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March 28, 2006, 3:23 am PST

Here's the thing Lovinglady.....

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 Here is the thing why spend so much energy being angry about porn, if it is not a part of your life? What propose does that serve? I mean I understand not liking porn, for whatever personal issues you have with it, but it seems so meaningless to be angry about it. The fact is that porn, will always exist. Like it or not that is a simple fact, and no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch it. It is something that some people enjoy and some people choose to watch.  

  

You and many others will always thing that porn is a "lazy" person's way of handling sex. No matter how many times you are corrected, you may never understand that you are not correct. However I don't waste my time being angry at you about it. It is just silly to be angry about something that makes no real impact on your life.  

  

I personally, love sex with my husband, but I don't believe that sex is the most scared thing 2 people can share. I don't put sex on that pedestal, never have. I have had great sex with my husband, but our connection is so much deeper then that. I have also had some of the most intimate conversations with my husband. Life is full of choices and each person has the right to make their own choices and have their own idea's based on what they believe. There is no reason for anyone to be angry about porn or anything else that 2 people choose to indulge in, that is just silly. 

  

Misfitt, 

  

I don't think that K.C. meant it as a personal attack. I think that she was just stating a concern for the fact that you seem to let so much of the outside world, upset you so much. I am very gald to hear that you are happy in your life, I just hope one day you learn to focus on all the great things you have been blessed with and not allow things like what is on T.V. bother you so much. Honestly, try not allowing yourself to be so upset or angered about things you can't control. Life is to short to spend so much of it angry. Just my opinion. 

  

Lovinglady 

Why spend so much time defending your husband's porn usage here if it's not a problem for you?  It seems the only thing that's happened inside your life Loving, is that you've come to terms with the "reasons" he's given you for his masturbating to porn.....and IF that's ok with you, then that's fine.  What I am not OK with is what this industry is successfully doing inside our society and the way that this is projected on those of us who do not want this inside our lives.   Through media and many other outlets...it seems that not only does porn portray women as sexual beasts with nothing better to do than to bend over every time there's a demand for sex.  That's how women are demeaned and degraded....seriously why do you defend it?  Why do you feel this extreme need to tell us all how much "in love" you are....?  How great you love sex with your husband?  When the only thing that comes to mind is the opposite for him?  The fact is, if sex were so fulfilling, so wonderful, so this and that...porn wouldn't be a "thing" you defend on his behave......the need to constantly talk about how much he loves you....even though porn "used to be a problem" for you....it's not anymore....and you have your own personal reasons for that "change"....and none of them has anything to do with how great "your" sex life is with him.... 

  

No one puts sex on a pedestal.....how is that done anyway?  Maybe by men who don't think twice about turning to porn to keep getting images of other women having sex outside of what their own memories of their relationships with their wives....I think these are the people putting "sex on a pedestal".....(that's about the most ignorant of comments I've seen lately...by the way)...... 

  

I've been married to my husband a long time....the intimate "conversations" and honesty are all there....if that were not the case...I wouldn't be married to him.  The "connection" must be there, because neither of us has to settle for anything less or turn to something outside of eachother whether it be for excitement or because we don't "feel up to having sex"..... 

  

You confuse this with a lot of your own issues.  No one is angry at YOU Lovinglady.  Although, I would encourage you to consider a few things concerning like maybe the child you are raising in this world...but that's your choice as well.  I would suggest you print off all the posts you type here and keep a nice neat journal so that someday you can share your thoughts with her about your feelings on porn and then explain to her your own need to defend something like this when her world is filled to the maximum with this and she someday strives to be like the rest......your posts should explain a lot on how this got to where it is. 

  

Luv~ 

 
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March 28, 2006, 3:34 am PST

Hi Joline.....so is this the question?

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its funny how me trying to save what I can and better myself has caused me to loose friends here on the board and that makes me wonder wether any of you ever were my friends ! isn't a true friend supposed to stay with you no matter what ??? 

funny how easily people turn don't you think ???? 

I have been away for a week or so....so if you've posted I didn't see it and that's why I didn't respond...if that is what you are talking about. 

  

I don't think anyone did anything to cause you to loose any friends here.   But to answer your question..... 

