Topic : Pornography

Okay, Pass, seriously.

I'm not going to argue with you about anything anymore, it serves no purpose for either of us.

However, before I check out of conversation with you, here is my complete, honest, total opinion of you.

I believe that you have an irrational paranoia of anything intended for sexual use that wasn't created naturally by the human body. Especially fluids.

I believe that you have a unreasonale superiority complex over the others that you speak to about relationships and sexual information.

I believe that you have a problem dealing with the idea that people live different lives than you, and have different relationship and sexual experiences than you.

I have noticed, that some of your posts have toned down the patronizing, condescending tone they used to have when you first began posting, but your extreme feelings that you had when you first started posting are very obviously still there.

You keep saying "I didn't say something was wrong," however, you continue to push and push and push the idea of going to the doctor because "there could be a problem...." Obviously you do believe there is something wrong with me, otherwise you would not have been so palpably sarcastic in extremely reluctant to accept my personal usage of lubricants.

You said that my professor was unedjucated, you claim to know that a real doctor would want to wonder why I don't lube up as much as...as what? As you? What am I being compared to here? I'm being compared to you, since you have said many times "When I was 21 there was no need for lubricants..." Well, it doesn't matter if there was no need for it when you were 21, it doesn't matter what age you were when you didn't need it, doesn't matter what age you are now. Everyone's body is different, and just because I don't get as wet as you did when you were my age, does not mean that I need to go rushing to a doctor. I think that you are upset that I'm not.

I've said it over and over and over and over and over and over again. Others have also said it over and over as well. Everyone is different. Everyone's body is different. There is no set standard for vaginal lubrication.

I'm not going to try to talk to you anymore. Really, I'm not. But please, I beseech you...Step outside the bubble of your own existance and try to realize that your relationship (which by the way, you never actually stated how long you've been married. You said since you were 21, but you have never said how long ago that was) is not the standard of excellence for every couple in the world. That your sexual health and your body is not the standard of perfection for every girl that was ever born after you. Learn to deal with the idea that not everyone is going to take your word as infallable fact. You never did mention your sources to where you got these "Studies done by thousands" so I'm beginning to think that the only source you have came from you in your own sphere of reality.

And I'm sorry, forgive me, but I absolutely refuse, reeeeeefuuuuuse to believe that your husband has never, EVER, not once in his life looked at porn. I do not believe that for one second. He may not look at it now, since he is married to you, but you don't know what he did with his body and himself in terms of masturbation before he met you. I'm sure he's told you lots and lots of things about his past, and that's good. I have no doubts in my mind whatsoever about that. I'm sure he has shared many things with you, but I also will not believe that he has told you every single solitary aspect of his life and his masturbation history up to the point of meeting you. I know my boyfriend has not, shoot some of it he doesn't even remember, but that doesn't bother me. Really, it doesn't, and it shouldn't. I also do not believe that you have never, ever, ever in your life seen any porn either. Sorry, but I don't.

In conclusion to this post, yet again, everyone is different, and everyone's body is different.

The world don't moooove to the beat of just one drum

what may be right for you

may not be right for sooooome....

This is why men use porn, prime example of that for today's marriages or relationships.

If you don't desire faithfulness inside your marriage, why be in one?

There is no sacrifice inside an honest relationship, there is much reward.

Now I completely understand why the divorce rate is over 65 percent in today's world, it's precisely due to women with your mentality.  Not a man's fault what so ever!

Passionate and Angel,

I also posted this question on the sex and pregnancy boards, and this happened to be the one with the most response.  My original post asked people's personal takes and experiences with cut versus uncut.

It also brought up the theory that circumcision and subsequent numbing of the glans due to constant exposure may lead to habitual masturbation, pornography use and mild to serious sexual dysfunction, so it that regard, it does relate.  In my personal opinion, the baby should never be thrown out with the bath water, but I think it is an interesting POSSIBLE correlation.

Also, I am open minded and I tend to like to be fully informed before making irreversable decisions.

Angel, the majority of American parents just ASSUME their boys should be circumcised, and never recieve full disclosure about the pros or cons of the proceedure, and some live to regret it.

So yes, I will leave this alone.  Thanks to everyone for their feedback.

Take for instance, have you seen or known of a woman who is in an abusive, whether it be emotionally or verbally, abusive relationship?   If you have, then you would relate to the fact that with all that mess going on in her life she is much less likely to be able to be all she can be as a mother.  She might be able to pretend or even not reveal any of this to anyone else around her, however, it will in time effect her so emotionally that she is unable to be "all she can be" as a mother, wife or woman.    Just the mere depression she would suffer will eventually take it's toll on her physically and emotionally.  Making her less available to her children or her husband.

Ask any man, any of them, what their take is on having regular, healthy good relationship time and (yes sex), how this affects him outside the home as well.   You would understand that if you would try to see outside the "box" of your irrational reaction to my statements.   You are taking exactly what I am saying and measuring to an extreme.   I am definitely not saying to demean or degrade one's self in order to make the partner happy or to "keep the peace".    You are taking this there, not I.

You fail to realize that we give what we want to receive inside any relationship.   If you offer something to someone else that you would like to receive inside the relationship, you will receive it back, 100 percent.  If you are mean, naggy, nasty rude, disrespectful and only giving what you think that person "deserves" at any given time, then you are destined to fail inside any marriage.

You sexual self is not some "gift" only given when YOU deam that other person "worthy" of you....then I can see why you are extreme about this subject.  

Look at it this way for a sec. If you decide to have children, do you believe there is other areas in your life that you will "sacrifice" in order to be a good or better mother to your children?  OR do you believe that with children in your life you should have nothing to sacrifice?

Do you consider it a sacrifice to not get 8 hours of sleep at night because you have a sick child who is up all night?  Or is this something that is sometimes necessary in order to help your sick child?

In the same sense, when you get married, is it a "sacrifice" that you give up going out with your girlfriends on a Friday night because your husband wants to be with your instead?    Do you see it a sacrifice should your husband, for instance, lose his job temporarily and you have to work overtime to help make ends meet for a while?   Do you consider waking up on Sunday morning and for his birthday you cook him a wonderful breakfast a "sacrifice"?    Do you consider doing laundry, folding it or putting it away instead of watching soaps all day long and doing nothing for your family a "sacrifice"?

If you do, (and these are very simple examples of what you might believe are "sacrifices") then stay alone, don't get married, or have children, because life is full of sacrifice with the choices we make to involve or have relationships with other people.

My marriage, nor my belief system, considers my daily life of loving another person or being kind, respectful and yes sexually fulfilling to that person as "sacrifice".    That might be why I am treated with that same respect and  honor.  Not a "princess" or "queen" mentality at all....just basic honest to goodness relationship insight on what I do know works and does work for the life of my marriage.