Topic : Pornography

Let me rephrase my comment, since it offended you.  

Sometimes you will see there are basically two types of people in this world.  There are those who follow the crowd, keep up with the "jones",  do and believe one day with the popular views of the world they live in and only do so while those trends are popular.   When things go bad, their choices may change to suit any given situation, but always always, what others are believing and doing in the moment becomes their belief system.  This is what , in my opinion is weak.   Weak to the point where it weakens even their relationships.  This, in my opinion, is how porn also weakens women specifically inside their relationships.   I mean lets face this, porn is designated to be more male oriented than female oriented.  Woman are always submissive to the demands of the male counter part, and so on.  Is this not true?  Yes it is, that is not opinion, it's fact.   But women, (today more so than ever before) are supporters of this because some have even been "brainwashed" into believing that this is better than having their b/f's or husbands literally cheat on them.    That to me is weak.  Very much so.   It is also saying that men are also weak, when promoting this inside relationships.  As if men can't or won't commit to "just them", that this is a necessity inside lives today because the world has convince some that they have to have porn in order to "keep" their relationships happy or content.    So who is saying who is weak.   Are, or is our society so weak in your opinion that they are now unable to be in relationships without something outside of themselves to keep the romance/sex life going for years to come?  

Then you have those who resist, rebel and take a stand against what is popular,  the majority vote only stays the majority while things are good to them.   They stand on what is their belief system.  They don't allow others to convince them that their moral beliefs are incorrect or "outdated" or "close minded".   They believe as they do from the experience they themselves have, and they usually learned from them.   They are comfortable in resisting what others say is right for them.  Just as you are stating about me, isn't that what you would like everyone to do with you....agree with you, uphold your own standards of what you say is right?

For you my words are condensending or wrong.  But when you speak your opinion, it is just that, an opinion and that makes it ok.   Either way, I had no intention of insulting anyone, although this board, from what I have read, didn't take me to appear here to begin that process.

Just as you are entitled to be here and classify your opinion on pornography, so am I .  If I state something other than what you believe in, that is my opinion.  I am not forcing you to believe "as I do".  I am just as entitled to speak mine. 

I can also disagree with others and not take that to be a personal attack on me.  You obviously cannot.  There is nothing wrong with people debating facts or opinions.  I do speak a lot based on proven facts about pornography and it's impact on our society.  That does exist.   And it doesn't take a college professor to tell me where to find it.  It's out there.  Police records, college written documentation on this subject, doctors, and all the rest.   The internet is full of this information to examine.   There is proof.   That is not just my opinion, but the findings of many thousands.

On the lubricants, sorry, I didn't specify, nor was it specified about the flavored, tasteless, or other wise, had I know this was what you wanted, I would gladly have pulled up a shopping list of them too.  That information, as you know is clearly all over the internet.  

My point on that was terribly missed, also by you apparently.    Think about it.  I was stating that back when I was 21, actually MOST of the people I grew up with, would not have imagined needing or purchasing a lubricant for sex, at least not at that age.    Now I know perfectly well, that it's a popular thing "today", my intention of the statement was that, in the beginning of a relationship, people didn't (didn't, meaning past tense) usually require these things.     The intention of the statement was that these lubricants, tasty or not, smelly or not, are not always good for the vaginal balance.   Your human sexuality class professor (lol) likely didn't teach you on that, or educate himself very well, because that is fact, and that is what I was stating.

If a young woman at the age of 21 is experiencing lack of natural lubrication, I would strongly suggest she see her doctor for the reason behind this.  I would certainly not entertain coming to this or any other board to gather information about something that is going to affect my body, taste or not.

And why is it that when anyone that differs in opinions about pornography with those on this particular board, rather than debating this openly and maturely, those people are "forced to swallow" the greater influence of the "opinions" relayed here, rather than being able to express themselves as you do?  Please do let me know, do I have to agree with you on everything, including lubricants?

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the relationship between adult male circumcision and sexual satisfaction and function in men, as observational studies on the effect of adult male circumcision on sexual satisfaction show conflicting results. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: We investigated self-reported sexual satisfaction and function among men enrolled in a randomized trial of male circumcision for human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) prevention conducted in Rakai, Uganda. In all, 4456 sexually experienced HIV-negative males aged 15-49 years were enrolled; 2210 were randomized to receive immediate circumcision (intervention arm) and 2246 to circumcision delayed for 24 months (control arm). Men were followed up at 6, 12 and 24 months, and information on sexual desire, satisfaction and erectile dysfunction was collected. These variables were compared between the study arms and over time within the study arms, using chi-square or Fisher's exact tests. The trial registration number is NCT00425984. RESULTS: There were no differences between the study arms at enrollment and problems with sexual satisfaction and function were reported by <2% of participants in both study arms at all time points. At 6 months, no difficulty with penetration was reported by 98.6% of circumcised men and 99.4% of controls (P = 0.02), and no pain on intercourse was reported by 99.4% circumcised and 98.8% of uncircumcised men (P = 0.05). There were no differences between the study arms in penetration or dyspareunia at later visits. Sexual satisfaction increased from 98.0% at enrollment to 99.9% at 2 years among the controls (P < 0.001), but there was no trend in satisfaction among circumcised men (enrollment 98.5%, 2 years 98.4%, P = 0.8). CONCLUSION: Adult male circumcision does not adversely affect sexual satisfaction or clinically significant function in men.