  

It's a little like the "unconditional love thing" posted about yesterday.  NO, True friendship does not mean a person "stays friends" with anyone no matter what.   True friendship, a lot like marriage, is about people who have the option to not always be there and take whatever comes.....but instead they choose to be inside the relationship because they care and love and forgive others and work through issues.  That does not mean that everyone we meet or become acquanted with is our friend....because we all have the option to opt out of relationships that are unhealthy or one sided.   

  

Just my opinion on that... 

  

Luv~   

 
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March 28, 2006, 3:47 am PST

You are both right.....Allinall....there are much bigger fish to fry....

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 an interview dealing with this new legislation about illegal immigrants and this woman said something that few even realize. This (immigration legislation) and many other things going are  simply distractions, smoke screens for what is really going on in the back ground. That peoples emotions are being played to distract them. That is very much a shortened version of what was said.

There is no way I'm going to say porn and these other things should be ignored. But what is actually going on that the prominence of our attention(s) are being focused away from is going to make a great many people wish that porn hadn't taken so much of their focus.

I won't expound on this further because I've tried to wedge it in before with little success. I just hope people will come to realize before they have to acknowledge porn was the least of the problems they should have been focusing on.

So why are you here?  On this board titled "Porn how has it affected your relationship".....now I could understand if this were titled "immigration and the lies"....then we could all voice our objections to this or that.  But that's not the board we are on. 

  

I was once told a very long time ago....that a child smoking a joint in the school bathroom is no big deal either.  And that it should not be made into some big deal.  It's a phase...something they grow out of later on.....just like I was also told once, that drinking and getting drunk all the time was also the "least of my worries"......Just like I was told once that checking out a few porn sites isn't so bad either...after all it's curiosity and "all men do it"..... 

  

I also used to be shocked at some of the sexually explicit material on 'regular' TV too.....but not anymore....now, it's just normal and everyday, so common that I find myself just glancing up to see it and not thinking twice about the 8 year boy gazing at the image I thought was just "normal" everyday stuff....you know the commercial for Shick Woman's razors....where she's shaving her leg and standing in a shower totally nude with only a fogged glass covering her body just enough......apparently the your grandson standing in my living room hadn't seen that one enough and it really grabbed his interest....OH yeah, and this was at about 7 A.M. while watching GMA....go figure...I guess I should have had the remote ready to flip it! 

  

Yep. There are many other problems in the world......I am thinking of a few bigger ones......like the ten year old just arrested and charged with sexual assault on a 6 year old on the school bus... 

  

But again, he's not my kid...so why should I give a damn about any of that. 

  

Luv~ 

 
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March 28, 2006, 3:56 am PST

why spend so much time

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 Here is the thing why spend so much energy being angry about porn, if it is not a part of your life? What propose does that serve? I mean I understand not liking porn, for whatever personal issues you have with it, but it seems so meaningless to be angry about it. The fact is that porn, will always exist. Like it or not that is a simple fact, and no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch it. It is something that some people enjoy and some people choose to watch.  

  

You and many others will always thing that porn is a "lazy" person's way of handling sex. No matter how many times you are corrected, you may never understand that you are not correct. However I don't waste my time being angry at you about it. It is just silly to be angry about something that makes no real impact on your life.  

  

I personally, love sex with my husband, but I don't believe that sex is the most scared thing 2 people can share. I don't put sex on that pedestal, never have. I have had great sex with my husband, but our connection is so much deeper then that. I have also had some of the most intimate conversations with my husband. Life is full of choices and each person has the right to make their own choices and have their own idea's based on what they believe. There is no reason for anyone to be angry about porn or anything else that 2 people choose to indulge in, that is just silly. 

  

Misfitt, 

  

I don't think that K.C. meant it as a personal attack. I think that she was just stating a concern for the fact that you seem to let so much of the outside world, upset you so much. I am very gald to hear that you are happy in your life, I just hope one day you learn to focus on all the great things you have been blessed with and not allow things like what is on T.V. bother you so much. Honestly, try not allowing yourself to be so upset or angered about things you can't control. Life is to short to spend so much of it angry. Just my opinion. 

  

Lovinglady 

well first the same thing could be asked of you. Why spend so much time here if porn is just fine in your relationship? 

