Topic : Pornography

A good place to start would be to discuss this with your doctor.  But since you asked,  I will tell you about the experiences I've had with this.  I've been sexual with both uncircumcised and circumcised.  Now I am a woman and can only speak from that view.  I would NOT be with a man who is NOT circumcised if you paid me a million bucks!   I don't want to go into all the gross things about it, we can all imagine them without the gritty details.

 

First of all, I don't know where you got your information, but this has been going on since biblical days.   This area of a boys penis is done specifically at birth, (used to be on the 7th or 8th day after birth in bible days) because this area was considered not to be fully engulfed with nerve endings.  It was and is usually (even today) done so that the boy does not suffer.  Today a ring (plastic) is put on the end until healing and falls off with little incidence of pain or problems. 

 

This is for several reason, mainly sanitary reasons.  There is a number of infections for both male and females who are sexually involved with grown men.   There is a ton of bacteria that stays under the foreskin.   Also, giving your son the option later in life is doing him no favors at all.  As adults (and I do know this from my brother growing up) go through a thousand times more pain and suffering during healing than as a baby.   Also knowing how society is today, I can't imagine what the youth of today would put him through being in gym or football or boys locker room showers with other kids.   Kids are purely cruel and have no balance of understanding your  purpose in this as a parent.  They simply do not care.

 

Sexually, sorry, some of this stuff you wrote is myth.  My husband has never had any such problems being circumcized at all.   Sex is purely enjoyable to both of us.  And I've been sleeping with him for a ton of years.  Also, I can't even begin to get into oral sex on this, but take my word on it....without having to explain the details.  Please.

Let me rephrase my comment, since it offended you.  

 

Sometimes you will see there are basically two types of people in this world.  There are those who follow the crowd, keep up with the "jones",  do and believe one day with the popular views of the world they live in and only do so while those trends are popular.   When things go bad, their choices may change to suit any given situation, but always always, what others are believing and doing in the moment becomes their belief system.  This is what , in my opinion is weak.   Weak to the point where it weakens even their relationships.  This, in my opinion, is how porn also weakens women specifically inside their relationships.   I mean lets face this, porn is designated to be more male oriented than female oriented.  Woman are always submissive to the demands of the male counter part, and so on.  Is this not true?  Yes it is, that is not opinion, it's fact.   But women, (today more so than ever before) are supporters of this because some have even been "brainwashed" into believing that this is better than having their b/f's or husbands literally cheat on them.    That to me is weak.  Very much so.   It is also saying that men are also weak, when promoting this inside relationships.  As if men can't or won't commit to "just them", that this is a necessity inside lives today because the world has convince some that they have to have porn in order to "keep" their relationships happy or content.    So who is saying who is weak.   Are, or is our society so weak in your opinion that they are now unable to be in relationships without something outside of themselves to keep the romance/sex life going for years to come?  

 

 

Then you have those who resist, rebel and take a stand against what is popular,  the majority vote only stays the majority while things are good to them.   They stand on what is their belief system.  They don't allow others to convince them that their moral beliefs are incorrect or "outdated" or "close minded".   They believe as they do from the experience they themselves have, and they usually learned from them.   They are comfortable in resisting what others say is right for them.  Just as you are stating about me, isn't that what you would like everyone to do with you....agree with you, uphold your own standards of what you say is right?

 

For you my words are condensending or wrong.  But when you speak your opinion, it is just that, an opinion and that makes it ok.   Either way, I had no intention of insulting anyone, although this board, from what I have read, didn't take me to appear here to begin that process.

 

 

Thanks for ALL the feedback. I do want to get both sides. Yeah the practice of circumcision has been in practice for thousands of years, but that doesn't mean it's the smartest thing to do. I see the pros and cons. Some women prefer it and some don't. A lot of "bad" experiences could relate to personal hygiene. Some men and women say they've never had problems. Some of what I've read say men with fore-skin do not ask for oral as much, whether because they are considerate and self conscience or just more sensitive, so prefer intercourse?