Well said yes, well said.

That's what I've been trying to say for several posts now on the subject. Every woman's body is different.

Even blood-related siblings have different bodies. My sister started her period at a later age than I did, and she's older than me. Doesn't mean there was anything wrong with her, that was just her body. No reason to go rushing to the doctor.

Lubricants do not effect hormones or vaginal health. They are meant to be harmless to the vaginal walls. Harmless to penile tissue as well. A lot of lubricants are made to be harmless to condoms as well. Lubricants are extrememly mild substances meant only for assistance in lubrication. That's all. In the case of an allergic reaction on the skin, which can occur, there are plenty of hypoallergenic and organic lubricants on the market. A girl came into the adult shop I work in, saying she'd had an allergic reaction to a lubricant, so we showed her some hypoallergenic stuff. One of my boyfriend's friends has very sensitive skin, so she and her man use organic lubricant, and it does just fine for her.

Lubricant is harmless. It doesn't create imbalances in the vagina or reproductive system.

Let me rephrase my comment, since it offended you.  

Sometimes you will see there are basically two types of people in this world.  There are those who follow the crowd, keep up with the "jones",  do and believe one day with the popular views of the world they live in and only do so while those trends are popular.  When things go bad, their choices may change to suit any given situation, but always always, what others are believing and doing in the moment becomes their belief system.  This is what , in my opinion is weak.   Weak to the point where it weakens even their relationships. 

I understand where you are going with this but in my opinion I think this is more towards the younger crowd. Like teen or pre-teen, where they are learning about themselves as well as things going on around them. Of course people would love to be in with the in crowd and be noticed and recognized, but as we grow older, we understand that being ourselves and having our own mind and our own way of doing things are better and more sufficient.  There are also those out there that like to live by facts and not necessarily living in a open minded inviorment. They are so into things so deeply in their minds that they think that if its not necessarily the way they would/should live, then they feel the need to try and correct them even though in the back of their mind they feel they are just stating their opinion. A good example: A fact that I actually keep hearing about is that younger women are getting their periods at a younger age, hense the reason why certain people; like myself, believe that sex ed should be taught at a younger age. However I will admit I dont feel comfortable about the situation at hand but its human nature and there is nothing we can do about it, except to make sure they are tryuely and fully informed on what is going on with their bodies and what they may expect to happen as time goes on.  I am not going to go off on a rampage and yell and carry on about how kids are having kids. Because in my opinion I feel that either they were not taught efficiently about birth control or even taught at all. Yes I understand there are a lot of things online and television but you really think just that alone is going to help?

 And yes it makes sense that their belief system may change if what they believed before turned out to be untrue, in my opinion I would think that would be normal. I dont believe however that they go the route that everyone else is telling them how to go. They ask for opinion, options, ideas, HELP for gosh sakes. Not necessarily for their belief system or have it be ramed down their throat. You have to give people a little more credit then that. Whatever path they deside to go is their decision. And if it turns out to be the right or wrong move they will find out on their own. Everything in life is a life experience, all you can do (and only if they ask for it) is help them and give them ideas and such. Not necessarily weak.Just because they dont fit in your lifestyle, or what you would probably call normal, or however you really and truly do think should not really give you the right to call anyone who doesnt agree with you weak. I think that a little shallow.

And when  you say this weakens relationship what exactly do you mean? Having your own opinion or point of view,etc. ruins your relationship? When it comes to relationships it takes 2 not 1. I am totally confused on where this come from.

So in closing with this issue: I believe that when you are talking about these types of people you are speaking a little narrow mindedly. And I dont think that its for people In this world but mostly in the US.  (But that is another topic all together.) If this is your opinion then that is fine. But the thing that stinks about the internet and typing, is that it is hard to really hard to read in between the lines and what you are saying. So instead of saying fact all the time; why not just say something like In my honest opinion or from what I see I think this would help a little better when it comes to posting on here and not getting in a p****ing contest.