  

But now to answer you question. Some of us know how porn effects not only our relationships but also how it effects society. I don't know if you knew Lilliacness when she posted here. She was working on a thesis (I think for her masters of something) and she did extensive research on porn and society. Why spend so much time being angry about it? Because when a 8 year old sits down at a computer........she shouldn't be exposed to seeing porn because she did a search on 'babysitter club.' Yeah yeah yeah.....I know parents and their job. But what about the parents that won't do their job or can't or have tried and failed. Do you realize that if left unchecked........porn will fail this society? It already is. Do you know how many college kids are addicted to it? How many h.s. kids? How many elementary schools kids? The numbers are outstanding. 

  

Maybe it is time people start demanding more and stop turning a blind eye to it all. Hell yes we all should be angry!!! just you saying "why be angry?" makes me angry. 

 
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March 28, 2006, 3:58 am PST

Exactly...

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“What we're talking about is more sexually explicit content; definitely, that's happened,” Bryant Paul says. “But that's not just a function of more pornography. It's largely a function of the expansion of the media industry. We are just inundated with media messages, so what message makers have to do is come up with messages that are likely to get attention. The thing that is likely to get attention is sex. . . .  

“You've seen this throughout history. Every time a new medium comes around, there's an explosion of sexual content. It happened with books, it happened with movies, it happened with the VCR. And now the Internet allows it to happen.”  

But the Internet is far from the only venue that does a thriving risque business. From the newsstands peek not just the usual randy suspects (Playboy, Hustler) but also general-interest “lad mags” such as Maxim, whose covers feature actresses and models in soft-core poses, surrounded by leering headline copy. Even august Harvard University and its neighbor across the Charles River, Boston University, have recently become home to student-run sex magazines. Video games such as “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas” were found to contain sexually explicit scenes, and an audience-building buzz surrounded nonporn movies such as “The Brown Bunny” and “9 Songs” when it was learned that their actors had real, not simulated, on-screen sex. Howard Stern brought his own obsession with porn to a daily radio audience of millions, and HBO's “Sex and the City” accustomed TV viewers to racy sexual adventures.  

The career of heiress Paris Hilton has prospered, not faltered, since a publicity whirlwind involving sex tapes, and actor Colin Farrell is embroiled in a lawsuit against a former girlfriend who allegedly is seeking to publicly distribute a sex video they made together. Such tapes, amateur porn of a sort, have so thoroughly permeated public consciousness that late-night TV host David Letterman recently did a hilarious “Top Ten Signs You're in a Bad Sex Video” (No. 6: “Plumber shows up to fix your leaky faucet ... and then leaves.”). When porn actress Jenna Jameson was on tour to promote her best-selling 2004 memoir, “How to Make Love Like a Porn Star,” Pamela Paul notes, “12-and 13-year-old girls went up to her and told her she was their role model.” Brazilian bikini waxes – a staple of contemporary porn – have grown increasingly popular.  

But it is perhaps the world of popular music where the lines between entertainment and soft-core porn seem to have been most thoroughly blurred. It is now routine for female performers to cater to male fantasies with sex-drenched songs and videos. In “Pornified,” Paul points out that hip-hop and rock stars such as Eminem, Kid Rock, Metallica and Bon Jovi have featured porn actors in their music videos. “Trying to keep up, Britney Spears, Lil' Kim, and Christina Aguilera emulate porn star moves in their videos and live concerts,” Paul writes.  

In the view of Cynthia Eller, author of “Am I a Woman? A Skeptic's Guide to Gender,” Madonna was “a pivotal figure” in this transformation of popular entertainment into something that often resembles soft-core porn. “I remember at the time being confused by this idea that acting like a porn star, acting out porn fantasies, was somehow empowering for women,” Eller says.  

She speculates that the current climate is partly “a backlash to feminism, a way of protecting male egos, and men insisting on retaining a power structure sexually if they can't retain it in areas of employment and parenting and so forth. It's a way to hang on to a male-dominated paradigm.”  

Eller also contends that the “conservative right, in its eagerness to keep sexuality forbidden, is really just stoking the fire of an appetite for porn, for naughtiness, for the whole lust for sexual transgression.” She maintains that if conservative forces were to “give up their repressive game where sex is concerned,” the mainstream manifestations of porn will lose their appeal to a lot of people.  

  

 WELL I WANTED TO ADD THAT I DOUBT PORN WOULD LOSE ITS APPEAL. 

