circumcised boy.

Oh, and for the husband that worries about his son being picked on, geez ... I hope his son grows up to have a strong back bone and has a sense of self that is not defined by fitting in and what idiots think in the playground

It has nothing to do with appearance for me in the slightest.
 
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September 17, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

How?

Quote From: turkalurk

I think its bullshit.  I was pissed when I found out that ehre was nothing wrong with keeping the foreskin. I don;t think my parents should of had that right.  Given the choice, I would have never chosen to cut a piece of my penis off to make it look better.  So, if I ever have a son, I'll definitely give him the choice. 
How could you give your son the choice when he is a baby? OR can you seriously wait till you are older to do so? - Just curious not arguing.-
 
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September 17, 2008, 3:14 pm PDT

Let it be!!

Quote From: passiton2

You have no idea where this relationship will take you. Pure and simple there is no way you could know for certain.  we have all lived through that kind of life.  I don't discredit your relationship, you do, so does he.  That is what you do at your age.  Take for granted that all is just great and will never change. But it will and so will the changes you go through.  That is exactly what I am saying.   

 

You are not as old as I am, that is factual.  I can see, and totally understand where you are today, right now, but you can not possibly see or understand where I have been because you have not lived it.   There is no shame in that, it's just fact.  I am simply saying what you feel and think today is not, or will not be the same as it will be right now, at my age.  I USED to think like you.  But life's experiences no longer allow me to believe as you do right now....because I do know better.  That is simply the way it is. 

 

For me to lie to you and tell you differently is just that....lying to you.   And I would not lie to you anymore than I would lie to my own children.

 

And your last question.....yes, I have been punched in the face. Smack dab right in the middle. More than once.  And I learned something, depending on who was doing the hitting (punching, literally and not so literally) , I most certainly learned something each and every time it happened.  Today, thankfully, I did learn.  You should as well.

 

 

We all understand, your life situation and hers as well, now can we just let it go? We are all different and have all lived different lives. Maybe some "so called" better the others, others "so called" not so better then others. We all live and learn through them all. Lets not tell each other "I know more then you" or " You haven't grown up yet" etc. it's all childish. Let us please move on.
 

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