 This, in my opinion, is how porn also weakens women specifically inside their relationships.   I mean lets face this, porn is designated to be more male oriented than female oriented.  Woman are always submissive to the demands of the male counter part, and so on.  Is this not true?  Yes it is, that is not opinion, it's fact.   But women, (today more so than ever before) are supporters of this because some have even been "brainwashed" into believing that this is better than having their b/f's or husbands literally cheat on them.    That to me is weak.  Very much so.   It is also saying that men are also weak, when promoting this inside relationships.  As if men can't or won't commit to "just them", that this is a necessity inside lives today because the world has convince some that they have to have porn in order to "keep" their relationships happy or content.    So who is saying who is weak.   Are, or is our society so weak in your opinion that they are now unable to be in relationships without something outside of themselves to keep the romance/sex life going for years to come?  

Ok this issue right here really frusterated me so I am going to try and take this part by part.

First let me state: I am a 27yr old woman married to a 28yr old man. We have been together since May99 Married since Aug. 02. No kids, one cat.

When it comes to the porn industry I do not believe that it is designated for men. In my opinion it can be for men AND women. Sometimes to even help a relationship when it comes to sex in general. Sometimes it can inhanse or even be a learning experience. New moves, new ideas, etc. And when you talk about porn are you just speaking by videos? Because there is a lot more to it then that. How about magazines? Would those be considered weak as well? How about the fact there is a thing called Playgirl that is made for women? And what are your views on sex toys? Vibrators?

And just for your information, as a married woman I have watched porn, I have gone to sex stores and .. oh my I have even been to a Gentlemans Club!! Im going to hell arent I? LMAO And it has nothing to do with being brainwashed as you so claim. (Which by the way really set me off.) I chose to do these things to be OPEN MINDED to things. I personally and strongly do not believe I am week but actually more strong then ever. One can not say certain things if they havent experienced them for themselves. And even if they have and still feel the way you do, I find it all to sad. Just out of curiosity are you married and if you are what is/are your husbands P.O.V.s on this? I would love to hear it from him and not from you because I know that you will sugar coat it all so it makes you look so called strong

My husband and Is relationship are just fine if not great if you must know. You have to realize that men are visual creatures. You cant tell me that you have NEVER looked at a picture of a guy and ever thought Man I wonder what he looks like naked Its called natural instinct. And as long as you dont do anything physically with this person, I really dont see the harm in it. Women have fantasies as well as men. And I will tell you one thing. If I am not around for whatever reason and he is in the mood, I would much rather him look at porn any day then actually having an affair because there is a huge difference between the two. And if you honestly think that he is fantacising about the girl he was looking at in the picture or video while you two are making love, I think there is a much larger issue(s) with your relationship then just the porn. Think about it!!  If he is doing this at nosium, meaning he can not go without a few hours every day looking at porn then I would consider that mayber there is a problem with the relationship and not so much the addiction. However I know there are some out there that claim that they have an addiction, but personally I dont believe that. An addiction can be fixed, but if a relationship is becoming the problem in either case seek some professional help or just talk to him instead of hiding.

Then you have those who resist, rebel and take a stand against what is popular,  the majority vote only stays the majority while things are good to them.   They stand on what is their belief system.  They don't allow others to convince them that their moral beliefs are incorrect or "outdated" or "close minded".   They believe as they do from the experience they themselves have, and they usually learned from them.   They are comfortable in resisting what others say is right for them.  Just as you are stating about me, isn't that what you would like everyone to do with you....agree with you, uphold your own standards of what you say is right?

This is a Forum where you tell of your experiences, opinions, POVs etc. Not to criticize. This is not the only time this has happened on a forums board. In my opinion when it comes to these things, you read the question, state your opinion, or your experience and see if anyone else has gone through the same thing you did. Or even check to see what other people have gone through. And because of their experiences or what they have done doesnt mean for anyone to criticize them because of what they have done. If you dont agree with it, then thats fine. But keep that sort of thing to yourself. Or let it out in another way. Dont let people feel so much less of self worth because of you calling them weak. Or when it comes to facts (when they are clearly not) state them, instead of saying its fact when its really an opinion. If its a fact give us some links if you are seriously trying to help out or have people understand, instead of making it sound like you are all strong and powerfull and we dont know what we are talking about and we are all wrong.

That is what it sounds like from what/how you type on here. Hense the reason why people are starting to really argue, fight on here. Which I am sure Dr. Phil would rather not have on here. ;-)

For you my words are condensending or wrong.  But when you speak your opinion, it is just that, an opinion and that makes it ok.   Either way, I had no intention of insulting anyone, although this board, from what I have read, didn't take me to appear here to begin that process.

Considering that a lot more then this person saying this I think you should just consider watching how you type things. The internet is a tricky thing. What you mean to say and how you type it can come out in many different ways and forms. I am sure we all dont mean to hurt or judge people on here but when it comes  down to it, we really have to watch. Thats all.