The last time my other sister came around with their 3 grand kids......my brother in law was flipping channels and apparently got stuck when he found the commercial where a woman is dancing with sweat rolling off her body.....the words were something about her "glissening" as she got "hotter and hotter".....the commercial was for body spray for men.   The entire commercial is this woman thrusting her hips with close ups of her breasts and stomach as sweat rolls off her..... 

  

His granddaughter, my great neice.....who is 2 1/2 then stands up for "grand-pa" and starts to perform a similar dance lifting her shirt to match the woman on TV....the makes this attempt to thrust her hips while flipping up her hair and laughing for grandpa..... 

  

Did I say anything.....sure I did.....I said, "how wonderful Papa....you've got yourself a live one now don't you....how nice that she's got this to aspire to be like.....and you laughing at her and clapping sure makes her realize what approval is all about"!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  

He didn't have much to say....but was a little "pink in the cheeks".....I don't think even HE realized how this crap can stick with a child.   And that, Folks, is exactly what we have to look forward to for the next generation...................what is up for the next 10 years?????????? 

  

Luv~ 

 
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March 28, 2006, 4:00 am PST

perfect lovinglady

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That is the great thing about love, it gives a meaningless action value. I am not saying that women or men should just go around and randomly sleep with various people, but the act of sex is trivial and many people feel that way. I am married to a man that I love with everything in me and I do everything i can to satisfy him. I don't mean that in a degrading way, just simply that it is very important to me that he is satisfied. I know that in return he wants me to be satisfied, and honestly sex is not in the only thing involved in making us satisfied. sex with my husband is more then just the action, that is the point i am trying to make here, even if not so clearly. My love for him is so far beyond just sexual. When people talk about sex being sacred, as though it is almost untouchable, I think they are mislead to an extent. Sex in action is trivial, but the emotion involved is what makes sex more fulfilling. I count things that are sacred to me different then just a physical action. for me it is all the reason why I want to make love to my husband that are sacred. The way he can make me laugh and understand me. The way he puts his hand on the small of my back as we enter a room, like he is reminding me that he is always there beside me. Or when he and I can sit and talk for hours about thing like politics and neither of us get mad at one another even if we don't agree. Those are the things that I hold sacred in my marriage and the reason that I am not threatened by him using porn occasionally, because those are the parts of a marriage that porn can never replace. He is my best friend and someone i truly believe understands me and even my own insecurities. I have struggled with porn in the past, but I came understand that what I was afraid of was being replaced, and that simply can never happen. If my husband masturbates to porn, that is of no importance to me because I am no longer competing for him with porn.  

  

I understand that there are bad things in the porn industry and that there are things that are not good happening there, but I don't believe it is as wide spread as many believe it is. i have stated that opinion many times and I always get the same response, so eventually you simply have to let people believe what they will and make a choice for yourself what you believe and how you are willing and hopefully happy to live. I think that is the part that I have figured out on this board, it doesn't matter which side of this you are on, at some point you have to realize that no one can take your opinions from you, no matter how hard some have and will continue to try.  

  

I believe that it is more then sex that connects to people in a very inmate way. But that is my experience, maybe experience has left others to feel differently. I don't feel that sex is something that should be tossed around like candy canes at christmas, but I also realize that there are people out there that will do that and I have come to a point where I believe that as long I am living by what I believe is right, then it is not my job to make every one else agree with me.  

  

Lovinglady 

  

  

you said this "I don't feel that sex is something that should be tossed around like candy canes at christmas" 

  

now.......tell me what porn does??? 

 
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March 28, 2006, 4:07 am PST

who turned on you??

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its funny how me trying to save what I can and better myself has caused me to loose friends here on the board and that makes me wonder wether any of you ever were my friends ! isn't a true friend supposed to stay with you no matter what ??? 

funny how easily people turn don't you think ???? 

just because we don't agree.....doesn't mean we turned on you.
 
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March 28, 2006, 4:13 am PST

luv

I am quickly realizing why an education is so darn important.
 
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March 28, 2006, 4:35 am PST

I can't leave...