I did talk with my doctor. You are wrong about the clamping of the skin and letting it die and fall off. My 23 year old nephew had his done that way as an infant, but this is what my doctor said:

"Circumcision is my least favorite part of my job. We do not give any anesthesia and most do not because it causes the penis to swell, so risk of disfiguring and complications increases. We strap them down and they start crying immediately because they do not like it. Most of the time we give them the sugar passy and comfort them.... Medicaid is going to stop paying for it soon, and I expect private insurance to stop after that. The American Association of Pediatrics is recommending that circumcisions stop." So they take forceps, pull the fore-skin off the glans, like you would pull a fingernail off a finger, (the foreskin does not detach and slide back until 5-10 years old) clamp off the skin, and cut it off with a scalpel without deadening it. Some babies have bled to death. I couldn't bear to watch, and I feel wrong putting a helpless child through that. They also say it affects the neural pathways for pain, so there is a study correlation between pain increase during vaccinations and being circumcised.

I agree with Turk. Some men, whether they admit it or not, resent not being given the choice. When natural boys realize that some boys are "cut" they react with horror that someone would do that.

These days like 60% of American babies are circumcised. With insurance stopping paying for it, I would only assume that number will go down.

That's what I would do.  If you are getting the opinion of one doctor, talk to several, or better yet study the findings yourself on this.  Who knows that doctor may have had a bad experience himself with either doing the procedure or something with in his own life as well.

 

My brother had the procedure at the age of 9 years old.  He was the only boy in our family of four kids.  I know what he went through and why they (my parents) waited on this.   Those were similar feelings that you are having as well.    My sister has 4 boys, all had this done, no complications what so ever and she examined this as well, especially with her last two boys because there was  developing contraversary over this then too. 

 

There is nothing like self educating on it.  What does your husband say?  Is he circumcized?  Does he have complications with sex or otherwise due to this?

 

Seriously, this has been talked about for many many years, all saying this would result in the numbers doing down.  Over the last several years, complications of NOT having this done have gained the spot light due to sexually transmitted deseases on the rise as well.    That is something else to think about, especially having a child in the society we live in today. 

 

Best of luck with your research.  I am sure either way you go will be because it will be to the best concerns for your own child.

It's amazing that some insurances would consider removing this procedure from covered medical expenses, and yet still cover the prescriptions for viagra, yes, even under welfare. 

 

A lot of  women can't get coverage for birth control either, and yet that same company will cover viagra for a man.   What is surprising is the numbers of people who pay the price of coverage through premiums, and should expect that their choices for their children would be covered.   Most on medicare/caid, don't have choices as to what is covered or not, unfortunately. 

 

It is not as if this is strictly a cosmedic procedure at all.   There is a ton of medical benefits from it as well.  Any and all medical procedures have precautions, dangers, no matter what they are.  Having the baby alone has it's risks, a ton of them.  But it doesn't stop women from having babies either.

 

two types of people in this world eh?  Black and white thinking seems to be a common trait with people that share in your views.  You talk of redfeathers and how she shares her opinion too, but she doesn't state her opinion as facts.  You try to act like you are the authority on everything, yet you give little support to your authoritative opinion.  Take this for example, "Woman are always submissive to the demands of the male counter part, and so on."  Is this not true?  Yes it is, that is not opinion, it's fact.  What meaks such a generalization about women and what they ALWAYS do.  Its like you're mind won't allow you to see passed your own narrow scope of reality.  You are already trying to push us into the black while you claim white.  IF we disagree with your opinion, then we are pro-porners.  No, I believe most of us are pro choice, many here have even voiced their opinions on the dangers and potential harm with porn, but I guess we are still pro porners because your mind can only think in black and white.  No, its not condescending at all that you talk down to people like you are the authority, but instead of support, often times you give support as to why you should have authority on the matter, like with redfeathers, you have experience over her, so you know better right.  You preach about what you consider immoralities because it makes you feel morally superior. 