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One thing to hold on to, and hold on tight, is to yourself. I know you feel like you have lost your strenght, upbeat, and positive way of life, but you have not. She is still in there and it is really important that you try your utmost best to surround yourself around people that honor and love you right now or you will sink into the throes of depression. And for what??????? Because your guy likes to look at porn? Think about how ridiculous this is?????? I did the same thing you did, immediately felt angry, jealous, turned off, and questioned myself ad nauseum. 

  

The reason guys look at porn so much is because they have been told and conditioned to believe that it is normal and healthy to do so. They will swear up and down that it does not affect who they are or how they view women, especially the ones that are home waiting for them. They will tell you that they can go out with the guys and spend hours at a strip club checking out hot babes and then walk out as if it never happened. It seems to have no affect on them, or does it?

Vi. First. It is very important that you try to understand that guys are much more unfeeling about sex and its really not seen as an emotional outlet for closeness. Only those guys that are sensitive and in touch with their female sides, can they appreciate the love and beauty that comes from sex. Also, some women possess an uncanny ability to be able to have sex with zero attachment. We are all different and have different levels of these qualities, or lack, thereof. 

  

Porn has ruined many many marriages. Just like affairs, drinking, gambling and drugs, porn has the same potential. In your case, your husbands comments about wanting porn more then the marriage? My husband said the same thing. And you know what?????? I should have walked right there because it didn't only tell me he really likes porn, what it did tell me is that he has no care, none what so ever, about how I was feeling. Yours is doing the same thing. Don't let this emotional abuse change you. Let it make you stronger. Keep coming back. Kim 

Leaving is not an option...I would have to leave the country because I am here on a temporary residence visa and can't get a permanent one for a couple of more years. Even if that wasn't the case, I still would rather put up a fight than throw in the towel, but I just don't know where to begin. 

  

I don't actually have anything against porn, in the abstract. Like alcohol or guns, it's not the object that is the problem here, it is how people use them. I feel like he is having an affair...he spends all of his non-work, non-sleep time immersed in the computer (he also plays porn DVDs on it, wearing headphones so I won't hear, and switches to a finance website when he sees me coming) just like a man who is having an affair would do with his mistress. He doesn't want to have sex with me but I have seen him masturbating in the shower! I find myself blaming myself...what is wrong with me that he doesn't want me anymore? What has changed? We used to have a very active, very imaginative sex-life...I can remember being barely able to keep my eyes  open at work, he'd kept me up playing all night! That was only 4 years ago. yes, there was porn in his life then, too, but it wasn't a substitute for (or worse, preference over) a real live woman! 

  

I just wish I knew what to do, where to begin, what to say? He told me today he'd rather be married and he'd swear off the porn, but that's not good enough. He's said that before and gone back to it when he thought my guard was down, and it doesn't address the real problem...he doesn't think there's anything wrong with what he's doing, he discounts my feelings (he keeps rolling his eyes when I tell him how hurt and rejected I feel) and when asked ANYTHING he either answers "I don't know" or just clams up. And as long as he fails to be able to touch the pain this is causing me, I don't see a permanent change in the future. 

  

And I just don't know even where to go for help. 

  

Vi 

 
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March 28, 2006, 4:51 am PST

well atleast now I know

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I have been away for a week or so....so if you've posted I didn't see it and that's why I didn't respond...if that is what you are talking about. 

  

I don't think anyone did anything to cause you to loose any friends here.   But to answer your question..... 

  

It's a little like the "unconditional love thing" posted about yesterday.  NO, True friendship does not mean a person "stays friends" with anyone no matter what.   True friendship, a lot like marriage, is about people who have the option to not always be there and take whatever comes.....but instead they choose to be inside the relationship because they care and love and forgive others and work through issues.  That does not mean that everyone we meet or become acquanted with is our friend....because we all have the option to opt out of relationships that are unhealthy or one sided.   

  

Just my opinion on that... 

  

Luv   

that all this time you pretended to be my friend you were actualy not even remotly intrested in any of it ! or are you one of those people that are only friends friends with people who agree with you over  every  thing ! 

thanks for clearing that all up ! i geuss if I were to tell you that I left my hubby and now live as you would love me too then you'd all of a sudden be my friend ! don't  you think thats a little dishonesty from your side too ???? 

its been 5 weeks now since my hubby has watched and yes I know he will do it again and yes I have to live with it ! but atleast I don't turn my back on people for differing from me ! 

 
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