 

You what I think is weak, the inability to change and adapt your thinking.  I think narrow-mindedness is weak.  So, you think stubborn-mindedness is a virtue.  So, when all those bigots were against de-segregation, they were the strong ones right?  They stood up for what they believed right?  They also wouldn't listen to anyone who would convinve them other-wise.  Or today's terrorists, yeah, lets praise them too for being closeminded fools blinded by their biases?  Yah, lets celebrate stupidity.

This opinin of yours doesn't suprise me at all.  Its all about what you think people should and shouldn't do right?  There is nothing wrong with a person who wants birth control, therefore birthcontrol is not used to treat a medical condition, same with penis foreskin.  Erectile dysfunction is a medical condition.  So, I'd say they have good solid reasons to cover a medical condition and not something that is just beneficial.

I am not saying at all in a down approach to anyone.  There are many facts that allow me to base my opinion as such.  I am not alone on that.  There is much proof, through studies and just looking around at the world we live in.  Porn has and will continue to do harm to families.   That is fact.

 

I do not expect you or anyone to believe as I do, nor do I have the power or authority to come into your homes and make you stop doing anything you want to do.   This is an open forum with various differing opinions.  I can say what I do believe based on my experiences, how is this wrong.   Is it your wish that I don't speak of this?  Or is your wish that I agree with you on everything....and what is that "fact" based on?  Are those not also your experiences.   You have stated that porn does nothing negative in your life, isn't that based on you solely and your experience with porn?   Does that mean that all others who have had negative experiences with it wrong?

 

I am very much into seeing the grey areas of life as well, however life is very often black or white.  Logical or not, emotional or not.   You leave many of the little tiny words out of what you read when you read my statements.  Words like if, most, not all, some and so on.   And what you get out these statements because of leaving out those little words, changes the meaning and intent entirely.    Just like the next statement of ranting on the whole circumcision thing.  I'll explain.

 

 

Please re-read my statement on that subject.  I said nothing about anything being wrong with a choice of taking birth control or not.  I think women should definitely have that choice over their lives.  I used that as an example of who twisted it is that this may not be covered by some insurance companies and yet the prescriptions for viagra are very often covered.    Can you not see that?

 

Also, yes erectile dysfunction if very real.   The sad fact is a LOT of these prescriptions are sold black market to very very young men who have no ED what so ever.  Although, all the factual writings on this could be incorrect.  Study them for yourself.   My comment was only the comparison of the insurance companies value of women vs. men.  (Also written about extensively).

 

Please read the intent of the comments, they are in no way judgemental towards anyone.

Porn has and will continue to do harm to families.   That is fact.

 

No, this is not fact.  Something isn't a fact because you call it one.  It's not even a fact when you have good reasons supporting your opinion, its still just an opinion.  And, I must say its a fine example of how your opinion exceeds the range of the norm.   Porn does not DO harm, its people that are doing harm within their relationships.  Its people doing harm.  It's like you anthromorphize porn so you can blame it for the problems this society has on sex.  You still have yet to rebut the claim that the problems with porn, is just a symptom to bigger problems within our society.  That's why we find it hard to believe you'd take up a front to fight the problem of pornography when there are far bigger fish to fry.  And, furthermore, if you haven't been hurt by it, why on why would you go to a dr phil website, just to post about pornography?  Could you answer that one for me?

 

I do not expect you or anyone to believe as I do, nor do I have the power or authority to come into your homes and make you stop doing anything you want to do.   This is an open forum with various differing opinions.  I can say what I do believe based on my experiences, how is this wrong.   Is it your wish that I don't speak of this?  Or is your wish that I agree with you on everything....and what is that "fact" based on?  Are those not also your experiences.   You have stated that porn does nothing negative in your life, isn't that based on you solely and your experience with porn?   Does that mean that all others who have had negative experiences with it wrong?

 

I can say a little effort in your wording to try not to generalize, but often times you must forget to put those tiny little words in there because look through your post, they aren't there most the time they need to be.  Its not that you voice your opinion, its how you do it.